User talk:Rlee0001

Sorry, Rlee, but you are correct: article names are case-sensitive. Thus "twin cities" and "Twin Cities" are different subjects. Many computer programmers are comfortable with case-sensitivity.

One exception to this rule, however, is the initial letter of a link. Thus "hobbit" (hobbit) and "Hobbit" (Hobbit) both refer to the same article.

Hope this isn't too confusing or inconvenient for you. Ed Poor

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Re: your answer on the Talk:Main Page: I think you should certainly create articles for dynamic linking and static linking. However, if their content is likely to be the same as Library linking (or whatever), then just make them a redirect article. In this way, people that create a link to dynamic linking get served, while you still have only one place where everything is.

Also: Don't include (Computer Science) in the title of Library linking, unless there are other kinds of Library linking in existance (or can expected to be).

Regards, Jheijmans

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Re: Library Linking (Computer Science): My reasoning for the (Computer Science) is that there are more then one type of library which can be linked (for example, those with books). That said, the article had already been created. Is there a way to rename it? Perhaps copying its contents into the new file and erasing all the original text from the current version? Will that delete the current topic as it is currently titled? I'm having a rather hard time finding my way around this site in many cases. I'd imagine that it would be a nightmare for the average user to navigate. Another issue though.

Hi, a few notes:

• the article on library linking is currently actually an "orphan", only this talk page links to it. Best practice for creating a new article is to find another article from which it can be linked.
• I cannot think up what library linking with real books should mean
• To move a page, you can use the "redirect" feature. This causes somebody that asks for a page that has been moved to be automatically redirected to its new location
• For more help (you've touched a number of difficult topics, so I hope you're not scared away), please use Wikipedia:Help or Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers.

Jheijmans

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My suggestions for the creators/maintainers of wikipedia:

Try to make the site "reader-friendly". The current design is great! I've always been a hands on poweruser so the current interface suits my personal style great. But to a reader, having links to "edit this page" and "history" on each page would be confusing I would think. Especially considering that the word "history" has several meanings and can be misleading in the context of some articles. Perhaps if "contributor" tools were hidden or visually "removed" from the article text, this would be more clear.

This would change the whole spirit of Wikipedia--much of the point is that all users know they can improve and expand the Wikipedia.

Perhaps change 'history' to 'edit history' or 'previous edits'? Grimey 18:32, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article names should not be case sensitive. If they are, the system should at least force all names to lower case. The rule that the article should be made lower-case by the contributors except the first letter is silly. Ussually article titles have the first letter of all major words in upper case. Minor words such as "the", "on", "in", "at" and "is" are ussually kept lower-case except at the start of the title. Proper nouns such as "Robert Frost" should have all thier words capitalized. Our naming scheme seams to require that "Frost" be lowercase. Not only would that look funny, but it would be improper and could be interpreted as disrespectfull. Especially if its not done consistently to all proper nouns. In short: contributors should be able to use capitalization following the more popular guidelines outlined above and the system should not worry about the capitalization of any letter in article titles. By the way, Main Page violates the naming suggestions.

You've misunderstood the conventions. Proper nouns, such as Robert Frost, do get capitalized titles. There are also lots of redirects between the all-upper-case you're advocating and the mixed-case we've settled on.

Some of the "Special Pages" such as the "Recently Modified" page have options for the number of items to show per page. I can't find a way to go to the next page of items however. It would be nice to have links to jump directly into the lists at important points. For cronological lists these points could be dates for example where-as in alphabetical lists the link can point to each letter of the alphabet. This would make things much easier on the contributors. Also, shouldn't these pages have filters for showing just articles that I've contributed to or just articles that I'm watching?

Of course this is just my two cents. I could be wrong!

-Robert

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Obviously a flaw in the "freaking perfect concept," RL. Not "Flawless!"

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Hi Rlee0001, there is a lockout feature, but it can only block IP-adresses, and your admirer seems to change IPs rather often, so it won't help. It's only available to administrators anyway. -- JeLuF 14:20 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

Isn't your "User:" page yours? I realize that nobody owns articles but your user page is your personal bio no? So why not keep it read-only to the public. If I need to speak with someone I'd use the talk: page anyways. The behaviour should be identical to that of the Main Page. Just my 2 cents. Rlee0001 14:23 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

Add this to the feature request list at Sourceforge (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?group_id=34373&atid=411195), perhaps it will be added to the next release. -- JeLuF

Thanks. I found the site and added my idea. PS: Thanks for the typo fix. I would suggest that if the user pages were ever to be considered "Protected" by the system that other users could suggest the typo fix to the user in his talk: page. Then if the user likes the typo fix he/she can add it. In any case, thanks for your help!

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Sorry for posting this message to your user page -- for some weird reason I can't edit your talk page... Can you? Anyway, I blocked the IPs of your secrete admirer. It looks like their only contribution has been posting comments to your user page. While this technically isn't considered to be prima facia vandalism, the fact that it was systematic and obviously against your wishes makes it de facto vandalism.

Technically speaking, you could have a sysop protect your user page (not your talk of course, although still technically feasible…) but this would be considered to an anti-wiki act and you would probably have to demonstrate a need for it to the Wikipedia mailing list (like if your "admirer" keeps coming back with new IP addresses -- I could do a temporary protect, but anything more than that needs list approval and a good reason). However, you have to realize that if your page is protected only sysops would be able to edit it. So this is pretty major thing to ask for. BTW, there has been some talk about validating most user accounts over a month old so that they can edit protected pages too (this would include anybody who has been around for a while and seems to know the ropes, so to speak). --mav 15:30 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

Please move this message to your talk if you are able to. Otherwise leave it or delete it -- it's your page, do what you want with it. :) --mav

Works for me so it seems. :o). Now if I can just get the User: page to do that...lol.

Hopefully its over now that the IPs are blocked. I think he/she was using a proxy server anyways. Thanks for the info! Rlee0001 15:38 Jul 26, 2002 (PDT)

I'm glad I was able to help. :) I guess my problems editing this page earlier were specific to my work computer. I shouldn't be editing wikipedia at work anyway, but I did have to jump in to block the fella who was annoying you -- There is no way in hell I'm going to let some internet troll degrade our community by harassing good decent members into leaving. If you need anything, just call on my talk page. The wiki awaits... --mav

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You might be interested in our article move feature. Depending on your set-up "move this page" should be either in your side panel or on the bottom panel of the page you want to move. Using this feature is both easier for the person doing the move and more importantly it carries over the history of the moved article. But please do mind Wikipedia:Naming conventions whem moving though. :) --mav

Thanks, but I don't have that link. I'm using the layout with a blue bar across the top (talk and uneditable pages are yellow, links are color coded and so on). I'll try logging out and seeing if it appears. Also, on naming conventions, did I make a mistake? To my knowledge the "programming language" suffix for languages has been a long-agreed-apon standard. I was just moving some pages to adhere to that. Sorry about not using the "move this page" feature though. I'll look again and see if it is there and I just didn't see it. For the record though, most of the articles I moved didn't have a history (I think maybe 2 or 3 of them did, but the others were only auto-imported or "convertion script" items without a history beyond that. Again, sorry if I messed things up. I'd be happy to fix anything I break if I can figure out how. Also, I should probably add redirects in those blank articles. Rlee0001 22:05 Oct 20, 2002 (UTC)

As you said there wasn't much history to move. I was just pointing out a better way to do this in general. The reason why I restored the one article is becuase the only thing you stated in the edit summary is "DELETE ME" when you blanked-out the page. I didn't see that you had copied the text to the naming convention-correct title (I don't agree with this convention but that is a separate story) because the new article was lost in a sea of Ram-Man's auto-generated city articles. Redirecting the blank pages would be best. --mav

Mav, sorry about all this. I'm kinda lost in all the RAM-MAN posts too. Rlee0001 22:26 Oct 20, 2002 (UTC)

Not a problem. I've gotten lost too. But Ram-Man has only started with the American city/town/place entries and there are over 30,000 of them. --mav

PS The move feature is only available to logged-in users. In Cologne Blue "move this page" is the forth option in the "Edit" group on the side panel. --mav

Oopsie! I had that bar turned off! LOL! I didn't realize that there were any options that were unique to the bar that you couldn't access without out. Sheesh...this day just keeps getting worse. Thanks for you help! Rlee0001 22:48 Oct 20, 2002 (UTC)

I'm glad I was able to help. --mav

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See User talk:Ram-Man -- Ram-Man

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yah...that makes sense...i should vandalise my own user page....hmmLir 16:01 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

Well, they do sound alike right? You are both are on at the same time. Also, if you put your contribution lists side by side, you stopped contributing for eight minutes, during this time is when lear account is created and 2/3rds of his edits are made. After this, both of your edits alternate back and forth with the exception of 10:39, which gives you a whole minute to change users. Lear stops editing at 10:43, possibly due to the ban, and you come back at 10:49 with an edit to mark twain, appearantly out of the blue. Why the full 10 minute delay between edits? Your Mark twain edit was only one sentaince with a quote, hardly a 10 minute write-up. And what was that quote?

Mark Twain says, "A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining, but wants it back the minute it begins to rain."

You wrote that out of the blue, 10 minutes after all of you other edits, six minutes after lear's last edit. Was that six minutes the time it took you to figure out why your vandalism wasn't saving? I rest my case your honor. Robert Lee

What's wrong with my Mark Twain quote? You are why people hate lawyers.Lir 16:19 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

LOL! I'm just kidding with you. Relax...hehe. Robert Lee

yah. but the lawyers aren't kidding. Lir 21:33 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

I guess what really bothered me was that I thought you had deleted my quote. Im getting pretty fed up with certain sysops who go around saying, "This lacks context" "This does not fit the template" "This is not dictionarial" "This is unconfirmed" and they just go and revert everything so that nobody can ever see it again. Lir 08:58 Nov 12, 2002 (UTC)

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I was reverting the page, not vandalizing it. See user talk:Clutch. --KQ

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Hi Robert - re the naming convention for programming languages and your comments on the Wikipedia:Village pump - I actually edited the naming convention to fit in with what I thought made the most sense, which means that as the convention reads, VBScript is indeed the "correct" name for the article. I mentioned my proposed change on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions first, but there were no objections after a few days, so I went ahead and changed it. If you disagree with the new convention and think the old one was better, I'd be interested to hear why - personally, I can't think of any reason to put the words "programming language" after every title whether such disambiguation is needed or not.

Finally, if you are going to move pages around, could you please use the "move this page" option rather than cutting and pasting the text; that way all the history and page hits get moved across as well. --Camembert

You can't move an article to a location once it already exists. Since I was moving "VBScript" to "VBScript programming language" (which IS the appropriate title) and this article already exists, Move this page won't work. You have to Copy & Paste. Just another reason you should not play with things without asking first. Also, you should mention your changes in the section of the pedia that is appropriate for the article you are moving. So you should have mentioned your change in programming language in addition to Wikipedia:Naming conventions. Also, take a good long look at list of programming languages. You want to rename all of them? There are hundreds. I personally have spent weeks setting up this section to have a consistent syntax and based on the concensus at talk:programming language. -Robert Lee

The assertion that "You can't move an article to a location once it already exists" is only partly true - if the page you are trying to move the article to consists only of a redirect to the page you are moving the article from (as was the case with VBScript), then the software will allow you you move the page. However, this isn't really a big deal.

Beyond that, we seem to have got off on the wrong foot - I'm aware that you've done a lot of work on the programming languages pages. Please don't see my proposed changes as an attack against your work; they're just an attempt to cut down on work in the future and to make their page names more consistent with what is done in general on the wikipedia (to not disambiguate unless it is necessary).

I didn't mention my proposed change on Talk:Programming language because there were a lot of other articles that would also be indirectly affected by the proposed change, and I didn't want to add the proposal to all of them - my apologies for this. As for the list of programming languages - it isn't really necessary to rename all the links there, because redirects will still point to the new page titles from the old ones.

I've responded to the post you made on the village pump at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (languages), where this discussion is now ongoing - please have a look and join in there. I really believe my proposed change makes more sense than the way things were before, but I'm perfectly prepared to be convinced :) --Camembert

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Re you question on Talk:Staffordshire "Should this article be called "Staffordshire, England"? " - this is discussed in the Wikipedia style guide. The general rule seems to be to add extra qualifcation only if you have to - outside north America, anyway. London, England gets the London page because it's more famous than London, Ontario. But Boston redirects to Boston, Massachusetts because it's more famous than Boston in England (or "Boston, England" as the convention has it). Andy G 19:46, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

That is correct. In addition the format place, state/country is largely an American English format used primarily in the US, Canada and I think Australia. The rest of the world would say Staffordshire in England or Staffordshire (England). Most users felt the place, state/country format should really only be used to refer to places in the US and Canada because to anyone else around the world, that format is totally foreign and frowned on. FearÉIREANN 19:57, 15 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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I moved your comment from m:Main Page to m:Talk:Inclusionism as the home page of a website is hardly a good place to make personal attacks. Angela 12:54, Oct 19, 2003 (UTC)

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I spent a lot of time on m:Main Page. If you have a problem with it, please tell me, don't just revert it back to that horrible clutter. As I pointed out on talk, all your stuff is still there, it's just been categorised. -- Tim Starling 07:33, Nov 4, 2003 (UTC)

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Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
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To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

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Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)

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