User talk:Kingturtle/Archive4

Contents
1 Anthony
2 Earth in the Balance
3 Buckinghamshire
4 Pep talks
5 I appreciate it
6 Vandal alert
7 Re: Volunteer Fire Dept
8 Careful with updates
9 Time Zone arithmetic
10 Thanks re DYK
11 Redrwan awards
12 Dagestan ban
13 Conversation (of sorts) with Anthony
14 168 de/resysopping
15 Stage names
16 Missing ?

Anthony

Kingturtle, if no one else is going to try to stifle his actions, I have to. He is singling me out and it is very irritating. It seems that there is no one that will try to contain him. Look at all the edit wars he has caused. Plus he has done this to you along with others. I think the word prick is precisley what he is going by the first definition on here: http://www.google.com/search?q=define:prick

Why will no one ban him or do something for his irritating behavior? ChrisDJackson 01:26, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Chris, there is a possibility that Anthony's case will be heard by the newly formed Arbitration Committee. I recommend you state your case at Wikipedia:Matter of Anthony DiPierro evidence. Do not state your case emotionally. Use tact, evidence, honesty, and eloquence. Kingturtle 01:29, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Earth in the Balance

Kingturtle, Anthony continues to disrupt the Earth in the Balance page by removing an important link. The link is to a chapter by chapter compendium of the book. He also keeps reverting the RFK page which the material I used is not copyrighted. Help!ChrisDJackson 23:43, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi! I think the 1729 (number) business has gone on long enough, and I reckon I'm the Wikipedian (and certainly the sysop) with the best background on this. So I'd like to 'impose' a solution, that seems to me most 'encyclopedic'.

Charles Matthews 12:06, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • By all means, please remove the protection and help shape the article. That would be terrific. Kingturtle 17:25, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

That worked well - briefly. A hornet's nest. If you could 'take back' the protection for 1729 (number) and 1729 (anecdote), that would spare me some questioning of my actions, admin-wise.

Charles Matthews 17:12, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi. Please try to avoid using copy and paste to move pages, as it loses page history. I've sorted out Great Mississippi Flood... Morwen 20:14, Mar 7, 2004 (UTC)

  • Ack, I am sorry. It was not intentional. I knew the correct way to do it. Somehow I did it the wrong way. I just wasn't thinking. Strange how the mind can do that sometimes. thanks for fixing it! Kingturtle 20:19, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Gadzooks, sir! I found the article on Issei Sagawa and moved to edit it, only to discover you'd already done so. You move quickly, and I applaud your capable scissors. Denni 23:01, 2004 Mar 7 (UTC)

  • Glad I could help. I try to be bold. Kingturtle 23:03, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Kingturtle. We deleted it accidentally! Owen&rob 23:52, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

please refrain from baiting and insulting other users. please review Wikipedia:Wikiquette. thank you, Kingturtle 03:18, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Have you posted the same message on Stevertigo's page? Marcusvox

No. I did not post the same message on Stevertigo's page. Kingturtle 03:24, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. However, I did act fairly and post a similar message to Stevertigo before you asked me that question. The message was not the same message, however. It was a different one, but made the same recommendation. :) Kingturtle 03:39, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thank you - I was just consulting the proposed Wikipedia:Remove personal attacks article, at which I delivered an incantation. I will go purify myself now by doing minor proofreads, and drinking the other recommended 7 daily cups of water. ;) -SV(talk) 03:27, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Have some for me too! Kingturtle 03:28, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Ain't this cosy? I thought as much. Kingturtle and Severtigo are pals. Again, the no surprises keep on piling up. Marcusvox

Buckinghamshire

The article has been altered as per your suggestion on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. What do you think of it now? Please make your comment on the W:FAC page to keep things neat. -- Graham :) 22:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, I'll see what I'll do about it. it 02:18, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Chris has not gotten better. Nearly every one of his submissions is blatant plagiarism. Anthony 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

See what I am talking about. He thinks that if I add a paragraph that is in question he automatically says that it is plagiarism. ChrisDJackson 04:36, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No, when you copy a paragraph from somewhere without identifying your source that is plagiarism. Anthony 04:49, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Pep talks

Thanks for the pep talks all around. You are helping the situation a great deal. Thanks - Texture 04:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wish us all luck. Chris is ok with non-copyright wording on this first disputed paragraph (or two) and Anthony has not objected. (Although I have not received any reply from repeated requests for comment, changes, or his own alternative.) I am going to unprotect it, ask Chris to move those (or similar non-copyright text) into the article, and ask him to add the next section of interest to the talk page. Any advice? - Texture 04:48, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • I'll be around for about an hour. So I can help you monitor it. Kingturtle 04:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)


I appreciate it

Thanks for noticing that I'm working away. :-) I tend to be so focused on what I'm doing that it's hard to look up and see what's going on out there. You made my evening by being someone who does notice. Nice to hear from someone else who started out in upstate new york and ended up out here in CA. Sleep--huh--sounds familiar--my current insomnia regimen actually prohibits me from climbing into bed until... golly, 11:15! That's 6 minutes from now! I'm outa here. Elf 07:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Vandal alert

Wow! That Bird charactar seems to causing a lot of trouble. Unfortunately, I went to bed before I recieved your firefighting message. I did, however, revert a vandalism this morning (don't know if that was related to bird). Thanks for the notification and keep up the good work! Perl 15:54, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Re: Volunteer Fire Dept

I got your message about the fire department. Sorry about not responding - you posted it at 1:24 AM (EST). I went to bed earlier than usual last night, so I didn't get the message until 9:30 this morning, by which time the crisis had passed. If I had been around, I definitely would have helped. →Raul654 18:04, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

Careful with updates

Hi, King T; you just moved my RfA vote from Wesley to pfortuny in the course of your page-long update -- pls be careful. [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship&diff=2711452&oldid=2711428) +sj+ 23:01, 2004 Mar 10 (UTC)

  • Ack, my apologies. I was going to double check that in a minute. Thanks for beating me to it. Kingturtle 23:08, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • No problem. I figured I was the cause of an edit conflict; thanks for being a gent and trying to reinclude my edits. peace, +sj+

You put your second message on the wrong user page. Anthony 23:50, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Which message? Which page? Kingturtle 23:53, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Stop adding this. Anthony 00:09, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Anthony, all content belongs to wikipedia. the content is not yours. It is part of a historical record. Feel free to use the strike text syntax, or feel free to simply answer my questions, or feel free to ignore my questions. Kingturtle 00:12, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • I don't understand what your problem is. I want to remove it. It's a simple request, and I don't see why you can't grant it. Anthony 00:16, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • I keep a record of all my dialogs, best I can. If you have decided the conversation is over, you can strike your text, ignore what exists, or say "nevermind" or something like that. Kingturtle 00:19, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • I didn't realize that when I contributed this, so I'm making a request to remove it. Anthony 00:21, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • I prefer to keep it. i find that i get confused when i review my past dialogs if parts have been removed. it is difficult to sift through edit histories. talk-page texts can be very useful to arbitration committee investigations. Kingturtle 00:24, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • Can you at least link to the history, rather than put it here? User:Anthony DiPierro 00:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • No. Kingturtle 00:26, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • Why not? Anthony 00:27, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • Read my reply to you dated 00:24, 11 Mar 2004. Kingturtle 00:30, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • A link to the history page would address those concerns. Anthony 00:31, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • Leaving it alone is easier for me. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Kingturtle 00:33, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • I'll do the work for you, if you'd like. I see you added a warning to your page now. That's good, but it wasn't there when I wrote this. Anthony 00:40, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • Thanks for the offer, but I am going to keep it the way it is. Sincerely, Kingturtle 00:42, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
          • So basically you're just being intentionally difficult. Anthony 00:45, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • What exactly are you afraid of? Kingturtle 00:52, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Time Zone arithmetic

Kind of jumped the gun on Wesley and Pfortuny, didn't ya? By my reckoning, 17:12 UTC is still 3 hours in the future. On second thought, never mind -- <grin> -- they were both unanimous! :-) --Uncle Ed 18:25, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Ack, I jumped the gun. I did my math wrong. But I was close :) I'll go do 4 hail-marys and then copyedit 4 random articles! Kingturtle 19:24, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, tortoises are slow so the hare has to give you a head start ;-) --Uncle Ed 21:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Ha! Thanks! I needed a smile today! Kingturtle 22:41, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Kingturtle, just wanted to mention to you that you cut a comment of mine at RfA in voting on Academic Challenger--I'm sure it was unintentional, but I know when I do these things, I like to be told as a reminder to doublecheck things. Anyway, I've restored it, so not a big deal. Hope your day has gone well--thanks for all the work you do here, both in editing articles and helping to shape policy. Jwrosenzweig 01:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Yes, I saw that you did it. I had tried three times to make that post, and each time there was an edit conflict. So I started to feel rushed. Thanks for helping. Kingturtle 01:08, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hi, on the coin pictures should I email him myself for the images I use or are you going to do it all in a block? (I'm probably going to be grabbing a lot of the British ones this evening.) - Hephaestos|§ 02:06, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • I suggest sending a bunch in a block, at the end of a long day :) Kingturtle 02:07, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC) P.S. yes, please feel free to send the email yourself.

I see in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates that you feel Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius needs further editing, but I have no idea what you would like to improve about it. Can you give me some indication, preferably on its talk page? -- Jmabel 07:41, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • I gave the article a spot edit. and i posted comments on its talk page. Kingturtle 21:34, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • I've done my best to deal with the 15 issues you raised. Most of them I feel I've fully addressed, some maybe not. The edits are in the article, and I've tried to summarize in the talk page how, and to what degree, I've addressed each point. Thanks, your questions really helped me strengthen the article. Let me know what you think. -- Jmabel 05:15, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • I've tried to address your more recent comments as well. Because there were several rounds of editing, and comments are all interspersed, it may be easiest tto use a "diff" to find my recent remarks. In particular, please have a look at my latest response to you question number 7, where I'm asking you something back. Also, please see my remarks on the Ulysses article you give as an example. Other than that, I think I've addressed everything you've brought up except for trying to get a more recent citation on how much this has been reprinted. I don't see any online way to do that, and we don't have a good Spanish-language bookstore in Seattle, so it will probably be a while until I have a current citation. Still, I think 15 editions in the first three decades is enough to substantiate this being a much-reprinted work. I would confidently say that "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" is one of Borges's dozen best known works (though probably a little less read than some which are easier reads), but I don't have any citation for that, so I've refrained. Thanks again for engaging on this, your questions have almost all strengthened the article. Do you still feel that it is not up to Featured Article status? -- Jmabel 06:05, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks re DYK

Thanks! You did great swapping out the stub on DYK. Just wanted to let you know you did good. jengod 00:29, Mar 14, 2004 (UTC)

Redrwan awards

They are going to be as famous as the Razzies and i am proud to have inspired them... Muriel 00:21, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Ha! I needed a good laugh today :) Kingturtle 02:22, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dagestan ban

Hi, when you get a chance could you take a look at my comments on User:Dagestan? Thanks, Isomorphic 19:06, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • I posted my reply there. Kingturtle 23:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I have confirmed my suspicion that User:Dagestan is the same person as User:Daniel Nagy. I'm confused by what he says, though. He told me he created User:Dagestan after User:Daniel Nagy was blocked, to see if he'd be able to edit under the new account. The block log doesn't show that - he created User:Dagestan before any block occurred.
Anyway, it sounds like User:Daniel Nagy is currently IP blocked because of the ban on User:Dagestan. Unlike his sock puppet, Daniel Nagy has a record of useful contributions (on Dagestan and other articles.) I will take responsibility for unblocking Dagestan so that Daniel can return. I don't think this will cause any problems. Isomorphic 10:38, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Ok. I support you in your efforts. Thanks working so hard. Kingturtle 16:01, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

So it's OK to trust the judgment of admins, but not that of admin-developers? So you don't want "vigilante groups" (really an open quick consensus finding process) but you accept admins as a "vigilante group"? Please read the proposal again. There's nothing in it about waiting 24 hours. As soon as the required number of votes has been reached, and there's at least 80% agreement, whatever remedy has been proposed can be implemented. This can happen within minutes.

Let's say this proposal had been made by User:Jamesday (who in fact insisted on using a polling system), with the rationale "We need a system to deal with people like —Eloquence who will otherwise engage in vigilantism". Let's be honest here: Would you have opposed this proposal under such a scenario? And if not, would you kindly end your personal vendetta against me?—Eloquence

  • Eloquence, you have misunderstood me. I have no bone to pick with you. Although our views have been on opposite ends of the stick lately, that is not because I have anything against you. I fully respect you as a Wikipedian and as a human being. I have no vendetta against you. I consider myself on the same side as you...not on the same side of all the issues, but on the same side of seeking fairness, seeking quality articles, and seeking a positive environment. When I mentioned vigilante groups, I was not referring to you at all. I just forsee the potential for a French Revolution-style mob scene, in which the be-headers are eventually be-headed. Again, let me emphasize, I have no vendetta against you. We have different views, but I have never had anything less than complete respect for you. Kingturtle 00:24, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • P.S. Yes, I trust the judgment of admins. I can count on one two hand the number of times an admin has taken an action I disagreed with. Therefore, I don't see a need for this extra step in the process. Kingturtle 00:27, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear that. In that case, I do not understand why you so strenuously object to my allegedly "out of process" desysopping of 168... (not really out of process - I've desysopped other users before), who repeatedly violated the protection policy and quite clearly said so, while entrusting sysops with 24 hour bans (a much more drastic measure) without a need for prior community consultation.—Eloquence 01:19, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)

  • That desysopping is one of the rare examples in which I did not agree with the actions of a priveleged user. In my mind, desysopping is much different than a 24-hour ban. A formal process takes place to graduate someone to being an admin, and therefore a formal process should take place to demote someone from being an admin. Maybe a 24 or 48 hour desysopping, I would have supported - but as far as I could tell, the desysopping of 168... was indefinite. Again, although I objected greatly and vocally to your action, I still have complete respect for you. I respect you thoroughly. Kingturtle 01:29, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

A formal process takes place to graduate someone to being an admin, and therefore a formal process should take place to demote someone from being an admin. - like, say, a quickpoll? ;-) —Eloquence

Dear Kingturtle, can you watch over Anthony, i am going to sleep. See his latest edit to his evidence and he remove your comment from the talk page. I am starting to get sick of him. He is probably comming here to see what i wrote and add something... well. Cheers, Muriel 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Muriel, thanks for all your hard work. I'll see what I can do to monitor the situation. Kingturtle 01:58, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Conversation (of sorts) with Anthony

Please do not use reversions as a threat. Please do not use the threat of reversions as a ploy to blackmail another user into saying or doing what you want them too. I am referring directly to you saying to ChrisDJackson "state your sources and i'll stop reverting you." - Kingturtle 01:57, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Anthony DiPierro: "I'm not using reversions as a threat."
    • Yes, anthony, it is an intent to force a user to say or do something, with you threatening to revert until he submits. Cut it out. - Kingturtle 02:01, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • Anthony DiPierro: "again, I didn't threaten reversion, I told him I'd stop reverting if he stated his sources."
        • You did not simply say "state your sources." you said "state your sources and i'll stop reverting you." that is a cause/effect statement. stop using reversions as a tool. - Kingturtle 02:15, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please look at Anthony's evidence. He has a point.—Eloquence

  • Anthony very well may have a point. My concern here is that Anthony is using reversion as a tool and as a form of intimidation. Anthony's end (discovering a possible instance of plagerism) does not justify his means (reversion and threat of further reversion). Kingturtle 02:25, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • There is nothing wrong with reverting plagiarism. And I did not threaten to revert. I promised to stop reverting if certain conditions were met. There's nothing wrong with that either. Anthony DiPierro 02:38, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wait a second. Protecting Wikipedia:Matter of Anthony DiPierro evidence is absolutely unfair. Ban one or both of the people fighting over it, but you can't protect that page. Anthony DiPierro 02:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • He can protect anything he wants. This will just add to your list of contributed edit wars. You have a great track record, really. ChrisDJackson 02:39, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
    • Anthony, I just unprotected that page. I didn't realize there was a special rule for Wik in effect. Kingturtle 02:43, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
      • You apparently reprotected it. Anthony DiPierro 11:06, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
        • Someone else beat me to it moments earlier, so when I clicked on what I thought was the "Remove protection" button, it was actually the "Protect this page" button. The buttons appear in the exact same spot on the page, and there is not fail safe such as "Are you sure?" Kingturtle 14:37, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I would love to take some actions here, but my hands are tied. Are you still sure you object to that quickpolls idea?—Eloquence 02:41, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

  • you make a strong argument. i am very close to jumping onto the side of the YEAS. Kingturtle 02:43, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

168 de/resysopping

Hey, how's your journey through the bureaucracy going? ;-) I hope you understand my position a little better now.—Eloquence

Stage names

Thanks, but my edits pale in comparison to your edit list. Iam 02:08, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)

Missing ?

Hi KT, at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians you added User:Tucci528 (better known as User:TUF-KAT) and User:Vera Cruz (better known as User:Lir). Neither one is really missing. Maximus Rex 05:32, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)

  • Ha! What do you know! You learn something new everyday! :) Kingturtle 05:33, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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