User talk:Ahoerstemeier

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Contents

1 Klingon 2 Gumba gumba/GumbaGumba 3 Yom Kippur War is the Israeli name for the 1973 war 4 "Lord Hudson" 5 Skver (Hasidic dynasty) 6 Bundeslaender germany bv.png 7 Thanks 8 Catalan I does not change to E 9 Advice on how to deal with a spammer 10 User:66.194.40.3 11 Kinaree 12 sorry 13 Thanks 14 Provincial seals of Thailand 15 Oops 16 Re: Sockpuppeting 17 Math constants 18 Redirect 19 Thanks 20 misleading information 21 commons images missing info 22 Possible impostors 23 Recent changes 24 Marla Ruzicka 25 Sukru Saracoglu Stadium 26 Vandalism 27 Tashkent 28 User:Wzk... 29 Buddhadasa Bhikkhu Thai Script 30 Genovese crime family 31 Could you please block out editing from this IP address? 32 Clearing the cache 33 Explanation 34 Featured picture nomination 35 Your order 36 Nomialbot 37 Links on Today pages 38 Kl0pper 39 Thanks 40 Many Thanks from Manop 41 Questions 42 Image:Rochdale Canal1.jpg 43 Accidental deletion... 44 Phuket 45 Thai Royals 46 Chulalongkorn 47 Red link recovery project

Klingon

Sorry I didn't respond to your message earlier. It seems the vandalism at tlh has stopped now, but if you decide you do still need adminship there, the quickest place to ask is either on IRC or at m:requests for permissions. Angela. 01:44, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Gumba gumba/GumbaGumba

When you block likely reincarnations of this user, please bear in mind that he uses an NTL proxy shared by many and so, if possible, make blocks of short duration. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 10:07, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

How can anyone without direct access to the log files know which IP a user has? Even in the block log the auto-blocked IPs are not listed as numerical. And anyway IIRC the timeout for these autoblocked-IPs is 24h, even if the user is blocked longer - maybe that default/maximum value should be set a bit lower? andy 11:07, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well the reason I know is because every time you block him you block me! :) -Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:44, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

But as you're an admin yourself, at least you can unblock yourself. Still annoying, but better than for a normal user, then you'd be locked out completely. If Bug 550 (http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=550) will be "fixed" the problem would disappear. andy 11:50, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well the good news is that this vandal, like most "for the hell of it" vandals, gives up as soon as he's blocked. A relatively brief block is likely to work just as well as a longer one. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:03, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yom Kippur War is the Israeli name for the 1973 war

Is this an Israeli encyclopedia?--Dogtag 15:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Lord Hudson"

With the best of intentions, you fixed the "Lord Hudson" redirect to Carl Hudson -- but that's complete claptrap. Take a look at its VfD, and the VfD of a number of closely related pages. They're so awful they're almost funny. PS User:Dexillon is very keen to add a mention of the fictional Lord Seal to Spilsby. I'm about to turn off the computer for the evening, but somebody might like to keep an eye on this page. -- Hoary 12:57, 2005 Apr 7 (UTC)

Skver (Hasidic dynasty)

I was in the middle of checking this with Jayjg when it was deleted. He confirmed that it was genuine, and pointed me towards two editors who could expand and confirm it. I undeleted it, added relevant templates, and contacted the two editors. I hope that that's OK. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:21, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Bundeslaender germany bv.png

Hi,

could you please enter details describing sources needed by GNU Free Documentation License to file Bundeslaender germany bv.png (or others with german federal states).

Please update the info also in Commons.

• [1] (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bundeslaender_germany_bv.png)
• [2] (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bundeslaender_germany_bw.png)
• [3] (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bundeslaender_germany_ni.png)

BR, Ondrejk (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ondrejk)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism of my user page. You did it so fast, I didn't even notice it happened until I checked the history just now. Mgm|^(talk) 11:11, Apr 11, 2005 (UTC)

Catalan I does not change to E

Thanks for your English corrections to the article 2399_Terradas. I reverted the "E" between familly names to "I" as using this letter is a Catalan tradition and unlike the Spanish "Y" it never changes to "E" as you can learn here: [I (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/I)] and here [Esteban Terradas i Illa (http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esteban_Terradas_i_Illa)] --213.176.161.201 13:43, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I changed it to "e" as MSN Encarta has an article about him with that spelling (however only the spanish edition, [4] (http://es.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761592152/Esteban_Terradas_e_Illa.html)), and also because of Meanings of asteroid names (2001-2500) list him with "e". But as you now created the article about him as well we can circumvent the problem with a simple redirect, so both spelling will lead to the same article. andy 16:10, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Advice on how to deal with a spammer

I am sorry if my editing is not top notch but i am usually just reading. It appears like this user, user:Oren_Shatz, is using wikipedia for his own seo company benefits. I deleted one of his links from argentina two times already and would like to get some advice from you if there is a more efficient way to deal with those kind of people. 21:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:66.194.40.3

Hi, I see your on admin duty. Could you block the IP-address above? This one thinks he's pretty smart, he has removed his entry twice from WP:VIP. Thanks. Sjakkalle 11:58, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kinaree

I only today noticed you'd suggested a picture - thanks :-) — KayEss | talk 11:28, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome, I browsed your todo list and noticed that I had already seen one Kinaree pic on the German wikipedia. Hope you'll find more time for Wikipedia again, because the Himaphan forest has many characters to describe. andy 12:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

sorry

sorry it was my brother he is a idiot

Thanks

Thank you for reverting the vandalism to my user page. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:29, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Provincial seals of Thailand

I completed uploading all of Northern provinces' seals to commons. Thanks. --อนันต์ 10:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Good, so far I only uploaded them to commons when I create a new stub for the Thai wikipedia and want to include them there - to give the Thai wikipedians a good starting point for changwat articles. Sadly the only thing I can add there are lists, which is can create by copy-and-paste. andy 11:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oops

Sorry, I think you were a few seconds faster deleting Clare Brandabur than I was in nominating it. if you're on top on the New Pages Patrol, I will leave you to it. Sjakkalle 11:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry, continue to mark them, it's better to delete them twice than have one of these editing experiments slip through the new page partol and stay in the database until someone stumbles on it. andy 11:29, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Sockpuppeting

Ahoerstemeier, you may block me and block me, but I will not stop until I have made my point, which, by the way, is available in Pavel Vozenilek's talk page. See Whodunit. You may as well stop wasting our time and read the post and then we can get down to business. Post me on my talk page if you feel like it. Whowilldothat 15:16, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Another thing - please check out Tropical cyclone and give me your opinion. Whowilldothat

And what is your point? That you can recreate accounts to vandalize, and keep well-meaning admins from more useful tasks by keeping them busy to cleanup your mess? That everyone can vandalize articles? It is the philosophy to keep this site as oppen as possible, even though some would be more happy with a more restricted access, see e.g. meta:Anonymous users should not be allowed to edit articles. Vandalism is usually quickly fixed anyway, the current model has worked fine for all the time of the existance of this site. You may also read Wikipedia:Replies to common objections. andy 15:36, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Incidentally, yes, that is my point. Or a variation of it. My point is that with this open society, it is very possible that a group of not-well-meaning people can come along and disrupt Wikipedia, keeping well-meaning admins from useful tasks, and causing disturbances in the whole site, eventually leading to its downfall. My little experiment with sockpuppeting has just shown this point. You try to discourage me by putting me to shame. But what if these theoretical vandals have no shame? Then Wikipedia will be as good as gone, and goodbye, free editing. Vandalism is very quickly fixed, but only in small, isolated outbreaks. What if this large group comes along with the intention of harming Wikipedia? They will be much harder to stop because: 1) they have a common goal, 2) they might be able to circumvent the blocks/bans, 3) they will stop at nothing. And given the infinite amount of letter-number permutations, they could do this until Kingdom come. Better be prepared than unprepared, I say. Although I do not know what influence you have in Wikipedia, you could address this situation. Great things began with little ideas in small men, after all. That is all. Whowilldothat 15:52, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There is always the version history still available so there is always a way to get back to the last good version. And IF Wikipedia comes under such an attack, the developers can set the database to read-only, or disable anonymous edits, or maybe implement the need for a verified email address for account creation. But so far this wasn't necessary, and hopefully won't be necessary in the future, as the Nupedia project died partially due to the very closed user base. BTW: Here's another page for you to read: Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point andy 16:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Understood. But what if these theoretical vandals break the 3RR continously, further disrupting Wikipedia? At least it's comforting to know that the developers can fix this up in case it happens. And by the way, I have been trying to make my point for a long time now, but nobody listened. So I guessed I had to take some drastic action. Tschus - Whowilldothat 16:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You'd have received the same answer if you just posted your concern in the Wikipedia:Village Pump, or maybe the Wikipedia:mailing list, without annoying people and disrupting the site by vandalism. It normally isn't worth to monitor vandals in more detail, except to just revert the damage and give them a warning, as most are just school kids discovering they can put nasty things about their classmates here. And to answer the 3RR question - if an article receives too many reverts it gets protected, so the combatants have to discuss their problem about it. andy 08:22, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The 3RR reply: why not protect every page in Wikipedia? Then nobody would be able to edit it and Wikipedia wouldn't be free anymore. Praktisch, oder? But, nobody listens to prophecies until the bad stuff actually occurs. Maybe I'll just sit tight and wait for a giant swarm of vandalbots wrecks Wikipedia. Das wäre SEHR effektiv! Whowilldothat 12:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Math constants

Ive protected them with the comment: "saving from (hasty) deletion till I can populate". Thats all I can say for now. I understand that having stubs is inconvenient for deletionists, but people should bear with, and reserve the speedy delete for vandalism or articles with no potential. Thanks, SV|t 16:34, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Redirect

I noticed your redirect of Daffadown Dilly which was quite appropriate. However I wrote the note in response to a requested article. Could this cause difficulties later on? ping 08:07, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a bunch for reverting my user page from the vandalism. Zscout370 (talk) 12:28, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

misleading information

I am unsure why you deleted correct information and left information that is false on the burglary page?

The facts presented on the page that were incorrect:

"Many other U.S. states treat burglary as a more serious crime when it occurs at night; California, for example, prosecutes nighttime burglary as "burglary in the first degree" and daytime burglary as "burglary in the second degree," under most circumstances."

I pointed out that this information was incorrect so that an innocent person using Wikipedia would not be mislead with false information.

I then added the factual statement:

"Burglary is entering any habitable structure with the intent of A. commiting larceny(theft), whether it be petty or grand, or B. any felony. If there is no intent upon entering the structure, there is no burglary. First degree burglary in California is reserved for any burglary to a residential structure e.g. house, apartment. Second degree burglary is all other types of burglary, e.g. businesses, vehicles, containers."

I am just unsure why my update was deleted, and I was wondering why you would want incorrect information posted on a resource that is relied upon by many people across the globe.

I am a practioner of law, and am certified by the State Bar of California. I feel that the editing you have done is a disservice to the faithful patrons that utilize this great site and that providing unfactual information to your clients is not something they would be fond of.

commons images missing info

Hi - I just found some uploads of yours on the commons that are missing all info, most importantly a license and categorization. Have a look at commons:Image:Amphoe 4809.png and commons:Image:Amphoe Nakhon Phanom.png, for example - but there are probably some more. Please add the info! Oh, ich könnte ja auch deutsch sprechen. Naja, egal, Gewohheit;) -- commons:User:Duesentrieb 02:14, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

I have no idea why I forgot the description for those file, normally I always add it directly. But it's fixed now. andy 16:03, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Possible impostors

A search of the user list turned up two possible impostors for you: Ahoerstemeyer (talk • contribs) and Ahoesrtemeier (talk • contribs), neither of which have any edits yet. I just thought you might want to take a look at them and deal with then at your discretion. – ClockworkSoul 02:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Blocked them, together with the new imposter Template:Vandal. I cannot see any valid contributions forthcoming from someone choosing that username. andy 18:47, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Recent changes

Hey, I notice you doing a lot of RC patrolling recently (and getting impersonated a lot!), so I'd like to point you towards User:CryptoDerk/CDVF and if you feel like it, give it a try and give me some feedback. Cheers. CryptoDerk 20:43, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Marla Ruzicka

Ahoerstemeier:

I have crossed your path on numerous Thailand articles.

User 198.8.3.35 & 198.8.3.36 has been hammering the Marla Ruzicka article numerous times by deleting all External Links and replacing them with a vicious, hateful, no-value link.

I want this user to be blocked.

Can you help?

--AStanhope 01:28, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I though so. Astanhope regards as "vicious, hateful, no-value", links from a website with 2 million hits per day & a roster of national columnists. He appears more interested in maintaining a shrine to a politically simpatico soulmate than in disseminating accurate information.

Achilles 11 May

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The Marla Ruzicka article does not conform to the NPOV principal. The young woman was a political activist, & the article, & external links make little or no mention of her highly debatable political activities. When an external link is added to provide some clarity & balance, it is deleted as "hate speech" & "vandalism". Also deleted are the POV dispute alerts. Clearly someone is interested in maintaining a shrine to Ms Ruzicka, not in disseminating information. Astanhope has deemed that no link to Frontpagemag is to be allowed because it is "fringe" & engages in "hate speech"-- the Frontpage site receives over 2million hits per day, & has some of the most prominent columnists in the country. I don't believe the article is 'neutral', or even fair.

One reason given for excluding the link was "factual inaccuracy" in that it said Ruzicka had been in Iraq prior to the war, with the Code Pink org. Astanhope denied this, & was mistaken Here are 2 sources of confirmation--

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=679085&page=3

& the horse's mouth--

http://www.codepinkalert.org/

News column on right side of page-- "Marla Ruzicka, who went on CODEPINK's first trip to Iraq and decided to stay to help the Iraqi people"

Achilles 13 May

--- I am not interested in that article, so please keep your NPOV discussion to the place it belong: Talk:Marla Ruzicka. Please note that I only got involved when you started to vandalize the article, because you did not succeed to get that link into the article, and I only reverted the actual vandalism edits. Everything else is the question wether the article is NPOV, or a allegedly hate-speech link can be included, and needs to be discussed. andy 11:49, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Sukru Saracoglu Stadium

Hi, It isn't nonsense to name it as "Sukru Saracoglu Stadium", but nonsense to name it as "Şükrü Saracoğlu Stadyumu", because it is hard to type in the latter. Think of it! CeeGee 21:23, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

The problem wasn't the spelling, the problem was that you did a copy-and-paste page move instead of a real move, which would destroy the editing history. You might notice that the article now still resides at the location without the diacrytics, even though that's also because those characters aren't yet possible in article titles. andy 10:55, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism

Thanks for that, it was getting a bit hectic!--Rjstott 11:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Tashkent

Hallo Herr Andreas, wie geht es ihnen? User:Danny made a map of Tashkent in Thai! on [5] (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Tashkent_TH.PNG) now we only need to have the article written. Are you a father already btw? Waerth 00:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

You better tell th:User:Ungvichian, who is most active with the countries in Thai. I only do the tables for the Thai provinces there, hoping that those will attract locals to extend them to become full articles. In case you haven't seen it yet - following you recent stubs on Thai rivers I have created more elaborate version of the Tapi, bang Pa Kong and Pa Sak river, so there's some material for you to translate. Also don't forget to monitor my edits on Dutch, there's probably something to fix for them, e.g. the new disambiguations I created. And the baby is scheduled for the 31st, so maybe I will be less active here for some time after that... andy 11:21, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Cool good luck! I will look at your edits, but they are 100% correct usually ;) You could become an honorary Dutchman. I have one question ..... do you eat mayo with your French Fries .... Waerth 23:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks :-) But I prefer Ketchup, and I'm also no fan of the Dutch Frikandel, I prefer the German Currywurst. :-) Actually, I am just good at copy-and-paste, trying to find a very similar sentence and then simply exchange the one word. Similar to how I create stubs about the Thai provinces in the Thai wikipedia. andy 15:18, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

User:Wzk...

...came back and immediately engaged in page move vandalism on your and my user page. I've fixed it and blocked him for good (indefinitely). I only mention this because last time (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AWzk), your short block apparently overrode ClockworkSoul's permanent block. Lupo 08:50, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Buddhadasa Bhikkhu Thai Script

I recently wrote an article about Buddhadasa Bhikkhu but I've lost my source material which spelled his name in Thai (I also don't know how to upload Thai-language scripts). I was wondering if you had access to his name in Thai and could upload the scripts to the page. In addition, any other info on his life is also greatly appreciated. Best, --Alabamaboy 18:21, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Great, I planned to write about him for quite some time since I learned about his significance after visiting Wat Suan Mok once. But I haven't searched much for sources yet, and as I am no Buddhist I worry to misinterpret his teachings. But the Thai spelling I could find for you: พุทธทาสภิกขุ; uploading Thai script is relatively easy, at least on Windows with Mozilla/Firefox it all works automatically once you have a font for Thai. andy 18:50, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Genovese crime family

Hello Ahoerstemeier. I'm sorry to trouble you but may I ask why the Genovese crime family article was reverted to Genovese Family ? The article, which was apparently already incorrectly redirected to another article, seems to be correct as per the consistancy of the existing Mafia crime families and wikipedia naming convention. 152.163.100.132 05:18, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Because it was a copy-and-paste page move, which destroys the editing history. If you create a user account, you can move the article in correct way, or you can list it at Wikipedia:Requested moves. andy 12:54, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Ahh..I see. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thanks. 64.12.116.132 00:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Could you please block out editing from this IP address?

Hello there; I'm not sure who to ask this of, but this is a school IP address in which kids frequently use the internet and find it "funny" to modify wikipedia- Is it possible to block this IP address from editing but not viewing? If you could do so, you'd be doing a great thing and helping wikipedia out by stopping a few hundred kids from being able to edit pages at random for cheap laughs.

Sorry to intrude here, but to say the same thing I said on your talk page mr. anon, we won't block public proxies for more than an hour or so, even if the proxy are shared by a school. Inter\^Echo 13:35, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Clearing the cache

How do I do that?

68.169.113.246 Talk to me, 68.169.113.246 My contributions 12:10, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It should be explained in Wikipedia:Clear your cache - normally a shift-reload is he first step, but then it may be the WP cache itself. Dunno how to clear it for anonymous users, users with account have a checkbox in the preferences whether that cache should be used or not. andy 12:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Explanation

These Lithuanian cities never had Polish names in the past.

Adding to explaination: they (the cities in question) never had Polish minorities either. These are attempts by certain indviduals to establish an idea that Lithuania is historically Polish because it was part of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth I think. As the same indviduals delete Lithuanian names for Polish cities, *even* cities which historically had Lithuanian majority. DeirYassin 13:36, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My main problem was that the removal of the polish names - whether they belong there or not is another question - was labeled as "rv vandalism", which it definitely isn't. andy 15:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Featured picture nomination

I have submitted a picture of yours here:

COM:FPC (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Featured_picture_candidates)

Do you have a higher resolution image? LoopZilla 10:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) and [6] (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LoopZilla)

Your order

Thanks for correcting German description, at my order page :). Oh, here you have your ordered image: commons:Image:BSridarunsil.png. It is so simple, so I have done it quickly. Regards. -PioM _EN DE PL 19:29, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wow, that was really fast, thanks a lot. I'll request the other Thai bishops once I can find a decent example picture, but that one is already a nice start. Of course I already included it into the article. andy 16:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You are welcome. -PioM _EN DE PL 18:46, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Nomialbot

What's the purpose of Template:Tl? It doesn't appear to be documented anywhere.

Nomialbot creates redirects from a genus name to a species article when the genus is marked as monotypic in the taxobox (i.e. highlighted in bold). But I see that there are many articles with the genus bolded even though it is non-monotypic. Would you like me to delete all the redirects from genera to species I made? (A bit tricky at the moment with article deletion not working, but I can schedule it for when that problem is fixed.) Gdr 11:51, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

I looked at Wikipedia:Template messages but didn't see any documentation, just a list of templates and their text. What are they for?

I don't think it's necessary to delete them directly (they don't create much harm even if they are slightly misleading), a slight crosscheck might be enough. If you can create a list of those redirects the bot created (maybe a bit easier than to check the contributions list of GdrBot) I will put the check of them on my todo list. andy 12:19, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, will do. Gdr 12:30, 2005 Jun 8 (UTC)

Links on Today pages

OK. I'll stop adding them for now. I noticed there has been some information I had on my pages that was not in the wikipedia but it's not that often. I try to add it to the Wikipedia when I find it but the idea I had was that if I had the links there at the bottom, I would not have to do a diff between what's in Wikipedia and what I have on my site. I'll stop adding links for now (I've done them through June 30) and will wait for someone to add a note asking me to resume on my discussion page if people want me to resume. --TNLNYC 22:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kl0pper

Hi, I'm kinda new, and I noticed that you protected this page from vandalism. Usually there's some clue as to why, so I was somewhat baffled and thought maybe it was some kind of joke, so much so that I put a speedy delete tag on it(!) - anyway, once I learned you were an admin, I thought there might be some rhyme or reason to it...just curious is all. Thanks. :) StopTheFiling 09:41, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Seems like that one can be deleted now, the vandalism spree on creating that nonsense article should be over for now. As you wonder why no vandalism history was visible - those edits were deleted, thus are only visible to admins. andy 16:16, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I see, that makes sense that you can delete the edit history - while keeping it would make things clearer, I can also definitely see why one wouldn't want it there. Thanks for the explanation. StopTheFiling 16:55, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandal on my user page/talk page. – ABCD 12:50, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Many Thanks from Manop

I'm a newbie here. Thank you for the useful suggestions user:Manop After I browsed the Thai Wikipedia, I found out that you're a great resouce of the Thai Wikipedia. Thanks again. P.S. It seems to me that you can use Th-1 or Th-2 ;)

Questions

Hello again,

I have many questions for the Thai wiki, and my really question is where I can post my questions. I really got lost in the Thai wiki.

And my questions are where to find these topics below in Thai?

• The Five Pillars of Wikipedia
• How to edit a page
• Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
• Picture tutorial
• How to write a great article
• Naming conventions
• Manual of Style

Thanks --manop 21:13, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Image:Rochdale Canal1.jpg

It resurfaced as Image:Calder and hebble.jpg. I've fixed the image link.Geni 11:23, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Accidental deletion...

Hi.

I note from Special:Log/Delete that you deleted General Council of the Valleys:

11:50, 16 Jun 2005 Ahoerstemeier deleted "General Council of the Valleys" (only external link)

I'd knocked this into a halfway decent stub, and removed the speedy notice; is there any chance you can undelete it, or will it need to go through Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion? I suspect there was a few minutes lag messing things up here...

Thanks. Shimgray 10:56, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oups, sorry, my mistake, I only noticed that it was one more of the "weblink to national parliament" speedy deletion candidates created by the same anonymous user - I didn't notice it was expanded already. Of course I undeleted it directly now. andy 10:58, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Speedy deletion and speedier restoration ;-) Shimgray 11:00, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Phuket

I've seen that you changed the details of Phuket, esp. the meaning of some Malay words. These are very sensitive issues, and are not sound nice to us. Please be careful of keeping the Wikipedia neutral, which is very important for the young generation to learn, not to be forced to know by some of the mis leading information.

I have answered at Talk:Phuket Province, as for problems with a specific article the discussion page is the right place. andy 11:25, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thai Royals

hi there. well as far as i know, Rama V is more common that Chulalongkorn or whatever.. in english. what the situation in Thailand is, i am not quite sure. the reason of renaming is simple: before, an article would simply be headed as let´s say for example, "Vajravudh". vajravudh who? the prince? the king? the gardner? the god? so you will probably agree with me, that that can´t work, and most encyclopedia´s won´t list him that way anyways. it has to be more than, "King Vajravudh of Thailand" or something like that... do we agree on that?

regarding the rules you mentioned about naming, i´ve heard it before, but in my humble opinion the naming rules are bull... i don´t know who put those up, but i´m going to go there and discuss it as well. Queen Sirikit is listed as Sirikit Kitiyakara, which makes NO sense whatsoever, even by current Wikipedia rules. then we have a case like "Mary of Teck", who nobody knows who that is. (Answer:Queen Mary I of England. why it´s impossible to list her under that name is a riddle to me). it gets even better: "Marie Antoinette" is listed at the moment under that name, just like in the German version. perfectly fine. according to Wikipedia rules however, she should be listed under her maiden name, that would be "Maria Antonia, Archduchess of Austria". tell me honestly, who knows Maria Antonia? another point, Empress Elisabeth of Austria (Sisi) is currently listed as "Elisabeth of Bavaria". according to Wikipedia rules, she should actually be named "Elisabeth, Duchess in Bavaria". excuse me, but who has ever heard of Duchess Elisabeth in Bavaria?

since the Thai kings are monarchs, why should they be listed differently? you can check out the naming rules for monarchs here

[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28names_and_titles%29#Monarchical_titles)

Antares911 11:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The main problem is the Rama something - that is not the common use. E.g. Wyatt's "History of Thailand" as the standard english language history book almost never uses it, it's always "King Mongkut" etc. The "of Thailand" would be necessary if the king have names like "Edward", but there'll never be any other King Mongkut than the one in Thailand. I prefer the simple article titles, thus even skipping the "king" if there is no confusion about it - there's no other "Mongkut" in Thailand. You might also see Talk:Bhumibol Adulyadej why that one shouldn't be moved to Rama IX - why treat the current king other than the previous ones? But as I said - maybe it'd be a good idea to discuss this in general how to treat Thai titles, as the "correct" name is a very confusing topic there. But I would suggest to use Wyatt as the guideline. andy 11:33, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now added it to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Thailand-related articles)#Article names for Thai royals/Thai with honorary titles andy 11:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

actually there is controversy as well about the naming of "Bhumipol Adulyadej" because it would signify a slight disrespect towards His Majesty. you can read up on that on the [[Talk:]] page of that article. besides "Mongkut" doesn´t tell a lay person anything, it needs to elaborated, just like "Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom", or "Empress Michiko of Japan" and NOT "Michiko" or whatever. in any case, there need to be better guidelines how to name non-european royals, we need to talk about this to come to a suitable solution.

about the naming of Thai royals, i have always seen both, either " King Rama V" or the personal name. if the majority chooses to use the personal name, then I shall respect that. however the title cannot be simply be "Mongkut" as I pointed out earlier. that is simply not acceptable and is a slight on Their Majesties. comments are more than welcome Antares911 19:17, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Chulalongkorn

Comments (and votes) for wikipedia:Requested move have to be placed on the talk page of the page to be moved. So I have moved your comment on Chulalongkorn Talk:Chulalongkorn However it could have been understood to be an Oppose vote. If so you will have to go to Talk:Chulalongkorn#Requested move to Oppose the move. Philip Baird Shearer 16:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

hi there Ahoerstemeier. i posted my thoughts about renaming of the Thai Royals. their status definetly needs to be reflected in the naming of the article, is my humble opinion. Antares911 19:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Red link recovery project

Howdy, Topbanana here, back after an extended absence. I've decided to round up a few of my more useful reports into a project with the goal of converting as many "red links" (links to non-existant articles) into "blue links" (links to real articles). As you've been active in fixing similar things in the past, I thought I'd let you know in case you're interested in joining up. If not, I won't be offended - we've all got lots todo here :) - TB 11:34, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)