User talk:Tomos

Thanks for your concern. I have just sent email to Jason Richie (he serves as an admin. of the mailman at bomis, as I understand) explaining what I learned about the problem (mostly from other, more knowledgeable wikipedians in Japanese 'pedia). So there's a possibility that Jason might be working on it, and solve it - though I have no idea how tough this problem is.

And in general, I am not knowledgeable enough to be confident of my translation of what others have told me in Japanese. If unclear, please let me know. I will talk back to them for more info.

The problem

There are two problems of similar nature. One is that some archived messages don't display right. The other is that subject lines in the index page (as well as the page for each individual message) don't display right. The way things corrupt are different for the main body and subject. So I assume they are different problems. But I'm not sure. In either case, what I write here is about the corruption of the body of messages.

There are four major coding system for japanese characters. UTF-8, EUC, Shift-JIS, and JIS. JIS is also known as ISO-2022-JP or RFC 1468.

Some email messages are encoded in JIS, and they always turn bad. Others are okay.

The reason is suspected of that some entities like double quote (") are converted into & quot; (without spaces in between). This kind of thing happens with & gt; & lt; & amp;

Suggested solutions

It is said that if those conversions are not made, the messages will display okay in the archive.

In a diferent context, another person said that the beginnings and endings of "Esc sequence" should be detected. I think he meant that detection is needed to avoid those conversions, but I'm not sure.

Alternatively, it is said, a process like the following can be incerted in an appropriate place as a solution:

converting the whole message into another Japanese coding,
convert those entities like double quote into whatever,
convert everything back to ISO-2022-JP.

Regarding PNG stuff, I guess I can send you the screenshot of the troubled messages in the archive in PNG. But I am not sure how I can get the picture of how the message should look like.

Tomos 05:05 May 8, 2003 (UTC)

Excellent explanation, it will help me a lot.

Could you please show me a specific example from the wikipedia mailing list.

Screenshots of both a bad example on wikipedia's list, and the same text but corrected (i will need this so that I know I have corrected the problem in the end). so i can compare how your browser renders it with mine ( i use mozilla 1.3 )

and if you want to learn Python_programming_language would you liket to assist me in making a test case to reproduce the error?

please reply here only

user_talk:hfastedge

update

I found the address of the japanese maintainer: tkikuchi--at--is.kochi-u.ac.jp from : http://mm.tkikuchi.net/

Could you tell him about your page here http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tomos so that we can all resolve this issue

Could you email one of the lists with the fact that you think 2.1 is a good option? user_talk:hfastedge

Yes, done. [1] (http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2003-May/010111.html) Tomos

Re: Jp WP.
I replied on User talk:Menchi. --Menchi 23:25 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I replied on there as well. Tomos 18:08 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Text duplication

Hi,

there seems to be a problem with the new features that causes text duplication in certain circumstances. I'm trying to figure out what it is. Your recent edit to the Village pump caused such text duplication. Could you describe what you did:

Edit a section, or edit the whole page?
If you edited a section, did you use right click editing or the [edit] link?
Did you get an edit conflict?

—Eloquence 01:51, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Please teach the link method from Japanese to English to Araisyohei 08:44, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

こんにちは。僕に教わるまでもなく既に日本語、英語両方の利用者ページからリンクを張られているようですね。もし他にもわからないことなどありましたら遠慮なく行って下さい。^^) 一応英語版の駐在員ということにもなっていますし。Tomos 22:47, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Tank you なんちゃって　Araisyohei 13:04, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

こんにちは。日本(Japan)の都道府県章の件なんですが、英語版ではどのようになっているのですか？Araisyohei 05:25, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Warranty disclaimers

Tomos, thanks for your interest in warranty disclaimers under the GFDL that I have developed at Wikipedia:Copyrights and Warranty Disclaimers (proposal). Yes, I drafted the proposal hoping it would be discussed, but it has not been vetted yet on the mailing list discussions. It was also meant to be used in conjunction with: Wikipedia:Submission Standards (proposal). This developed out of the proposal to change the edit page boilerplate: Wikipedia:Annotated edit page announcement (proposal). I am going to post these links on the general Wikipedia discussion list and see what kind of discussion develops (as well as on the new Wikilegal-l list).

There is certainly the right to add warranty disclaimers under the GFDL. Do you have any standardized disclaimers such as the ones here on the English Wikipedia in Japanese yet? The ones that I have seen used include: Wikipedia:Content disclaimer, Wikipedia:general disclaimer, Wikipedia:risk disclaimer, Wikipedia:legal advice and Wikipedia:Wikipedia medicine standards. If you check where they are linked to you will see how they are being used and who has used them. Some have suggested that the risk disclaimer and general disclaimer are too strong (I also wrote these as first drafts and they have not been edited much). There does not seem to be any clear consensus on which one warranty disclaimer should be adopted as a general policy. The only thing is that according the GFDL it should be posted near the reference to the GFDL (which is why I have changed the edit page link to Wikipedia:Copyrights and Warranty Disclaimers from Wikipedia:Copyrights as this is more compliant terminology with the GFDL). As far as attribution under the GFDL, go ahead and translate any of these meta pages that I have drafted. I promise you I will not accuse you of violating the GFDL if you forget to mention my name in the summary box when moving it across Wikipedia name spaces (a good way to comply to the letter of the law, btw). — Alex756 00:25, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind answer, Alex. And no, Japanese wikipedia do not have any of those disclaimers yet, though I think it is nice to have them.

If I remember correct, you mentioned that GFDL ver 1.2 permits to have disclaimers. Does that mean Japanese wikipedia should first upgrade the license to ver 1.2?

I am also curious about the implication of the disclaimer on the fair use and inline linking discussions. Well, since I am a bit in a hurry, I would talk about it later. Maybe on the mailinglist.

Again, thank you for your kind answer, (and permission :-). Tomos 05:25, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The standard license notice states that any later version applies, so probably 1.2. all ready applies on the Japanese Wikipedia. Besides adding the disclaimer thing and only requiring the five major contributors there aren't that many differences between the two versions, they are actually mostly clarifications. — Alex756 02:41, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

If you like, I can block you temporarily, so you can see what it's like. If the idea appeals, please respond on my talk page. -- Cyan 05:38, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Tell me when you want to be blocked and when you want to be unblocked. I am usually online from 16:00 to 04:00 UTC. Cheers, Cyan 08:07, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I'm not I understand what you're saying. Was the original version a copyvio? It doesn't look like [2] (http://www.nasulgc.org/publications/Land_Grant/land.htm) now and the page history goes back over two years! Was it just one anon IP who put it in? If so, the page can just be reverted to the last good edit. I don't think two years of work can be deleted or am I missing something? Angela 00:02, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention, Angela. The first paragraph still looks like a use of the external web page to me, and I am not sure if copyvio in history (from the very first edition, in this case) should be kept.. But I don't think I understand deletion policy well. So as long as you understand the possible violation and think that editing is better than deletion, I don't object. Tomos 09:56, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think in this case, it would be better to edit than delete it considering the number of edits it has had over the last two years, but I am going to list on Possible copyright infringements anyway to see what other people think. Angela 18:04, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. :) Tomos 20:18, 11 Nov 2003 (UTC)

japanese interlang fiddle on hu:

Quote from my talk page:

Hello. I'm from Japanese Wikipedia. I saw your message at talk:Main_Page (well, Japanese equivalent of that) [3] (http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=%E3%83%8E%E3%83%BC%E3%83%88:%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8&diff=177419&oldid=176863). As a responce to your message, some have already created a page ja:Wikipedia:Contact_us_for_non-japanese-speakers. Please feel free to inform us of your problems in detail.

If communicating to him is a problem, I can think of a following:

You would tell us a message to the IP user.
We translate it on japanese wikipedia.
You would block the user, with the message "kochira wo goran kudasai: (+URL)" meaning "please take a look at this."
For the URL part, you can point to the page on Japanese Wikipedia where the message to the user is shown (in Japanese), and where the user can possibly reply.

Or you may have a better idea. I am even not sure about the nature and scope of the problem. (From the few edits I checked, it seems that the IP user was working only on interwiki linking.)

Regards, Tomos 08:29, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply.

Problem with blocking is that he's using dynamically allocated addresses, so I should block the whole provider (32768 addresses if I recall correctly). It would take a little long to do that. :-) But the idea is good, I try to ask around possibility to do something like that.

The problem isn't serious but still a bit annoying. If there's some progress I might contact you again about that translation.

Thanks. --grin 16:59, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Well, I am not sure how you can 2^15 addresses... but let us know if there's anything we can do. Hope things will become better. :) Tomos 20:48, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Press Release

I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release? -- user:zanimum

Thanks for the invitation. And yes, I did contribute a bit. But I'm more active at japanese Wikipedia - indeed, I have sent notices/ press releases to several major Japanese publications. As a result, one online IT news outlet covered Wikipedia, a book publisher inquiry, and a feature in TV show (though I'm not sure if the last one is in any way related to the press release). Well, that's all so far. It seems like we should learn some secrets from German Wikipedians! Tomos 04:41, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hello Tomos. I wanted to thank you for your trust on the m:Steward matter :-) It meant a lot to me :-) (I tried to edit on ja:, but the edit link is invisible to me :-)) SweetLittleFluffyThing 20:00, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You are very welcome. It was a good chance to express my appreciation. :-) Tomos 20:52, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC)

My response

I'm not sure if this is the best place to reach you, since I know you're also active elsewhere. But I just wanted to let you know that I responded to your inquiry at User:Michael Snow/Candidate statement and discussion. I hope I have managed to answer your question. --Michael Snow 21:56, 7 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I would respond at your page again. :)Tomos 03:50, 8 May 2004 (UTC)

I replied on my page :-) Fantasy 08:14, 14 May 2004 (UTC)

Seventeen Year Locust

Hi Tomos. Regarding your request on Wikipedia:Requested pictures: There is no page yet for a Seventeen year locust to put the picture on. Are you writing a new article about this topic? If there is an article I could contact a photographer on this site [4] (http://www.dpchallenge.com/profile.php?USER_ID=8367#) that has a good photo here [5] (http://www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=36483), and ask her for permission. Let me know. -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:53, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Actually, there is a page Magicicada linked from Cicada, referred to as the so-called "seventeen-year locust". Would this be the beetle you mean? The US department of Forest and Agriculture has a drawing here [6] (http://www.na.fs.fed.us/spfo/pubs/howtos/ht_walnut/mites.htm), which is public domain as stated here [7] (http://www.fs.fed.us/privacy.shtml) -- Chris 73 | Talk 06:10, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Sadly enough, I am no expert on this topic, and I personally wanted to learn more about it (as well as to make sure Wikipedia gets good assortment of photos on this subject). But while I'm occupied with other stuff, User:Lupo added a lot of information and a huge photo. I should have placed another request somewhere for the expansion of the article. If you could add more contents, I would be even happier as a reader :-) Tomos 22:57, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

I've made my response to your new question at User:Michael Snow/Candidate statement and discussion. --Michael Snow 17:59, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. I've replied at User talk:Angela/Questions#Licensing issues. I hope I've answered it ok but do let me know if there's anything you would like me to clarify. Angela . 10:51, May 26, 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, that was very interesting information. I have posted another reply, including a question that perhaps you can address. --Michael Snow 17:56, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia forks/mirrors

Hi Tomos, thanks for the note about WP forks & mirrors. I wasn't thinking about that when I asked about commercial publication of WP, but you're right, that does count in some way. Thanks for pointing that out. Regards & happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 01:43, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for droping the note :-) happy editing to you, too. Tomos 03:41, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Journal/periodical/feed summaries, academics

Hi Tomos, are there journals you read regularly? You might be interested in this project: m:Wikisummaries. I think I will begin somewhere on en:, perhaps in my user space... +sj + 23:58, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Picasso's paintings

The paintings I uploaded are all from before 1923 and as I understand it stuff from before 1923 should be in public domain, but there might be other copyright laws in Japan though. Fuelbottle | Talk 13:06, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I replied to your talk page. Tomos 05:49, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Yes perhaps changing to US-PD would be a good idea. Ï can see if I get time to change them and I don't mind if you do. Fuelbottle | Talk 20:34, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

blocking a range of IP-s

hi, ty 4 answering my quastion in the village pump. of corse i know, i can block his IP and we dont have a problem of to few admins (we have about 20 out of which usually 1 or 2 are active in any given hour). the problem is we block him and he returns with a differnt IP. how can we block an open proxy or a range of IP-s?
Gilgamesh he 10:19, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If you need to block a range of IP, here is howmeta:Range blocks.

If you need to block open proxies, there are two tools that I know. One is User:Proxy blocker. I believe you can ask User:Tim Starling to turn it on; the other tool is called linky. I think it is from de.wikipedia, but japanese wikipedia got one with some sophistication. Ask ja:利用者:Tietew that. He frequents IRC #ja.wikipedia and that is the best way to reach him. (His English is pretty good, too.)

Please feel free to ask me further help. I hope your wikipedia will get through the trouble. Tomos 05:03, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I've just been to IRC and could talk to User:Suisui and User:Tietew they are anti-vandalism experts on japanese wikipedia (well, Suisui occasionally helped other projects, as I know). And here is my summary of their advices.

If the vandalism is frequent, the best option would be to ask developer to turn on the proxy blocker.
The problem with the proxy blocker is that it is a burden on the server. It may block innocent IPs as well.
Linky is now completely original of Tietew, but all the messages are in Japanese.
Linky needs an IRC channel, too, which is also a burden on the server.

We tried to read your deletion log at here:[8] (http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9F_%D7%9E%D7%97%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%AA) so that we could say something more relevant to your situation. But none of us could read hebrew, therefore it was quite hard. Tomos 05:54, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ty for your answer. the ptoblem is with 1 particular user. it started with pornographic articles and continiued with other ones. if we delete his article he rewrites it again and again. the only option we have right now is to wait untill he goes away and delete it afterwards. if we use the proxy blocker, wouldn't it block many innocent IPs as well? you said it may, so i want to know if many inoccent user will be clocked, if we use it. Gilgamesh he 15:35, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I don't know the exact extent of how much innocent IPs get blocked. There were some reports from Japanese Wikipedians and others. Regarding Japanese Wikipedia, it was not terrible. But still, collateral damage might happen. Tomos 23:29, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just a follow-up. I went to IRC again and talked with some people about the situation, and their opinion is that proxy blocker is not available now, so you should try other measures like range block or manual blocking of open proxies. Tomos 00:00, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

thank you very much for your help. i hope the troll will not return, but if he does, we will be able to stop him now. Gilgamesh he 09:30, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No, my pleasure. Please let us know about your experience when it is over.

Good luck! Tomos 00:23, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

copy rights

hi, maybe u can help me again. i copied with permission the article List of Roman military terms and specified it in Talk:List of Roman military terms. somebody thought i am violating copy rights and put a remark about it in the article. i don't know the standart procedure in this case. where should i say i copied the article with the premission of the original author? Gilgamesh he 13:17, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sure. Tomos 22:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Matisse's paintings

Hi, I deleted a link to the Delectorskaya portrait, cause I cannot be certain that it was published in the Soviet Union and not in France. According to my juristiction (I live in Russia) Matisse artwork passed to the public domain on Nov. 3rd, 2004, i.e. on the 50th anniversary of his death. Perhaps changing {sovietpd} to {PD-old-50} would be a good idea. Ghirlandajo 13:41, 20 Dec 2004 (GMT)

I agree except that the expiration in many countries may come at the beginning of the next year (I wrote details on your talk page). I was unaware of PD-old-50, and that would be useful, indeed. Protection ends 50 years after the authors' death in Japan, for example. Tomos 03:59, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re Modigliani image: Thanks, our error. JillandJack 18:14, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. :) Tomos 03:59, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image:Derain CharingCrossBridge.png

Hiya! Yep, you got it in one, I mistakenly assumed that this image was PD due to being pre-1923. Thanks for changing it to {{PD-art-US}}. I seem to recall that I uploaded 1 or 2 other images of a similar nature at the same time as this one, I will try to track them down and fix them if they are in the same copyright situation. --Stormie 23:39, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

OK, there was only one other, Image:Matisse TheDessert.png, and you've already fixed it up. You're a champ! --Stormie 23:41, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

-) Glad that I could catch it. Tomos 03:57, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jean-Baptiste Camille Corot pic

I came across Image:Corot.villedavray.750pix.jpg. Looking at your policy of dual-licensing your contributions with public domain, I am relatively sure that I can tag the image with template:PD-art. But I thought I would ask you first anyway. I agree so I've put the {{PD-art}} template on the Image Description Page. Thanks for letting me know about this - Adrian Pingstone 09:34, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My pleasure :) Tomos 13:04, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Image:Milletsower.jpg

You said:

Hi. I am currently reviewing license/copyright tags for art images. I came across Millet's sower that you uploaded. (Image:Milletsower.jpg) You identify it coming from Boston Museum of Fine Arts. I checked their site, and much to my disappointment, they, too, claim that all images are their properties and protected by copyrights. [9] (http://www.mfa.org/ip/copyright.html)

What should we do? I was thinking either to call them or ignore the warning and just tag the image with Template:PD-art, but thought I would ask you first. Thank you for your attention, Tomos 13:43, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not a copyright maven and don't know what to say. I try to be fairly careful about attributing sources precisely so these ambiguities are at least visible. I have relied on User:JamesDay's opinions... can't find 'em offhand... that works of art like The Sower cannot be copyrighted as long as they are reasonably faithful copies of the original, but I have no idea whether he's right. The big problem is that it is very clear that large organizations frequently make false copyright claims. And the big problem with asking permission is that you then have to deal with the likelihood that they will refuse to acknowledge that the work is in the public domain and will instead grant permission... and we can't use permission-only images.

I'm speaking from recent bad experience. I inserted, then had to pull an extremely appropriate illustration from the this version of the D'Arcy Thompson (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=D%27Arcy_Wentworth_Thompson&oldid=7491194) article. I am 99.9% certain that the image was published in 1917. I am 99.9% certain that it darn well is in the public domain in the U. S.. Furthermore, strange but true, the printing I have, a 1960's printing of the 1942 edition, contains no copyright notice. Unfortunately, I contacted Cambridge University Press which... well, you can read the whole sad story at Image:Darcythompson.jpg. I just don't believe Cambridge University press, but having asked them "isn't this in the public domain?" and having them say "no" I felt my hands were tied.

I'm going to just say a) I am not a lawyer; b) Millet painted "The Sower" in 1850; c) I haven't seen the original but since the image I used looks just like all the others I've seen, I believe they are all intended to be faithful copies of the original, not derivative works. That's all I'm going to say. Sorry if that puts you on the spot. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]]

Image licensing

Yo wrote:
Hi. I am currently reviewing license/copyright information of art images. I came across this image: Image:Leeuwenjacht delacroix.jpg which User:Squash labeled as images of unknown source (Template:Unverified. I think that given Delacroix passed away more than 100 years ago, the image could be tagged with Template:PD-art, but I thought I would ask you first. Thank you for your attention, Tomos 13:27, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You are correct, the artist died 1863, so please change the licensing, I am not aware of all conventions at the English wikipedia. Thanks, Ellywa 08:38, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You asked about my putting {{PD}} on the Duchamps Mona Lisa. This is because the date of the work is before 1920. {{PD-art}} might be better, though. Mpolo 16:20, Dec 28, 2004 (UTC)

About The Song of the Lark, go ahead and change the template. I'm not aware of all the licenses, although 99 years seemed like a good bet for PD :> The Steve

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