User talk:Scraggy4

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Again, welcome! Chris Roy 01:47, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi Scraggy4.

I notice you are working on BBC Sports Personality of the Year and related pages. Those are good topics, and we're glad your doing them. The articles should probably be called "BBC Sports Personality of the Year Lifetime Achievement Award" rather than "Lifetime Achievement Award" and such like, because other organisations make lifetime achievement awards. I thought you might like a couple of helpful hints.

If you have already created a page such as "Lifetime Achievement Award", did you know that you can move it to a new place, wusing the 'move this page' link on the left? This is the easy way of renaming an article. Also, if you have two pages which should have the same content you can make one a 'redirect' to another by giving if the content #REDIRECT [[Other Page]].

All the best, and good wikiing. DJ Clayworth 20:51, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure I follow your comment on User talk:Infrogmation about a page or link being "corrupted". They seem to function for me. If you are just observing that other people made albums of the name Everything Must Go than are currently mentioned on that article, you can easily fix that by adding such information to the article. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:17, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

lyrics

Please go back and remove any lyrics you may have posted. Lyrics are heavily copyrighted, and we cannot display entire songs in wikipedia. thanks! Kingturtle 05:31, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

many thanks turtle. I did try and find the "rule" for this but couldn't and presumed that because they actually tell us the lyrics when we hear the song it might be allowed. glad you let me know now rather than after another couple of hundred songs.Scraggy4 17:14, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Formatting wiki songs

Thanks for your message on my talk page about formatting for wiki songs and albums (re: You Love Us). Albums italicized; songs in quotes—duly noted. Thanks! --Diberri | Talk 05:54, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

Album covers

Thanks for putting up the Yellowcard album covers. I've avoided doing that because I'm still not sure whether fair use allows it or not (even after reading multiple discussions of it), but it sure makes the page look nice with those up there. If you'd like to, there are a few more albums by Yellowcard and Something Corporate that need album covers (and all the images are on the official sites), assuming the copyright issue doesn't apply to those either. — Jrdioko (Talk) 02:59, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

You will see from the page history of Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Needs cover that I have been trying to clear the complete list, in the hope that this could encourage others to use the page if it is seen as being regurlarly used. It may also possibly be helpful if the the page could be amended to include different information that users have not been able to find ie; producers, studios, reviews, etc. when they create pages for the music project. I am also slightly confused regarding the fairuse of images as the policy on wiki is extremely difficult to understand. I have scanned a lot of the album covers myself and used Photoshop to edit the image accordingly.Scraggy4 10:36, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Spinal muscular atrophy

It still needs considerable work, but there's an existing article (infantile spinal muscular atrophy) which might get you going in the right direction. I'm not aware of a link between SMA and Duchenne muscular dystrophy. SMA is characterized by the early death of motor neurons, whereas DMD is an early onset muscular dystrophy (muscles grow too large, then degenerate rapidly). Best wishes, Diberri | Talk 18:04, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

Album info

Yeah I've been meaning to comment, I've been a little in two minds about it, but I'm coming around to thinking it's a good idea. There's already a Needs infobox page (which has been completely forgotten about), so you wouldn't have to list pages without boxes in the table, so it shouldn't be too much work. I've been contemplating whether or not an "open tasks" style box would be worth it, to try and encourage people to bring existing pages up to spec, rather than ploughing on making new stubbish pages with albumboxes (which I'm guilty of myself).

As for formats, personally I'd prefer that particular section to basically mirror the color of the box i.e. Album, EP, Single, but perhaps we should add a separate "formats" section just below it. That would mean correcting a lot of albumboxes, though. hmmm, two minds again. I'll add something to the talk page in a minute. - Lee (talk) 20:33, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Warwick Parkway

I'm only up to D in the fine toothcomb exercise, but I'll make an exception for Warwick Parkway, the existence of which was hitherto unknown to me. I merely found an old ugly list and have been playing with it slightly obsessively ever since ... thanks for the headsup ... I guess I would have got there by about June. Ah. Whereabouts in the town is the station? It doesn't show on Multimap yet. I lied. It's there now. phew. --Tagishsimon

Incomplete infobox

I don't really understand what you're doing, but I moved it to Incomplete infobox, and didn't have any problems. RickK 01:48, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

It's now at Wikipedia:Wikiproject Albums/Incomplete infobox. Angela . 12:22, May 2, 2004 (UTC)

I've switched to working directly from list of albums now, so it may be better if you just restrict yourself to adding pages with albumboxes from now on. When I get to where you've got up to, I'll switch back and finish off. - Lee (talk) 19:01, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Album content

Good work on adding more albums. I have two comments:

By project convention, we do not put the full release date of the three albums when listing it in the chronology section in the infobox. Only the release year should be there. I noticed this when you added Home.
The day/month of the release date does not need to be mentioned in the opening paragraph of the article as it's already in the infobox. What is usually done is adding a phrase of the format "released in 2002 (see 2002 in music)".

RedWolf 17:00, May 9, 2004 (UTC)

Tip: it may be better to write full sentences to describe an album, which is more consistent with how many other articles are written here. Thanks for your effort, however :) Dysprosia 06:54, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Sorry. Die for the Government. Dysprosia 11:32, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Picture

Hello, I was checking the new pages and I discovered a picture you submitted by the name of Generation Terrorists.jpg. However, this picture is in the article namespace. Please use the upload feature for submitting pictures in the future.

Thanks for your contributions, your album pages look great! MGM 21:27, May 15, 2004 (UTC)

To include pictures, you can use the upload feature [[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload)]. THis is available through the menu on the left side of your screen. On this page you can also find how to use the code to resize the picture for inclusion on the album page. Hope that helps/

If you still have questions, don't hesitate to contact me. - MGM 07:44, May 16, 2004 (UTC)

Something wicked that way goes

Umm, you didn't really disambiguage Something Wicked this Way Comes with the invention of Something Wicked This Way Comes (album), since at the least you left The Enid's album of the same name on the original page. I gues there need to be a couple of album pages, disambiguated by the band names. But whch will get the redirect from Something Wicked This Way Comes (album)? It's a quandry. best wishes --Tagishsimon

Redirects

You can create redirects by opening the alternate page title and typing #REDIRECT [[foo]], where "foo" is the title where the article exists (see Wikipedia:Redirect). If there is currently no article under the correct title, a redirect to an article that does not exist should not be made (these "broken" redirects will likely be deleted). Does this answer your question? Let me know if you need more help. Maximus Rex 21:02, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Olympic Baseball

I can't figure how to edit the table, that's my problem. I wanted to add a space between the August 15 and August 16th events, and Aug 16 and 17, etc., but I can't figure out how to do it. RickK 22:53, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! RickK 23:05, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Taipei is a city. The Olympics, in their bending over backwards so as not to antagonize the Chinese, call the Taiwanese contingent "Chinese Taipei" -- they can't call them Republic of China or Taiwan, because both of those would anger China. But this is Wikipedia, to do anything other than to refer to the country by its name is POV. RickK 22:58, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)

Haile Gebrselassie

Yes, as it was written it seemed to say that he was the first to run under 13, and the first to run under 27. I have reworded the sentence to be a bit clearer. Dan Gardner 23:41, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Did you know

Hi. The "did you know" on the Main Page is chosen from new articles. There are further instructions at Template talk:Did you know. The actual changes are made to Template:Did you know, not to the Main Page directly. As the Anastasiya Kapachinskaya article is very new, you could add it to the template. Just follow the rules on the talk page. If you're not happy about adding your own article, try suggesting it on the talk page and whoever updates it next might add it. Angela . 23:14, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

"Drug cheats" category

I'd be interested in your response to my comments on Category talk:Drug cheats in athletics. --Robert Merkel 04:25, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Copy edit

Hi. Thanks for the note. Well, for starters, I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you, for a variety of reasons. I actually prefer 'housekeeping' activities (newpages patrol [mostly for "vanity" pages, unformatted pages, etc.], recent changes patrol [mostly for vandalism], editting links to avoid redirection messages and disambiguation pages, etc., formatting, making punctuation and capitalization consistent, creating new redirs and disamb pages, etc.) over contributing new articles (I believe I have somewhere between 5 and 6 thousand edits, but have only added a few dozen articles, and most of the ones I have added text to were just to save them from VfD)--if I wasn't tweaking your articles, I'd be tweaking someone else's, so no need to be sorry for 'creating work' for me. Also, your contributions are in much better shape than many I see--many new articles are a single, unformatted sentence, or maybe two--when I load a list of newpages, I end up editting about half of them for one reason or another. I think Wikipedia is a great example of synergy--most Wikipedians seem to land in one of three categories, based on their strengths and interests: people with info they want to contribute, people that want to make it look just so, and people that can find a way to word things better. You seem to be in the first category, I'm certainly in the second category, and User:Lukobe is an example of the third category--most of the text I have contributed relates to Seattle, Washington, or Western Washington, since that's where I grew up, and lived as an adult until 2000, and Lukkobe, who lives there now, almost always finds a way to improve my verbage. I think all three types of edits/editors are valuable to WP, and I think it is unrealistic to expect any individual to excel at all three (altho' Lukkobe is also pretty good at the first one, and isn't bad at the second, either--he mostly just doesn't do much to avoid redir messages, but that's a low priority for many Wikipedians). Also, some of it is subjective and open to interpretation and/or evolution--for example, I believe I left the colon after 'born' on several articles I editted, before I decided it was unnecessary and started removing them. Anyway, as for your specific question, I think the only comment I have is that, it is my understanding that WP has chosen to follow the Strunk and White standard of putting a comma after the last item in front of the 'and' or 'or' in a serial list (EG "red, white, and blue"), instead of the Associated Press standard of omitting it (EG "red, white and blue"). Bottom line, I think it's great that you are willing to contribute so many articles, and try not to worry too much about whether they fit my interpretation of Wikipedia style. Oh, I did have one question: I'm not sure I understand the distinction between "athletes" and "sportspeople" in the cats you create (EG Category:Bahamian athletes vs. Category:Bahamian sportspeople)--is "athletes" specific to (what I know as) track and field competitors (Athletics)? Niteowlneils 22:22, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Medal tables

I accept the usage of the medal rankings for gold medals as being the order for the official medal table. BUT, for specific events I plan to include results gold to 8th place, and i feel that we might get a better idea of what nations are good at that sport by having it go by order of how many top 8 performances that country has. However, if this is totally unacceptable, than I will concede. However, please let me know your decision soon or i will continue to keep on doing it. Earl Andrew 21:10, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ok, here's the deal. Show me an example of what you think the medal tables on each sport page should look like, and I will use that. It's best we have a standard for these things. I updated the diving medals, so we have one option (what I did for the shooting events) or the other option (what I did for the diving) and another option using the points method. At the end of the games we could add a 4th-8th place columns which would be interesting! Dividing up the sports might be a good idea, I think other people might be interested as well, there are just too many sports and events for just one person to do! Earl Andrew 21:58, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I think they should be on the sports page, creating more pages is not needed. (Maybe for the athletics, I see that getting bad). I reverted the shooting page, we should keep it until we can resolve the issue I think. Earl Andrew 22:12, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sorry about making an edit while the notice was up, I thought the notice only applied to the article, but then I realized I was wrong.

nice job

I like your templates for the oplympic sports' pages, really easy to use. --Obli 23:20, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Medals table

Sorry for being tardy on responding to your comments on the Olympic Medals edits. As you probably know by now, I didn't remove the comments or instructions. When you click the "edit this page" link - the comments are plainly visible. I simply followed WP format guidelines and used comment codes so that only those editing the article can see the editing instructions. I also included an additional link for those unfamiliar with editing tables. I apologize that I did not explain myself on the TALK page; I assumed by actions were self-evident. Davodd 10:44, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

I see your point very clearly. I have edited current event articles myself (although not on the scale of the Olympics). I suggest you edit the article the way you feel is best for its development. I may have jumped the gun by "commenting out" the edit instructions while the event it still in progress. Davodd 19:37, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

By the way - you are doing a superb job shepherding the 2004 Summer Olympics medal count article. Davodd 20:13, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC)

Ahem - Davodd - I've been carrying the majority of them work on the swimming pages ;-) Scraggy - I dont think that the flags are that excessive ; I think they brighten up a set of pages that really dont have that much colour on them. It doesn't really involve any more work because I use a small program I have written to convert the output from the BBC's webpages into text with the wiki-markup in it ; I am more than willing to share with with you if you would like a copy of it (along with anyone else who is updating Olympics 2004 pages) - I'll include a copy of the VB source code as well for those paranoid individuals like myself. -- Zaphod Beeblebrox 09:44, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Could you please take a look at 2000 Summer Olympics and specifically the Medal productivity table that has been added by Bobblewik. You may have a different opinion but I feel that this information is totally bogus and shouldn't be one the page. I have given the reasons why I think the data is bogus on Talk:2000 Summer Olympics as has User:Davodd. Bobblewik is insistent on retaining the data and has added similar data to 1996 Summer Olympics Mintguy (T) 22:50, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Category:English rowers

I moved this to category:British rowers since Grainger is Scots, and the team competes as Great Britain, not England. Dunc_Harris|☺ 13:22, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Judo player

I also considered renaming it to judoka but, as you said, it may be too unfamiliar a term - I used competitor as a compromise. But I really find "judo player" to be an incorrect term, even if it is used by some news media, we don't talk about a boxing player, a wrestling player or a karate player either. BTW, Google for "judo player": 2,660 hits; Google for "judoka": 136,000. --Elf-friend 23:27, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

nationality

I'am a little confused by certain nationalities such as people from Slovenia. In the past I categorised an athlete as Slovene but was left a message by someone saying they should be called Slovenian. Not a problem I just guessed I had made a mistake but I have just noticed that the same problem has arisen with Argentina where the preferred option seems to be Argentine not Argentinian. Does wiki have a standard list somewhere of what we are to call people so that the categories can follow the same standard as it seems a contradiction to choose Slovenian and then Argentine in Category:People by nationality or I am just being stupid???Scraggy4 00:51, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

See List of adjectival forms of place names, though be aware that the issue isn't always that simple. IIRC, Croat/Croatian aren't supposed to be interchangeable and the issue is perhaps bound up in Croat/ian nationalism... or something. Tuf-Kat 01:01, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Just a note about this last sentence — they can be interchangeable in normal writing, i.e. one can use "Croatian" as an adjective for the Croats, but the links to Croatian should be all disambiguated in order to indicate whether the country or the nationality. I have been doing this for a while now, though some careless anonymous users still persist in linking ambiguously... --Joy [shallot] 16:00, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The issue is usually ethnicity vs. citizenship. To use Tuf-Kat's example, a Croat (as a noun) is a person of Croatian ethnicity, regardless of his/her citizenship; a Croatian (as a noun) is a citizen of Croatia regardless of his/her ethnicity. I believe Slovene/Slovenian is exactly analogous. The matter gets muddled because for some countries/ethnicities the word for both is the same (e.g. German). Also, there are cases like Hungarian/Magyar where in English the first can mean citizenship or ethnicity, but the latter refers specifically to ethnicity. -- Jmabel 03:55, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

The "Slovenians" vs. "Slovenes" thing is not actually a decided standard -- there's some users who have an agenda to change _all_ instances of Slovenes to Slovenians because they think it's "archaic", but so far there has been little or no substantiation to this claim on the relevant Talk pages (AFAICT).

In any event, if you have a person from Slovenia, they are definitely Slovenian, and chances are that they're also Slovene (but do check before writing that). If you have a person who speaks the Slovene/Slovenian language but who is not from Slovenia, they're almost certainly ethnic Slovenes, but calling them ethnic Slovenians is IMHO a bit confusing. I think that the analogy with Croat/Croatian should be applied, but it's not a consensus. Who left you this message, anyway? --Joy [shallot] 15:56, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I moved the above from the village pump in case you hadn't seen the replies yet. Angela . 21:58, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Medal Tables Syntax

Hi Scraggy, Your (otherwise excellent) medal tables have been cropping up repeatedly on Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax because of the cell '''''Position''' with imbalanced quotes. I have been correcting these by removing two quotes from the left, as I don't see any point in italicising the word. If you have a template hidden somewhere, it would be great if you could tidy that. dramatic 20:19, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

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To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)

Unverified images

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I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the imagesand I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil|Peter O. (Talk, automation script)]] 23:15, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

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Unverified images

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P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.

Please tag an image of yours

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