User talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive 5

On Hesse

Thanks for reverting, fixing, linking to other people with Hesse name. I just saw the article on #enrc.wikipedia and threw in a disambig real quick. Glad to see other people are watching for the silly stuff I accidentally do sometimes. Cheers! CryptoDerk 09:04, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)

The problem wasn't your edit, the problem was the anonymous user before who moved the article by copy-and-paste, thus breaking the history - and of course the naming scheme which says that we use the english names when it has them. As 90% of the link to Hesse mean the state, and those who mean one of the persons should use the full name of the person (I just fixed some of the Otto Hesse links) the current position of the article is clearly preferred. andy

Right, but I got in the middle of it all and just further complicated it. Once again, sorry :) CryptoDerk 09:11, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)

April fool

Main page is on Vfd. I don't see anything wrong with Santa. -- ryerson

On a map for East Falkland

Hello Andy, in the Blank Map tracings from copyrighted maps? section of the Village Pump you kindly offered to draw a map from Panmap data for part of the Falklands Islands. I have shown 2 small examples on User:Wikibob/Maps of the coastlines I need for the Falklands article. All I need is just the coastline, maybe two or three times larger than shown. Geographical location of the island is 51.5 degress South and 59 degrees West. -Wikibob | Talk 19:50, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)

See Image:Falkland island detail.png, that should be big enough for do whatever you need. I also linked it to your Map subpage. andy 21:15, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Wow, is that a detailed map! It is extremely close to the OS map I have too, only larger. Very useful and I will make excerpts to add to the Falkland's articles. Thanks. -Wikibob | Talk 23:53, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)

Horizontal directional drilling

I see you're and admin, and seem to be online. This article can be deleted by an admin without going thru VfD, right? Niteowlneils 13:45, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, right, done. As a non-admin, you can mark such articles with a {{msg:delete}}, then they cannot escape the new pages watch. andy 14:04, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Deleted Nonsense Area

Thank you! That's perfect! Very funny!

timl 14:41, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Chinese Provinces

As you can see on the Tibet Autonomous Region page, the highlighted map of the TAR was painted out of Sichuan and painted in to the TAR. Could you make a better one for this region? --Dagestan

I guess I did not upload it earlier because it already had a map showing the location - but I uploaded it to the german wp, see de:Bild:China provinzen xizang.png. Feel free to grab it there, or I will do it later myself. andy 13:47, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

City template?

Hi Andy, I am relieved to see that we are coming to an end with our districts. I wonder if we should design a common template for the cities and municipalities as well. Some cities have the template of the German wikipedia (Schweinfurt), some have this locator map (Kiel), and several others are just stubs without any information. What do you think about setting up a template which can be adopted for every city article? -- Baldhur 12:38, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes, all district have an article already, we just have to convert the last few to the template. And of course fill those listed as "in progess" - most notably adding the coat of arms. It take quite long to get to this state, but we both had our other projects and topics we worked on, there was your move of focus to the german wp, and so on. As for the cities: I don't like the german template that much, it puts quite a lot of relatively irrelevant data into the table (especially the Gemeindekennzahl, the telephone and postal codes IMHO also don't need to be in a encyclopedia), or put things into the table which are worth some full text around it (like the city subdivisions which can fit perfectly into a history section). And most ugly IMHO is to put the coat of arms next to the locator map - it makes the table way to wide, with a lower screen resolution the first text paragraph does not have enough width left. IIRC that was one of the reasons why for the districts the coat of arms became a section of the text - another reason is of course to have the description and the image of the coat of arms close together.

I also don't think it makes much sense to adopt a template with an infobox for cities in only one country, then we'd better aim for a common city template used for all cities world-wide. The other administrative subdivisions are unique to one country, so some design differences between an article on a german district or on a province of Thailand don't strike as much as design difference between two cities. IMHO instead of the strict template like it is used on de: a guideline of topics which should be present in a good article on a city is what is needed - the german template gives that guideline only as a side-effect of the strict sectioning structure, every section present in the template means a good city article should have that section.

I am not sure if I will spend much time on articles about german cities however, given that I have so many other topics where there are still big holes which need attention as well - and by the policy of "donating the most precious knowledge" those should have priority on cities where I would mostly collect information from other web sources. Which of course doesn't mean I won't fix an ugly stub of a german city if I come across one. andy 12:44, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Are we really done? Tell me if I am wrong but every article about a district seems to be converted to the template. Of course there is still some improvement to be done but it is good to know that this rather monotonous work is finished. I think it is worth an announcement.

As for your objections to a template, I stand corrected and think that you are perfectly right. (However, I never planned to adopt the template of the German pedia since I do not like it either.) I collected some thoughts on User:Baldhur/German cities and I would like to hear your comments. And as my time is mainly dedicated to the German pedia, I won't spend too much time on these city articles either. But slow progress is progress as well, see our districts project. -- Baldhur 16:40, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Now it's more finished - I didn't complete the district Verden before, the city list as well as the coat of arms description were missing. Now it's only the coat of arms drawing which is left out. And yes, we should do an announcement, at least on the Goings On. As you were the one who initiated the project I leave that honor to you. I took a quick look at that city template thoughts earlier, but will do more thorough later and then add my comments as well, right now I am busy sorting some new material for the subdivisions of Thailand... andy 20:50, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I already made that announcement. Just follow the link above. -- Baldhur 20:56, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Germans

I've for long (a year, actually) been itched by the way Wikipedia-links are done with often sloppy distinctions between nationality, citizenship and ethnicity (with regard to persons) and also between nations and countries. This is particularly obvious in the case of people or entities that are denoted as German. A link to the Federal Republic of Germany is often outright unhistorical and wrong, but this has until now been the most usual.

Therefore I'm considering an article on Germans, which I've started at User:Ruhrjung/Germans. I would wish to avoid lots of edit wars. In particular, I would not wish to see the current disputes over German-Polish matters automatically extend also to this article, why I kindly ask you for comments now, in advance, in order to try to find wordings acceptable to as many as possible of concerned wikipedians.

I look forward to your comments at User talk:Ruhrjung/Germans.
--Ruhrjung 23:31, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup listing

I just thought I'd drop you a quick note to be polite, regarding your listing of Special:Contributions/81.79.239.213 on Cleanup. Since it was just a few edits from a new user, none of which are the top edit, it seemed like nothing needed doing. This kind of thing should really be on Vandalism in Progress, but even that warns against listing isolated incidents which are probably just newbie tests. And for edits that you're just generally not sure about, there's also the RC patrol, which looking again would have probably been the best place for some of these if they weren't reverted already. - IMSoP 13:12, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

That user did some new entries which were however quickly deleted. It was a border case, I wasn't sure if his entries are really vandalism, rant, POV or nonsense. But in retrospect I think RC patrol would have been the better place. andy 15:13, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for advise

Thanks you for your advice about how to use picture.

Rama

Thanks for the reversal. I actually rewrote that section a while ago in an effort to balance a very biased viewpoint. I think it is quite NPOV, and expresses varicolored nature of the god and his influence on different members of society.--LordSuryaofShropshire 14:08, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC)

944 Hidalgo

I recently edited 944 Hidalgo: I don't think Miguel Hidalgo y Castilla encountered any German astronomers. The eclipse was Sept 10 1923 in Mexico, and the German astronomers observing it simply named the asteroid after Hidalgo (a Mexican hero) to thank their Mexican hosts for their hospitality.

Can you check the German version of this article? Curps

Yes, you're right, the German version is same wrong as the english one was before. I will fix it later today. Maybe you should try to join forces with the german user de:Benutzer:Alkuin, who is the author of most of the german asteroid articles - I just added the interwiki links. IMHO the asteroid articles here should have more about the discovery and naming, as for most the orbital parameters or shape are rather boring. andy 07:54, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't read German. I put the German article through an automated translator, so I suspected it was wrong like the English, but you can never trust a machine translation. I'm concentrating on biographies of various asteroid discoverers, rather than articles about the asteroids themselves. But I do try to check for German articles and create interwiki links between the two language pages on the same subject. Curps

de:Hidalgo (Asteroid) is fixed now, and I also added the missing interwiki link for Miguel Hidalgo. I recently added nearly all the missing interwiki links for the asteroids - the spanish wikipedia has quite a lot (but very short) asteroid articles, and in the german one most were just recently. It's funny that nearly at the same time when someone on de: starts intense work on asteroids, you start to do the same on en:. andy 11:50, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Better late than Never

Guten tag Andy; On the subject of redirects, a while back you put a comment about homeless articles on the redirect talk page. A lot of similar entries were created by Rambot handling of U.S. census CDP districts. I'm very slowly cleaning these up as I come across them, and thanks for your concern. For an example of what I'm talking aboutt see Houlton, Maine and the What links here data. You might also want to check out Census-designated place and its talk page. Thanks for your contributions, Lou I 18:04, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

It's good that finally someone adopts this open issue - I didn't continue to fix those pages due to lack of feedback, and not knowing well enough what entry is about what (what are the differences between CDP, town, village, township). So I just de-orphaned a few, mostly when I stumbled upon one clearly missing and needed, but never in a really systematic way. The first ones I did with a mini-disambiguation page, later by guessing which should be main entry and then creating a redirect and a see also at the bottom of the article. The way you did it with Houlton is better, as it gives the explanation why there are two entries - the fact I would have to guess from the census data. If you need my help in this task I will try to help, but I also have enough other things I want to do... andy

Maps

Thanks for your remarks on Maps on Wikipedia. Please help me to create an entrance page at a better place. Can we make sub-pages there? Gangulf 15:04, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Answered on user's talk page

Primary Research detector

Andy - could you zip over to talk:color blindness and tell me if my Primary Research Detector is functioning properly? *grins* - UtherSRG

Romania rv

Could I ask why you reverted my edits of inserting the MediaWiki messages in the Romania article? 203.109.249.137 13:58, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Because the excessive use of these navigation bars simply looks extremely ugly. Anything above two bars is nonsense IMHO, especially for such obscure organizations like the Latin Union. Romania is probably member of 100 international organizations, and we can find many more topics which could be encapsulated into a navigation bar. This case was shortly mentioned on the Village Pump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump#MediaWiki_Msg_-_how_to_run_in-line) as well, maybe it's worth to discuss this with more people to find a policy. andy 14:23, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Joschka Fischer manianc

I think this situation requires a range block of 213.23.*.*. --Wik 19:34, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

I worry as well, this guy is totally going haywire. I hesitate do block a big range of arcor dialup IPs... andy 19:35, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

What happened to your user page? I can't seem to find it anywhere! Did it get moved and then inadvertently speedy deleted? I found Cantus's without problem. -- V V 20:56, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry, I saved it in a save place :-) I will move it back once this vandal has cooled down... andy 20:56, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

Bangkokstatistics

Hello Andy, sorry for not reacting earlier. Yes I am interested in the statistics. Let me set up a temp emailaddress so it will not interfere with my regular mail. About the nr of Bangkok inhabitants. My feeling is that there are less people registered that life in BKK than there actually are. It is quite difficult to register in BKK especially for provincials as it would mean their kids could go to BKK schools. That is why they make it so difficult. Estimates are that the BKK population is 30% (low side) to 100% higher than the official number of people registered here. Waerth 13:30, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

You don't need a special email for that, I uploaded it on my website - [1] (http://hoerstemeier.com/files/TH%20Province.xls). I added several comments inside the file where I had problems with the data, so if you can add anything to make that compilation better I'd be happy for sure. Maybe that one we can do by email, so I don't need to archive my talk that often... andy 11:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

I am amazed at the work you have done. I have found similar data for Cambodia and in English! So no need for translation. See here: Cambodia national data resource (http://www.moc.gov.kh/national_data_resource/ContextN.html). So what is next all amphoe's on wikipedia??? We can do this one together! Than I finally get some other edits on en wiki than just +nl :) Waerth 14:01, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, we can do Amphoe articles, however I'm not sure if we can get enough stuff to make them more than plain stubs giving name, area and population. Most information to find on the web are just touristical info, and that belongs more to wikitravel than here - I already had that problem with the provinces. And for example the cambodian provinces still are at that stub level, and probably will stay so for quite some time unless we adopt them... Maybe we should first do the main cities (especially the Mueang). And there are still enough important thai kings missing or way too short - that was your favourite topic anyway, wasn't it :-) Or maybe first the current issues of Thailand mentioned here? It's sometimes hard to decide where to start with so many open tasks. andy 18:07, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

About the things mentioned on Talk Thailand, I already wrote on the southern troubles and the Pattani sultanate in Dutch. I am also trying to keep the Bangkok gouverneur elections up to date. The Cambodian province have already been done in Dutch by myself (look at ot more info than the en wiki!) , one of these days I'll copy the info to a disk and translate it in English at home (the internetcafe is growing way to expensive :(( ) Yeah there is so much to choose from and .... and I just started the African days on the Dutch wiki in order to get some more articles (mainly translations, little new research) on Africa and some longer ones done. Since I started it, I have to contribute part of my time to that! About Kings, I am still searching the internet copying and pasting and gathering at my home pc for sorting out, I did the Lan Xang kings on the Dutch wiki in the same way. It took 4 months to finish that. About the amount of info in the provinces ..... well, I think we got quite some info already, and there is nothing against mentioning tourist sites, as long as ou focus on the history etc aspects of it. I still feel in favour of doing the Amphoe articles. That way it is easier if you write other articles about Thailand to get a reference of where somthing is, but I do not want to do it alone! And I suggest making 3 templates, one in english, one in Dutch and one in German, so that we only have to copy and paste the names and figures in! We can do that province by province I think. And oh yeah, I became a moderator on the Dutch wiki today, so there goes some other time I normally had .... Waerth 08:53, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Of course I did see before that you did some of those topics on nl:, but as I don't speak dutch I can only guess the content by the similarities of dutch with german, so it's a bit hard for me translate those articles. And don't get me wrong on the Amphoe project - I don't want to discourage you, I just worry it might be too ambitious at the moment. For the german districts it did take more than a year to create all 300 articles by two authors, and many of the districts have webpages which could be used as good sources.

I would suggest to wait with the template till the release of the next MediaWiki version - IIRC that version will contain the possiblity to create templates with variables, so we don't need to create a infobox in every article, but just use the common template and just put the variable content into the article itself. But I guess the template wouldn't be much different from the one for the provinces, maybe just exchanging the ISO code with the Amphoe code used by the DOPA, and use a more localized map. And maybe the ranks by area, population or population density don't make that much sense with the 900 Amphoe. andy 11:51, 21 May 2004 (UTC)

I love being ambitious! Sometimes a bit to, but still ...... . Anyway, I just got a data entry job from a German friend of mine, 2.600 addresses of German businesses. I will see how long that will take! So I probably will not be on the wiki to much in the coming days ..... Waerth 08:17, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Troll picture

I love that troll picture! I'm going to pinch it for my talk page next time trolls are annoying me. :) Angela . 22:15, May 13, 2004 (UTC)

Have fun with it. Obviously I was inspired by your "no troll" notice on your talk page, but didn't like the troll picture you used - so I photographed my own troll. Luckily my wife didn't convince me to trow away that "ugly thing" :-) andy 11:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

IP-block

Hi Andy, yes, thanks, it all works again. Have I already asked you whether you would be interested in the learning project I started? Please check my page and let me know. Get-back-world-respect 13:39, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Possible Massive Copyvio

I have just spend 15 min copy vio-ing all the current additions by this user User:Calexico and I left a message on his talk page but I suspect that everyone of adds his adds (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&limit=50&offset=50&hideminor=0&target=+Calexico) under something plc are copyvio to [www.bloomberg.com]. I did some cursory examination and this appears to be the case. Is there a way to deal with this save copy vio-ing every page? Burgundavia 09:32, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

I only know the hard way - add the warning in every page (maybe you can shortcut and avoid the actual source URL, but just write it came from bloomberg.com), and add them to the copyvio listing. There you can also shortcut a bit by list them all in one comma separated list and also skip the actual URL again, but it's nearly the same amount of work. It's a pity a probably well-meaning user can create so much work just because he didn't read (or understand) the legal mumble-jumble below the edit window. AFAIK there is no speedy deletion allowed (which an admin like me could do) even for absolutely clear cases of copyright violations. So I can only thank you for the work you are investing in this case. andy 09:47, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

I will do the hard leg work in this case. I left a note on his talk page and I will leave another addition to that once I have finished this messy business. Thanks for the quick response. Burgundavia 09:49, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

Well, after some to-ing and fro-ing I have found the cause of the problem. I have a friend who writes descriptions of companies as his job, and he started sending them to me after I told him about this project and how little financial information there was on here. He doesn't have time to contribute himself, but as they were his own work, I thought nothing of it...now it all seems clear that his work is not owned by him, but is the copyright of his company Bloomberg L.P.. I should have done more checking about this, and want to apologise again for the time User:Burgundavia spent cleaning up after me. It WON't happen again... Calexico (Talk) 13:42, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Phascoloarctidae

Andy, I know that normally spelling errors are kept as redirs. However, this one is very uncommon: try googling for it! It got only mistakenly created (by me) because somebody else had mistyped the name, and the link showed up red. It really makes no sense to keep it, also and especially since it isn't linked from anywhere within Wikipedia. And as a dbl redir, it is still useless. So, please, could you delete it now? Lupo 07:55, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

But as long as that redirect does not reside at a place where a normal article can pop up sometime in the future (like it's the name of a totally different taxonomic group) it does absolutely no harm, and almost noone will ever notice it anyway, except if they check the "what links here" link. But if you really want it gone - Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion is the official way to go, not speedy deletion. andy 08:01, 28 May 2004 (UTC)

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