Talk:Genealogy
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Does the etymology belong here? It is pretty cryptic. Also, can we just copy text like that verbatim from Miriam Webster even though we give them credit? -Frecklefoot
I'm not sure if this is relevant to this article, but somewhere in the Wikipedia, there should be an explanation about what a "first cousin, twice removed" is and all that. I know someone explained it to me once, and it made sense at the time, but I can't even begin to remember what it was. Tokerboy
- That would be nice. Any suggestions on where to put it (article title, section in Genealogy)? -Frecklefoot
- I'm thinking in a section devoted to it in Family. I'll go add the basic familial relationships in English, and hopefully you/others can add more. Tokerboy
Hello all. i am new to the wikiworld. excuse me in advance if this question is not appropriate for this page. i do a great deal of my genealogy, and i realize that wiki would be the perfect environment to lay out my family tree. Do wiki-genealogy sites exist? Or is it possible to download wikisoftware to my server or harddrive so i can get cracking at laying it all out? - -kingturtle Kingturtle 21:53 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC)
- Someone has tried that; I looked at the site the other day; not successful yet. There are other ways of building a family tree cooperatively - try MyFamily.com Robin Patterson 20:05, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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I see it's a while since anyone discussed this article. I noticed little linking between it and others such as Family and Kinship; maybe they have developed independently?
Now that we have categories, there's a chance to link better; but is kinship a subcategory of genealogy or vice versa? - Robin Patterson 20:05, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would say that a Family is an element or unit of Kinship, and Genealogy is the study of Kinship, so they would each be subcategories of Kinship. GUllman 20:44, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I would agree with this relationship (Genealogy child of Kinship). I'd also suggest that the processes mentioned by Agendum below be placed as items under a Genealogy Category (for instance, Headstone Rubbing child of Genealogy). ~ Courtland (14 Jan 2005 by Ceyockey)
I'd like also to amplify the article to describe a little about the processes involved in genealogical research - and link it to family history (although that may merit a separate page) Agendum 00:03, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Darwin -- Wedgwood family
I have created what is in effect a genealogical entry for the members of this family. How do we categorise it? We could also do with a family tree and a little tidy if anyone's interested in this stuff, I'd like to get a second opinion on the article as a whole. Dunc_Harris|☺ 00:27, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just my two cents:
NEHGS - "The oldest genealogical society in the country", (mentioned twice in the text) should be "in the US". After all, this is en.wikipedia.org not us.wikipedia.org
This Darwin-Whatshisface entry should be removed. This is an encyclopidia, man!
The "Maximum Relationship" is probably nonsense. Parts of the human population have most probably split 100.000 years ago. Just take a look at this: http://www.mitomap.org/mitomap/WorldMigrations.pdf
- Agreed. The claim that everyone living as of (and before) the year 500 AD is a direct ancestor of everyone living today is simply ridiculous (consider failed lines or geographically isolated populations that split much longer ago) and puts the entire concept in an unfavorable light. At the very least the writer has misunderstood the implications of the result. -- Schnolle 19:26, 2004 Oct 16 (UTC)
- Mitochondria trace only female descent and thus predict a much older divergence than male+female descent trees. -- Xerxes 21:33, 2004 Oct 1 (UTC)
- So, what are you saying? That the youngest common ancestor is a man? I might be naive, but men and women tend to migrate simultaneously. And it seems the australian population had no contact to the asian continent for tens of thousands of years - thus the relationship of an aboriginee to me (european) would require going back at least that period of time - as I do not have australian ancestors in modern time.
- No, I mean for example, you have 4 grandparents, but you're only mitochondrially related to one of them: your mother's mother. For great-grandparents, it's 8-to-1. Generally, your total number of ancestors blows up exponentially with number of generations, but your number of mitochondrial ancestors is linear. Of course, there will be a lot of overlap in the total number of ancestors, so it's not precisely 2^n, but it's much much larger. That's why the most recent common ancestor is much more recent than the most recent mitochondrial ancestor. -- Xerxes 19:15, 2004 Oct 9 (UTC)
- The Pedigree collapse you refer to, is of course misinterpreted. The only thing you can actually read out of that, is the degree of inbreeding within a geogrphicall limited area. (Lile austrlia, or a seven sea island or whatever. Theoretchically, the chances to be related to a pharao increases the more fare back you go, but its never a must, only a possibilty. Mathematics can not be used like that. But to give an average picture about inbreeding factor, it gives an indication. Dan Koehl 03:58, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
And... just btw: Great Britain is part of Europe, or at least used to. It might be the US' 51st state if you look at Blair and recent history.
Modern Research
What do you think about addition of a line to the tail end of the "modern research" section reading something like ... "Furthermore, with the advent of large online databases whose content is continuously increasing through the efforts of many volunteers, the pursuit of basic genealogy research can be taken farther on a smaller budget than had been possible in the past." Would anyone know of some evidence backing this impression up, such as a survey of new and seasoned genealogy researchers? ~ Courtland (14 Jan 2005 by user Ceyockey)
Conversion of External Links to Wikipedia Articles
It would be great if many of the External Links were converted to internal wikilinks, pointing to articles about the referenced resources. Then many of the links could be dropped in favor of a Category. Courtland 06:50, 2005 Feb 14 (UTC)
In fact may of the external links seem to be advertising. They do not all have to be replaced - some can be deleted. --Henrygb 20:55, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Which particular ones are you referring to? Courtland 23:32, 2005 Mar 11 (UTC)
I did not see any external links that looked like advertising. To advertise would suggest a commercial pay site was promoted with promotional language. I added sites such as USGenWeb, GenealogyBuff.com and Obituary Central, which are well-known, pertinent, and relevent resources. Cribbswh 21:15, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Try looking at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Including "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files" and "Wikipedia is not a general knowledge base". But this article is becoming a how to do genealogy with a computer or on the internet, with link after link to computer programs and external sites. --Henrygb 23:57, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I concede. Just wanted to expand the article by pointing to additional resources for each state. However, I'll not press the issue further. Cribbswh 00:44, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Anyone have an opinion on the value of the commercial website http://www.familyforest.com? Someone has been adding links to that site in various articles. The links mostly state that someone famous is the "Half 21st cousin 3 times removed" of someone else famous. [1] (http://www.familyforest.com/Kerry_Bush_Cousins.html) I've removed most of them, except for the one on this page and the one that I moved to Albert II, Prince of Monaco. Should those go too? -Willmcw 05:55, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
- This article is favorite for spammers. One possible solution is to use the same "elimination" technique as in Game or Real estate (see source). It worked on these. Pavel Vozenilek 18:32, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- You are probably right. Plenty of articles have "external links" sections that get filled with commercial sites with little redeeming value to readers. In many cases, the small amount of useful information could be moved into an article on Wikipedia. -Willmcw 18:39, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)
Maximum relationship
I deleted content from this section. The deleted content made preposterous conclusions based on faulty logic. We can include such faulty logic if attributed, but not as original research. I also wonder if anybody here can tell me the purpose of this section of the article. I noticed a discussion on this matter months ago, but I failed to pay attention to what was being said. Sorry. If it's about Most Recent Common Ancestor, that is a horse of a different color than Maximum Possible Relationship Distance. Do we need two sections? Tom Haws 22:52, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)
Pedigree Only?
Is there a reason why "genealogy," in the first paragraph, is limited to finding pedigrees? Certainly most LDS research is of this nature, but there are a lot of people who start with a known person and work forward, finding all his/her descendants. And some of us have probably had to work both directions at the same time occasionally.
Commonwealth War Graves Commission Website
New to the wiki. Saw the link for the above website was wrong. This is the correct one: http://www.cwgc.org/cwgcinternet/search.aspx