User talk:Kingturtle/Archive1

Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump. Cheers! --maveric149

Hey, KT, With regard to your genealogy question, as far as I know no one is using wiki-software for genealogy. There's been some discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genealogy, (and a bit on my talk page) but no implementation. Yes, the wiki software is available for downloading, though unless you really WANT to be a pioneer, and the interactive ascpect is of particular importance, I would think other software might be more useful. Interested in Freud genealogy? Beatles genealogy? I have files on both<G>... -- Someone else 22:02 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)

Another answer to your question on Talk:Genealogy: for wiki software, try www.usemod.com -- it's fairly easy to set up, and the markup is the same as here. I know of no wikis on genealogy .... yet! -- Tarquin 00:53 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)

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I don't want to muck about too much on the Coalition_of_the_willing page, but "Sao Tome" and "Principe" is one nation called Sao Tome and Principe, not two. -- Someone else 05:25 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

fixed it. Kingturtle 07:30 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi. Could I ask in what way Liberace and Lichfield don't qualify for the list of people known by one name? I don't see any difference between either of them and, say, Houdini. Deb 21:20 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I've put my reasons for disagreeing on the article's talk page. Deb 17:02 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)

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Just to let you know, I moved "Who is who of the Taliban" to Taliban members (and I changed the linking pages). Anyway, keep up the good work on the Afghanistan-related pages (you've done an excellent job so far)! -- Notheruser 22:27 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)

Good change from dictator to president. I'm always making similar changes. It is good to see others also spot the problem. Some people unfortunately don't. STÓD/ÉÍRE 23:25 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)~

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I'd come across Burgin's name in various art books, but the reason I started that article on him is because I'm conducting a little personal mini-project to write articles on all the past Turner Prize nominees. I know very little about him and his work, however - if you can add anything then please do. Incidentally, what did he teach at UC? --Camembert

Funny how those things happen. It's like never having heard of a word or a person before, and all of a sudden, seeing it all over the place. Please review my The Miracle Worker page and upgrade as needed. -- Zoe

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There seems to be duplicate articles at P. T. Barnum and Phineas Taylor Barnum. You want to have a go at merging them? (Probably under P.T., that is how he is most often referred to, right?) Plus it has that nice picture! -- Someone else 04:52 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

Quick work! One trick is to use the #REDIRECT on the old page rather than See: (I've done it at the P.T. Barnum article, so you can look there if you have questions about the syntax. -- Someone else

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Note: conversation with KF moved to Talk:List of people known by one name

I must comment that I was a bit surprised by his reaction. It seemed to me that you had been quite careful in editing that particular page. But I'm saying this on your talk page rather than on the article talk page because I don't want to start up an argument. Deb 19:49 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

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Hey, I noticed you're checking some pages I just edited. Hope you liked what I did. Yours, Ken M, editor@corporatemofo.com

What is your login name? Kingturtle 04:43 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

Don't have one yet, but I'll create one when I get back to my home computer tomorrow (I see Wiki recognizes users via IP addresses, and I'm on my girlfriend's computer.) --KM

You must be 68.112.234.191? Keep up the wiki-work, and join the fun. Kingturtle 04:47 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

Yep! I like this. Especially creating entries about my own work. . . I'm such a damn egotist....

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Blessings on your local punk scene wiki, though I would like to encourage you to add info on the music scene of Santa Cruz to Wikipedia. While both Wikipedia and your project have divergent goals, Santa Cruz's music should be in both. Eventually a music of Santa Cruz, California would be great, but how about writing something at music of California for now? It would be unbalanced at first, but if you do it, let me know and I'll expound a bit on LA hair metal, San Francisco psychedelia, west coast rap and Long Beach punk, and maybe even native American music from the area. Tuf-Kat

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I've just seen your comments on Sibley-Ahlquist taxonomy. Whilst I wouldn't necessarily disagree, I think that there are two point. I think Tannin and I are trying to produce and outline structure for bird topics, working down from order and family level, and at this stage it's a bit early to get too bogged down on a single issue, important as it may be. Secondly, the DNA stuff can get too technical for a general encyclopedia. I've read the Sibley papers, and I'm struggling, even with a science background.

We are short on articles on North American birds-any interest in doing a couple?jimfbleak 08:50 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

I don't know that there is a template as such, but a look at eg Ostrich or great grey shrike will give you the idea-taxobox, image if available, links up to family (or down if strating from a group heading like shrikes.

Bits on distribution, food, nesting, migration, whatever is available. We have good coverage on European and Australian species, but not much on North America, although I've done a couple of introductory articles like New World warblers as a kick-off point. List of birds gives an idea of coverage at family level, but many of the families have few if any species accounts. I hope this helpsjimfbleak 18:40 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)

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Hiya, KT,
With regard to

I searched all over the place, but I could not find an appropriate place to put this. I have a request to block an IP. 4.18.224.162 has visited Wikipedia on two separate occassions and deleted information and posting graffiti. Kingturtle 01:51 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)

I think the place you are looking for is Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress. Usually people only get blocked if they're particularly persistent, I dunno if that's the case for 4.18.224.162 (http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=4.18.224.162) -- Someone else 01:59 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)

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LOL! -- Zoe

Oh, and 4.18.224.162 has been blocked -- Zoe

Hi Kingturtle. Excuse me butting in. I saw your question on Jimfbleak's talk page, and thought I'd drop by to say "yes, great". There are not many people working on the birds at present - mostly just Jim and me, though a few others have done bits here and there - and your help would be most welcome. Jim and I have started roughing out a few ideas at Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds but no template yet. If you have ideas for one, or even just a list of questions that a template should answer, go right ahead and add that stuff in. Welcome aboard! Tannin

Welcome aboard! There are some (400+) public domain bird images at [1] (http://images.fws.gov/default.cfm?CFID=1813329&CFTOKEN=63774106), the US fish and widlife service. I've used some, but there are plenty, including lots of ducks, that can still be uploaded.

Obviously it's up to you what birds you choose to do. Most North American non-passerine families , and some of the passerine families, have an entry at that level, (see list of birds, but the rest of the passerine families and virtually all the species accounts are very thin or non-existent, so you have lots of choice. jimfbleak 09:14 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

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I had a look at List of birds of Santa Cruz County, California. Although the capitalised names are correct, Wiki practice is only to capitalise the first word. I had the same argument, but gave in. I'll amend the list, and you will see that many of the articles exist under the Wiki namejimfbleak 15:56 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

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On a lighter note, I found it interesting to read your list. I've been to Point Pelee National Park, Ontario, Nova Scotia and Florida, and also seen several N Am species as vagrants to the UK, so I have a reasonable knowledge of eastern species, but some of you west coast birds I've not even heard of. jimfbleak 17:42 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

Kingturtle, have you considered applying for sysop status? You should. -- Zoe

• Yes, I have. Where do I inquire? Kingturtle 02:44 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)
  • On the mailing list, or maybe the Village Pump page if you don't want to subscribe to the mailing list. -- Zoe

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Think deleting the current raver redirect so we can just move the current ravers content and history in there in its place might be a good idea? -- John Owens 05:48 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)

Kingturtle, check out http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Primetime/Iraq030417LostViruses.html -- Zoe

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Thanks for the Afghanistan timeline entry. I've been looking for a blog or something covering Afghanistan developments. --The Cunctator

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Hello. Please note my editing of arms race. Complete sentences should be used; you wrote the first sentence as if it were supposed to be a dictionary definition instead. And the title phrase should be highlighted very early in the article, typically in the first line. 131.183.81.100 23:17 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)

thanks! but I didn't write that article. I merely moved it over from Arms Race. A user at 65.241.40.136 wrote it. Kingturtle 23:19 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)

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I'm adding Tanninboxes to families where I've written the article but no box, eg Gull, Skua New World vulture. Others I'll do as and when. As usual I won't stick to this, and I'll write more interesting bits like Golden oriole instead. I'll do nightjar within the next 24/48/72 hours. jimfbleak 05:42 Apr 19, 2003 (UTC)

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I've responded to your question on the same page it was put. apologies for the delay, but I didn't have "watch this" on itjimfbleak

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Your royal Turtleness,

Candy raver is much improved. The enthusiasm was there, but it wasn't very readable. Big congrats are in order. --Two halves 04:56 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)

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I am trying to sort out the existing articles swan, goose, duck and Anatidae. All of these have very incomplete lists of tribes and genera. Before I do much more on these, I would like views on the groups to see if we can reach a consensus.

Swan is probably OK Goose what do we do about the subfamily Tadorninae, some of which are called geese (Egyptian goose, Pygmy goose), and some ducks (Comb duck, Pink-eared duck)? Is Snow Goose in genus Chen (Sibley) or Anser (Wildfowl of the World, BOU).? To keep Anatidae manageable when the many other groups have been added, I?m tempted to just put Subfamilies and tribes and link from these. However, that still leaves Duck with a long list of genera, and the same problem as with goose in the case of the non-Anatinae ducks, like Comb duck, Pink-eared duck.

Isn?t it interesting that the ducks, a large, well-known and colourful group, appears not to have a single species account, whereas the Corvus crows have 14 (American crow is the latest addition). jimfbleak 05:58 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Kingturtle. Please take a look at Talk:Spinifex hopping mouse, and then cruise on over to the mailing list (http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-April/date.html) and let people know how much of a pain this capitalisaton nonsense is. Jim is away right now, so you and I will have to speak up for ourselves on this. -- Tannin 19:01 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

I wish I had banning authority. -- Zoe

You been asleep mate! Missed all the fun. Last weekend I spat the dummy out, threw my toys out of the pram, and took the matter to the mailing list. Thanks to the support of many contributors (Jim amongst them) we have hammered out a compromisse. Yes, use the correct capitalisation for article titles, links, and in text, but you must also make a redirect from the lower case form. I have to do some work now, but I'll fill you in on the details a little later. The wikiproject page has more. Tannin

OK, I took the afternoon off. :) Well, what's left of it - it's 3:30PM here so there is not much left of it anyway. We need to get together and thrash out some minor naming details at some stage, but the info now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds seems to cover the basics. Take a look, add anything you think it needs. Tannin 05:29 May 2, 2003 (UTC)

I was wrong. It is Sunday in the Park with George. -- Zoe

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I think the election maps look better centered. Kingturtle 05:15 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

See discussion at Talk:U.S. presidential election -- RobLa 05:51 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi, thanx for wikifying my page. I'm sorry, i think i modified your changes! (Eralos/Solare)

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Great work on the excision of naturally. -- mib 05:31 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Can either of you fill me in on the details of the campaign against "naturally"? Is the word incompatible with NPOV, or what? I am most curious. --Ryguasu 06:33 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

Although naturally can mean "without a doubt", it primarily means "in a natural manner." Plutonium can be naturally occurring. Obsidian is a type of naturally occurring glass. Cultural anthropologists assume that human beings are naturally social. But does Machiavelli's life fall naturally into three periods? Has the point of Brahms's work naturally been lost by critics? Are primitive recursive functions naturally defined subclass of the recursive functions? I did not remove all the naturallys, just the ones that weren't natural. Kingturtle 06:43 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi - just wanted to say "thanks" for making the cross-link and removing the request for the Iraq playing cards. I didn't even know it had been requested, I just noticed it was missing. Again, thanks. Dwheeler

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You write:
"if you have some free-time handy, I could use your chart-conversion abilities at Triple crown (baseball)."

Heh. It's good to feel wanted. Done. :-) Evercat 00:53 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

You're a genius. thanks! Kingturtle 00:56 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

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No, the blackboard idea was I think user:fonzy's. I discovered the episodes list just yesterday, after watching some of the first season episodes on DVD. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hi, you've done some good work on the birds.  :-) About mocumentary, though--maybe we should integrate that and the text at mockumentary in one place or the other. Koyaanis Qatsi

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I agree that you've found interesting stuff... but it can all be included without having an article so misleadingly entitled. Nothing personal<G>! I doubt that it'll be deleted anyway, I just thought I'd voice my opinion on it... -- Someone else 04:45 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

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The Madness of King George being renamed so it wouldn't be thought of as a sequel is not quite entirely true... you may enjoy reading Urban Legends evaluation of the story (http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/george.htm). Apparently the lack of "King" in the play's name was the relevant factor! -- Someone else 04:51 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Ugh. duped again. :) The Madness of Kingturtle

It's so sad when a good story is ruined by over-verification :) -- Someone else 05:08 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Sometimes I wonder if an urban legend itself is an urban legend, and maybe the truth is what we thought after all. Kingturtle 05:10 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

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Congratulations -- you are now a sysop, allowing you to do even more work for even less credit ;-). See Wikipedia:Administrators for details. --Eloquence 16:15 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

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Hello, Kingturtle. Pages are usually listed for one week on votes for deletion before any action is taken (unless they're newb tests with nothing more than "fsaaaaaaaaaaa" or similar junk). -- Notheruser 22:02 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

Rookie mistake :) Won't happen again :) Kingturtle 22:11 May 12, 2003 (UTC)

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I was just browsing the Recent Changes and saw your edit to Talk:Don't even think about it!, I followed the link, read your comment, read the article and discovered the origin of a scene in Family Guy where one of the characters meets Mean Joe Green. Without your comment I may never have discovered this, so thanks, you've made a bored, revising student very happy! -- Ams80

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Birla family is not an orphan. It's linked to from Birla Institute of Technology and Science. Dunno where you got the idea it's an orphan. -- prat

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With regard to "Where do we go to ban users? **** should be banned", the answer is sysops/administrators have no way of banning a NAMED user. Only a developer can do that. I think it's usually done through the mailing list. (Sysops can only ban IP addresses.) -- Someone else 00:44 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi Kingturtle. When you spot a copyright violation, instead of doing what you did on Dr. John, can you please replace it with the boilerplate copyright violation notice, and list it on VFD? That seems to be the convention these days, and it's less confusing to the newbies than just blanking or replacing with a link. -- Tim Starling 12:42 May 15, 2003 (UTC)

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I've de-orphanised Berkhamstead. As it happens, I had a need to find out about this castle some time ago, and what I discovered was that there's very little of it left and not much is known about it! Deb 20:04 15 May 2003 (UTC)

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Hard to say what's wrong with that image; "works on my end" as we used to say in tech support. <g> I'm tempted to blame the ongoing work on the server at this point; does the image at Farthing work OK? (That's another one I uploaded.) Hephaestos 00:12 16 May 2003 (UTC)

I think (think) that it is indeed to do with the new server - images uploaded to the new server aren't being shown if you access the old server (or the other way round, or something). It should be sorted out in a few days when your local DNS server learns where the new server is. In the meantime, http://larousse.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J._Tilden might work for you (if that doesn't work either, then I've got it all wrong, and you should ignore me). --Camembert

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As Neoism is something set out to defy explanation, I feel this entry demionstrates what Neoism is rather than explaining it. I am not a neoist nor an anti-neoist and see this as the easiest solution to presenting someting anti-thetical to definition. Harry Potter

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Do you see (Talk | Block) next to regular user names? I do - but it isn't only by new accounts. Weird. --mav

I first saw that with User:Michaelese, and also noticed that the edits he was making weren't showing up on his contributions page. That was around 7 or 8 hours ago, I'd guess. Don't know what's up with it yet. -- John Owens 06:11 16 May 2003 (UTC)

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No worries, Kingturtle. :) Wnissen 16:04 18 May 2003 (UTC)

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KT, Can't you "rollback" your own changes from your "My Contributions" page? If not, let me know and I'll do it, but I think there's less likely to be a mistake if you are able to do it yourself. Or are you worried about being accused of abusing sysop powers? I don't think "Rollback" really should worry you there, as it's equivalent to a series of edits/clicks that anyone can do. If it still worries you, I'll do it, just let me know. -- Someone else 23:01 17 May 2003 (UTC)

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Thanks for the kind remark on publicity stunt. The ψ1.75 was the spur. I suppose that makes me a professional writer. Tiles 23:14 17 May 2003 (UTC)

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Right, rollback doesn't work for new articles, even if the original creator has edited several times since then. And it doesn't do page moves, either. A page move doesn't actually affect the information stored in the article itself, it just gives it a new name, and creates a new article (redirect, of course) at the old name. That's why it keeps the page history and stuff. So the move itself won't be rolled back. -- John Owens 23:32 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Argh, looks like you just need to do moves manually then. Good to know. I suspect you can just do a move back without doing any deleting first, since the new page created will have no history. -- Someone else 23:57 17 May 2003 (UTC)

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Hello. Could you check out Wikipedia:Selected Articles on the Main Page and look at the history for the Main Page. Thanks. --mav

Newer entries go right after the link to the current day - not at the end of the sub-section. Also, in order to make sure there isn't a line-break for people with 800x600 screens, we all have to make sure that when we add entries to any sub-section that we also remove entries at the end of the subsection. That way the line is about as long as it was before. --mav 22:08 18 May 2003 (UTC)

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Hey, nice work on shifting Kewpie Doll image to the left edge. It works better there. --RobertKeller

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I noticed you reposted the deleted PROPOSED risk declaimer. Afterwards mav redeleted it. Trying to find a compromise I put a note that some people dispute it, made the person link to the disclaimer and the talk page if they are interested in using it. It seems reasonable to me that if someone thinks what they are posting is really DANGEROUS that they could use this disclaimer. Then, if someone does not use it they can't blame Wikipedia in general. Mav's argument that if it is not on any page then that page is not dangerous is bogus, IMHO as it clearly states that it is only for dangerous pages. It will be pretty obvious what these pages are, anyway it is a discretionary thing that the person writing the dangerous stuff has posted, it is they who need to worry about being sued, not Wikipedia in general (as I don't see how a wiki can be held responsible for the postings of its members if those postings are negligent, misleading or dangerous, it is the poster's problem). Anyway that is my opinion but remember Wikipedia does not give legal advice. &#8212 Alex756 04:36 21 May 2003 (UTC)

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I don't know how either, but I did it anyway. If the Corneille pic is now too small for your taste, just revert to your version and delete mine! <G> -- Someone else 01:12 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Looks good. the file size is much less too. how did you do it? Kingturtle 01:31 22 May 2003 (UTC)

Downloaded it, used a graphics program (GraphicConverter, but I imagine most programs have similar features (Photoshop, etc)) to "Scale" it to 50%, resaved it with the same name, then uploaded it with the same name. Seems like it worked though I was just guessing at the 50%- going by # of pixels wide. -- Someone else 02:11 22 May 2003 (UTC)

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Why is Aaron Burr listed on the Main Page? I see nothing in that article to indicate why any date in May is significant to Aaron Burr. Could you add this information to Aaron Burr so the reader is given context on why that article is listed on the Main Page? :) --mav

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Hey King of Turtles -- are you going to be adding any entries to the May 21 article? If not then I'm going to go ahead and do so. If you are already working on this or plan on doing so soon, then I'll just work on something else on my HUGE mental ToDo list. :) --mav 06:15 22 May 2003 (UTC)

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Dear King: For your answer regarding the Hagler-Antuofermo fiht controversy, go to Talk:Marvin Hagler.

Hope someday you substitute Don King as the top boxing king!

Thanks and God bless you!!

Sincerely yours, Antonio Sex Machine Martin

Remind me what my question was :) Kingturtle 06:18 23 May 2003 (UTC)

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Stop the...The reason given is this: continued disruptive behavior and pointed vandalism from the user is blocked, now! - No-Fx

Hi Kingturtle. For some reason I get the message that I am blocked by you when I try to edit Aracaju. Oddly enough, I'm not blocked anywhere else. Could you please make the title bold instead of linking it to itself? Thanks Danny

I deleted Hawker Hunter. I was going to write a fresh one from scratch anyway, so what matter? I'll do the new one in a day or three. (Unless I forget.) I seem to be deep into mammals again at present, with the odd bird for variety. Back to aircraft some other day. Cheers, Tannin

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OK, mostly I trust your edits, but why this redirection of Rites of Spring to the as-yet nonexistent The Rights of Spring? I'm pretty sure "Rites" is the right spelling here, so to speak. Unless there are punning names based on it, in which case they ought to be disambiguous notes at the bottom or top, instead of an entire redirect. -- John Owens 04:19 29 May 2003 (UTC)

• Because I'm dyslexic sometimes. I fixed it now. It redirects to The Rite of Spring. Sorry for the mix up Kingturtle 04:22 29 May 2003 (UTC)
  • Actions speak louder than words, of course, and by the time I got done typing that bit up and hit "refresh" on my "Recent changes", I saw you'd already fixed it (twice even!). It's OK, for my part, I didn't even think about plural vs. singular use. I think I actually would have thought plural, if I had considered it a moment. -- John Owens 04:25 29 May 2003 (UTC)

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How's that? -- Tim Starling 08:08 30 May 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, KT. Did you see my Australian Pelican one? I really like that one. Mind you, the way those two were sitting, a 6-year-old with his first Kodak Instamatic would have taken it the exact same way, and still not have changed his mind when he was Dean of the School of Photography at Harvard. (Sometimes, you just get lucky. (grin)) I'll look forward to seeing you slip back into harness on the bird entries next week: the New World birds are starting to get left behind a little, so someone better balance the Poms and Aussies up! Best -- Tony (Tannin)

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On the theory that articles are more likely to be expanded than created, I made a stub for Pocahontas. (I hope it is a correct theory....) But you should perhaps change your wikimoney offer so it's given to the person who expands the article! -- Someone else 05:36 31 May 2003 (UTC)

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hello Kingturtle

You moved my wikimoney offer to the very bottom of the page, for the reason it was upstaging the other offers. Do you think it was perhaps not very nice to move it even out of the field of current propositions, below the fullfilled requests ? Do you think it was such a wrong proposition it deserved to just disappear from other people eyes as well as yours ? ant

smith03 you block me? I have aol

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Hello. Was Ronald Graham listed on Votes for deletion before you deleted him? It's just that I didn't see him there... You are familiar with the deletion policy, aren't you? Just checking... -- Oliver P. 15:42 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

• Ronald Graham was not listed on Votes for deletion. The article was a mere link to a webpage that is "still under construction" and gives very little information about Graham. I am familiar with the deletion policy, and I deemed this article to fall under rule #6: "delete pages that simply will never become encyclopedia articles." Kingturtle 16:02 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. If the page consisted only of a link, then I would consider it to be fair game for immediate deletion, under the "no useful content" rule. Guideline no. 6 doesn't apply, though. As the guideline clarifies, it is talking about "completely idiosyncratic non-topics". Ronald Graham is a valid topic - the man is a real mathematician, and Graham's number is named after him, for example - and so there will be an article on him one day. In fact, I might make a start on it right now. :) -- Oliver P. 17:25 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Dear King: Hi! Since I tried but can not reach the List of famous cancer patients page cause you locked another person using my ICP or whatever, (this happens to me a lot), could you please add Edna Campbell, basketball player for the Sacramento Monarchs to the list?

Thank you amd God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio All Over Latin America Martin

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Dear King: Hii1 How are you? Im fine. Hey dont worry about it, I know how the dice rolls, I know it wasnt that you tried to block me. Probably some vandal has a IP or however it is you call that that is close to mine. Its happened to me about 15 times since I came in September..LOL!!!

The one user I got a problem with is Stan Shebs. Can you see what he put on my page? I see his point but to judge my personality because of an honest mistake I committed (Poor citizenship) I think he went too far.

I mean I know that as an encyclopedia we must have certain degree of seriousness if we are to be taken seriously and all that, and look in a good , presentable way to the public, but....he seems to take it too seriously....

Well amigo, thats all for now . Thank you and God bless you!!

Antonio Wiki-Warrior Martin

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Why are you blocking me again? This is the fifth time I've been blocked this week. What is this bullshit about continued vandallism? I have written nearly 50 articles and made major edits to about 50 more, none of which was vandalism. user:mydogategodshat

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Done the 30-30 club - however I had to guess which numbers were which (ie which was the runs and which the bases). You'd better check to see if I got it the wrong way round. Evercat 20:33 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Heh, and naturally I got it wrong. But I then checked it against Google, and I've fixed it now. Evercat 20:54 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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At 17:25 10 May 2003, you deleted tons of acronyms from List of acronyms under the description "separation of acronyms and initialisms". Why? LittleDan 20:28 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Founder Found"er, v. i. imp. & p. p. Foundered; p. pr. & vb. n. Foundering. OF. fondrer to fall in, cf. F. s'effondrer, fr. fond bottom, L. fundus. See Found to establish.

1. (Naut.) To become filled with water, and sink, as a ship.
2. To fall; to stumble and go lame, as a horse.

   For which his horse fear'e gan to turn, And leep aside, and foundrede as he leep.

   --Chaucer.

3. To fail; to miscarry. "All his tricks founder." --Shak.

-- John Owens 23:47 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Kingturtle, I added an image to catfish. It was the best I could find in the public domain, but it isn't really a catfish in the wild. On the other hand, it isn't a pile of undiscernable meat in a net. Hopefully it is enough to at least partly fill your request? --Josh