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I do not yet use archives, you can check history. I delete parts that are not useful any longer. Get-back-world-respect 01:35, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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INTERNATIONAL LAW ON THE USE OF FORCE

The international legal rules governing the use of force take as their starting point Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter, which prohibits any nation from using force against another. The charter allows for only two exceptions to this rule: when force is required in self-defense (Article 51) or when the Security Council authorizes the use of force to protect international peace and security (Chapter VII).

ARTICLE 51 AND THE ARGUMENT FOR PRE-EMPTIVE SELF-DEFENSE The first exception, self-defense, has long been discussed and debated among international legal scholars. Although the text of Article 51 explicitly provides only for "the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs," over the years, scholars have expanded the required trigger for self-defense to include both when an armed attack occurs and when an armed attack is imminent. The legal definition of "imminent" has grown out of an 1837 incident in which British troops attacked the ship Caroline, which U.S. citizens were using to take supplies to Canadian rebels fighting British rule. In his much-quoted analysis of the confrontation years later, then-Secretary of State Daniel Webster argued that the use of force in self-defense is justified when the need for action is "instant, overwhelming, and leaving no choice of means, and no moment for deliberation." Webster's criteria subsequently became the standard in international law.

But such circumstances—in which an armed attack occurs or is imminent—do not aptly describe the current Iraqi crisis. And so President George W. Bush, over the past several months, has introduced a new category of self-defense—pre-emptive self-defense—that he claims is legally justified in the new post-Sept. 11 world.

Bush first planted the roots of the argument for pre-emptive self-defense in his address to the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 12, 2002, when he said, "The first time we may be completely certain [Saddam Hussein] has a nuclear weapon is when, God forbid, he uses one. We owe it to all our citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from coming."

Five days later, he spelled out the case for pre-emptive self-defense more fully and forcefully in his National Security Strategy, now known as the "Bush Doctrine," in which he vowed to defend:

The United States, the American people, and our interests at home and abroad by identifying and destroying the threat before it reaches our borders. While the United States will constantly strive to enlist the support of the international community, we will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively against such terrorists, to prevent them from doing harm against our people and our country….Given the goals of rogue states and terrorists, the United States can no longer solely rely on a reactive posture as we have in the past. The inability to deter a potential attacker, the immediacy of today's threats, and the magnitude of potential harm that could be caused by our adversaries' choice of weapons, do not permit that option. We cannot let our enemies strike first….For centuries, international law recognized that nations need not suffer an attack before they can lawfully take action to defend themselves against forces that present an imminent danger of attack. Legal scholars and international jurists often conditioned the legitimacy of pre-emption on the existence of an imminent threat—most often a visible mobilization of armies, navies, and air forces preparing to attack. We must adapt the concept of imminent threat to the capabilities and objectives of today's adversaries….The United States has long maintained the option of pre-emptive actions to counter a sufficient threat to our national security. The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction—and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy's attack. To forestall or prevent such hostile acts by our adversaries, the United States will, if necessary, act pre-emptively.

Bush pursued this line of argument again in his Jan. 28, 2003, State of the Union address, saying, "Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option."

But critics of Bush's argument point out that the notion of pre-emptive self-defense is not mentioned in Article 51 of the U.N. Charter and is therefore illegal under international law. Moreover, some have noted, Article 51 allows for self-defense "until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." This suggests that the right to self-defense exists only when there is no time to take the issue before the Security Council, and that if there is time for deliberation, the use of force is not justified. In the case at hand, the threat posed by Iraq has neither occurred nor is imminent, and time clearly exists to take the case to the Security Council. Thus, many claim, there is currently no legal justification for using force against Iraq in self-defense.

This is a study by Rachel S. Taylor, World Press Review associate editor, you can find the whole text at [1] (http://www.worldpress.org/specials/iraq/)

You may also want to have a look at my argumentation - shorter and easier to read - at the GWBush archive page no. 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:George_W._Bush/Archive_5). Get-back-world-respect, 27, Mar 2004

I responded to you on my talk page - check it out some time. Rei

"Freedom fries"

You really should get rid of the "Freedom fries" remark on your user page, at least if you want to be taken seriously by any Americans at all. A lot of people outside the U.S. seem to have the impression (from their local media, I suspect) that this "action" by Congress is somehow representative of current usage or was taken up by most Americans...actually, most Americans consider it a stupid joke at best, and a dangerously alienating move at worse. The term has simply not been adopted by 99.99% of the public -- the comparison with "frankfurters to hot dogs" is so inaccurate it's laughable.

Why do you not sign this? I know that most people in the US think it is laughable. However, the decision was taken, an act completely unthinkable in Germany. And many other examples, such as the New York Post's titles of "Frog-eating weasels", the Washington Post's "Annan's Offense" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39937-2003Mar27.html), and The New York Times' and International Herald Tribune's "Chirac's Latest Ploy" (http://www.iht.com/ihtsearch.php?id=94336&owner=(NYT)&date=20030424180813) - recently the same William Safire wrote "Hang in there, Rummy!" (http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,299191,00.html) - show that the US general attitude towards international criticism was a shame for your country. Get-back-world-respect 09:24, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Language project (http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444e1w/vokeng.htm)

Strangely, enough, I have also written a program for learning vocabulary. I used VBA but then ported it to SprintDB so it runs on my Pocket PC. I've learned about 850 Korean words since last spring, using it. --Uncle Ed 14:31, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Great. Are you a programmer? My program does not work with Korean signs. Why do you learn Korean? Get-back-world-respect 23:28, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm also interested in this project as you asked. However I can not promise 100% commitment simply because lack of time, but I'll try to participate as much as possible.--Kulkuri 12:53, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Cool. I have just finished the English version (although a lot remains to be done) and created a zip file. You can now try the program. The easiest thing to start with for improvements would be adding new vocabulary, sound files or images. A guide to the program will follow soon, although I think it is rather self-explanatory. Get-back-world-respect 14:13, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm quite busy already :( Good luck with your project, anyway. Fredrik 00:44, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but almost all of my free time is taken by Wikipedia, and I am slowly learning my way around here. I'll check back every now and then and see how your project goes. Good Luck, and thanks for asking -- chris 73 | Talk 10:26, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Astonished and delighted to encounter someone who shares my appreciation for both Jack London and John Collier, but I regret to say I'm not interested in participating in development of your vocabulary program. Dpbsmith 13:41, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi. I don't think I would have the time at present to assist in this project as I'm in two other WikiProjects which still need a lot of ongoing work to be done. As well, with spring finally here, I will have less time for Wikipedia in general. Good luck with your project. RedWolf 16:51, Apr 25, 2004 (UTC)

Er you lost me at It is written in QBasic. I know nothing about computers! -- Graham :) | Talk 23:47, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Oh, nothing wrong with that. While improvements on the programming are badly needed progress can be made in the other areas as well, such as adding sound or image files, new vocabulary or even new topics such as anatomy, chemistry or whatever you want to learn with a question and answer scheme. Get-back-world-respect 23:52, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Very interesting work on the vocabulary project. I'll have to look at it more closely again when I have more time. I'll try to get to the oil-for-food article shortly too. 172 07:49, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think I can be of any help in your project, though it sounds worthy. The only thing being a bureaucrat means is that I could make you a sysop, and I don't really see how that would aid you in what you need to do. Even if it did, you'd still have to go through the requests for adminship page over there. I fear Wikibooks might be too young to be of much use, as I think only a few modules have a glossary. Tuf-Kat 04:51, May 7, 2004 (UTC)

I thought you could advise me how to link my project best to wikibooks. Is see some problems in how the images and sound files could be included. And do you think I could create a new section on the front page for it? Up to now wikibooks is divided into sections for all languages, so i would need to include the lists in every single section. But given my project is based on learning the languages "from within" it is kind of a universal thing, users with any mother tongue can use the same lists. Get-back-world-respect 15:28, 7 May 2004 (UTC)
Oh, okay, I misinterpreted your question. As far as structure goes, Wikibooks is too new to have anything firm in place, but I'd recommend placing a link to a page for the project at the languages bookshelf, perhaps in a separate section. Soon enough, Wikibooks will be organized with separate wikis for different languages, same as Wikipedia and Wikibooks are now, so you will need to maintain the project separately on each language Wikibooks. What problems do you see with uploading images and sound files? I'm not sure I can quite envision what you desire, so I'm not sure exactly what you need help with. In any case, it is probably best to just get started, since the format projects begin with almost always changes several times before settling down, no matter how much preparation goes into it. Tuf-Kat 19:10, May 7, 2004 (UTC)

I had seen your user page already, and I think this is a cool idea, but doubt I can help much with it. My speech is slurred and I have found that I am not very good at teaching Spanish to my friends ;-) Keep me posted, though. — Miguel 23:28, 2004 May 9 (UTC)

Dear Get-back-world-respect thank you for considering me to be able in helping on the technical aspects of your learning project. The truth is: I'm constantly struggeling with the technical possibilities of the Wikimedia software. But as your Vokabelprogramm is hostet in Berlin (HU), so are you? If this is the case then I'd recommend yor visiting one of the next meetings in Berlin, for direct exchange on this issue. There are usually technically experienced users present. Greetings --SteffenB 15:29, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Get-back-world-respect 23:20, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't really be much help. My time is limited at the moment and I don't know anything about other languages or programming. I might have look later though, when I have more time. Deus Ex 17:28, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wikibooks page for vocab program

The program looks fine. (how about creating a windows installer for it?) It's not obvious how to contribute, however. Why not create a wikibooks page for vocab lists? There are many uses for such lists; the relevant language-teaching wikibooks will link there, and you'll get the advantage of efforts from various WB editors. then you can do diffs b/t that list and the one you use in your program. +sj+ 22:58, 2004 May 6 (UTC)

Good idea about the vocabulary lists at wikibook, thanks. Might work with images and sound as well. What is a windows installer? Do you have an idea how I could find someone who would improve on the program? Get-back-world-respect 23:02, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
Try Nullsoft's free installer-maker (http://nsis.sourceforge.net/home/); elegant and easy to use. And let me know when you start a WB project for this; I have some chinese and japanese vocablists to add, if I can find them. +sj+ 23:35, 2004 May 6 (UTC)
Ah, that is an installer. And I was already so proud about my zip-file putting the files into the right archives. Your suggestion is good for friends, but the program as it is now needs winamp and LxPics. Do I have the right to make an installer that includes them and make that available online? I think even if the programs are free, including them in a package would not be allowed. Get-back-world-respect 23:47, 6 May 2004 (UTC)
you're right. you'd have to say 'install the following two progs as directed, then install this. I think... there might be a better wrapper-type way to do it all in one package. +sj+ 08:40, 2004 May 8 (UTC)
I give insructions on how to install on my vocabulary project page (http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444e1w/vokeng.htm). Could you give me advice how to improve on this? What do you mean with a wrapper-style? I thought maybe if I ask winamp and LxPics they allow me to pack it together? Get-back-world-respect 01:54, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
You know, if you do things the wiki way, they'll get improved faster.  :::# make a wikibooks project for this.
  1. start a wikibook page for it.
  2. Put the instructions, and link to the downloadable file, on that page.
  3. Then I can help make your instructions better, and you'll start getting many more direct comments on what to use to improve the install process.
  4. Then link to individual wordlists, so people can add to them right on the wiki
  5. Finally, link to the wikibooks project from this discussion, so we can all find it!
+sj+ 07:00, 2004 May 10 (UTC)
(as for the 'wrapper-style' comment -- I mean, the best way to get people to install your software, is to have a single-file download which unpacks itself, then has a README or an interface that tells you what to do next... you might try asking winamp and LxPics for permission, yes. +sj+)
Stefan Peichl (LxPic) and winamp allowed me to include their programs! But Microsoft does not allow the redistribution of QBASIC.EXE (http://www.microsoft.com/permission/copyrgt/cop-soft.htm#Free). Some wiktionary guys suggested to use python (http://www.ulg.ac.be/cifen/inforef/swi/download/python_notes.pdf), which is open source and which would allow to use it with Linux as well. I will look into that. I will follow the rest of your plan as soon as possible. Get-back-world-respect 00:43, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
Python's excellent. Pygame (http://www.pygame.org) can be used along with it for video, audio, and that kind of stuff. Fredrik 20:09, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
Super. (: thanks for keeping at this. Looking forward to the wikibooks project... then you can post to the wikibooks VP, or maybe to en: Goings-on, and get people excited & involved.
The first wikibook pages are already linked to the project, the portuguese numbers: from German (http://wikibooks.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Portugiesisch:_numerais), from French (http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Enseignement_du_portugais:_numerais), and from English (http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Portuguese:Numbers) and commands for rueda de casino salsa dancing in german (http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Tanzen:_Salsa:_Rueda_de_Casino). Get-back-world-respect 17:58, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Dear Get-back-world-respect, your project seams interesting and I heard of the concept of learning languages by sentences many times when I learned foreign languages. Unfortunately I am quite busy with my Ph.D. these days and probably will be till October 2004. I must confess that I don't like qbasic very much, actually after Basic v.2 of my Commodore 64 I never touched any high-level language. When I finished this ... Ph.D. I will help you to add some languages. I can you provide texts and sound in Polish and Italian, for the other languages I know (French, German and English) I don't think you need help, anyway I cannot provide you with a good pronounciation. Chopinhauer 00:05, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I do not like qbasic either, it was just the only language I had ony my computer when I started the project as a twelve-year old. I already found some guys who showed interest and hope to relaunch the program rewritten in some valuable language like java or C++. Someone here suggested python. Get-back-world-respect 01:00, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I like the looks of your vocabulary project, from what I've seen so far. It's a good idea, even if the language is a bit...shall I put it politely...inadequate. But this has been pointed out many times by larger minds than mine. :P Lord Bob 01:21, Jun 4, 2004 (UTC)
The small (very small) handful of programming I know would be almost completely inappropriate for the job, so I couldn't help you getting it to a better format. BASIC works, it's just not great, if you get what I'm saying. Lord Bob 01:27, Jun 4, 2004 (UTC)

A/V equip?

Hi again! If you have any A/V equipment or are interested in taking targeted photos for WP, please add yourself to the m:Press Corps lists. +sj+ 11:31, 2004 May 14 (UTC)


About a Language learning Wikibook

Hello, I´m Javier, an user from the Spanish Wikipedia. I read the information you wrote about the software you created for Language learning. It would be very interesting if you mention it in the Wikibook:Cómo aprender lenguas (http://wikibooks.org/wiki/C%C3%B3mo_aprender_lenguas), I think that you could give very interesting views from your experience. Here is my User Talk Page (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usuario_Discusi%F3n:Javier_Carro)

Thanks for the invitation to your software. Even though I am not much talented with learning languages, by coincidence I have just started to learn Thai. But I am not sure if your software is already prepared for that one (but I haven't checked it out yet either) - either it needs to supoport the special Thai alphabet (which has it own difficulties for learning), or in one of many romanizations. The tone levels however are not easy to add to the romanized text, but are quite important for learning to speak it correctly. But it could be interesting to make it work. andy 18:17, 19 May 2004 (UTC)

I am afraid qbasic is not the best alternative when you want to use letters that do not exist in the English alphabet. It is already kind of troublesome if you want to use accents or Umlaute and edit the files with a normal editor instead of within the program. But in the long run the program will be rewritten in another programming language. Get-back-world-respect 00:17, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, I'm a native English speaker, so I'm afraid I can't be much help in that respect... --Delirium 19:49, May 23, 2004 (UTC)

Even better, than you have experience learning a more difficult language like greek as a second language. Even if you are bilingual I guess your parents did not speak to you using two different alphabets? Get-back-world-respect 19:57, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that protected page listing; I have very little experience with this sort of thing. As for the language program, I took a few years of high school Latin, but I've pretty much lost all of it; also, I can't program. But if I can help, I'll do what I can. Yours, Meelar 14:17, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Easiest way to help for an english native would be to correct errors in the english vocabulary list eng1.dat in the zip file that can be found at the learning project side (http://amor.rz.hu-berlin.de/~h0444e1w/vokeng.htm). If you want you could also add pronunciation files. For sound you need to add #name of file# to the data set. An example is in the french list fra3.dat:

une mégčre#megere#
une femme hargneuse, acariâtre et méchante#femmehar#
0
where the sound files megere.wav and femmehar.wav are executed when this vocabulary is asked for. So you could create a pronunciation file for hawk.wav for example, and change the current entry for "hawk" in eng1.dat
a hawk
*adler
0
where *adler activates an image of a hawk to
a hawk#hawk#
*adler
0
For new words you could also add more pictures or use definitions or clozes as is done with the other languages. By the way, the zeros in the numbers in the data files mean how well a word has been learned, the very first number indicates how many attempts have already been made with the whole file altogether. For "dead" languages like latin I am afraid things that cannot be learned with pictures need to be learned with direct translations from the user's mother tongue. If you have something to add send it to me in an email and I add it to the zip-file. Would it not be fun to know that people start learning english with your pronunciation? Get-back-world-respect 21:35, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Hello. I have some reasons to think that your programm will not work on a macintosh.... But that is interesting, I will advertise it on fr: Greetings. SweetLittleFluffyThing

That is right, up to now there is no mac version, but I am working on it. These pages seem to deal with the problem: ("Basic interpreter which runs on almost all Macs") (http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/basic) ("linux application that enables the Linux OS to run many DOS programs") (http://www.dosemu.org) [2] (http://basic.foundries.sourceforge.net/) [3] (http://www.robotstore.com/download/Stamps_on_iMac_2.13.pdf) Get-back-world-respect 18:36, 29 May 2004 (UTC)


Wikiversity et al

Mav is much interested in this. See m:Wikiversity, or see the sidebar link (http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikiversity) in Wikibooks ... or search there for "Translation project". +sj+ 18:32, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)


translation: newsletter, meta-uploading, more...

Hi GBWR! There is a lot of new global translation to be done in the next week; let me know if you're free to talk about it or help out. Cheers, m:User:Sj (write me on my meta page)

Left you a note on meta about translation. If mav didn't get back to you, it's probably b/c he's very busy... +sj+

Organised persecution of ethnic Germans

Please have a look at this, I think its a very anti-German article, and is now a redirect to something even worse. Sam [Spade (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new)] 15:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The redirect is a joke. What do you consider anti-German in the article? Seems to me as if it was written by a German as the relative clauses are separated with commas like in German. Get-back-world-respect 01:14, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps the article itself isn't anti-german, but theres alot more on this subject which should be there. I am no expert, but I watched a documentary program on this subject recently, and there were alot of horrible abuses (raping, people nailed to barns by their ears, random shootings and murders, etc...) after the war, and often against german speakers who had lived in e europe or russia prior to the war (as well as others of course). I assumed the article had been written by the same folks who redirected it, because it is so sparse, when so much material is available. Like I said tho, I'm no expert, I've simply seen a documentary and a few scarps of info hjere and there over the years. Sam [Spade (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new)] 01:34, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I have heard about such things from a reliable friend but I have never seen anything like this in the media. It is a kind of taboo in Germany to speak about injustice that was done to Germans in the context of the war. The holocaust is omnipresent at school and in the media, and people are still so ashamed of it that most regard it awkward to talk about anything unjust that was done to Germans. In the German version I was called a Nazi when I wanted to add to Nuremberg Trials the fact that no Allied war crimes were ever tried. Here we have a whole paragraph about criticism of the trial. Get-back-world-respect 23:19, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I understand, I am in Germany. I only discuss the war with my closest friends. But there is no reason to be unfair. Abuse is abuse, and it is racist to only care for one side's suffering. Sam [Spade (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit&section=new)] 23:24, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)


Thank you for bringing up this point. I feel a bit ashamed of the fact you let me know that I am among the 1000 Wikipedians with most edits although I should use my time to finally get my diploma. As for the licenses I see the point for images because each image has its own page and can easily get attached its own information concerning the license. For text I do not think it makes any sense to have different users with different licenses. I do not believe in public domain for wikipedia as I have already gotten several advertisements for apparently commercial online encyclopedia that seemed to steel most of their content from wikipedia. Get-back-world-respect 19:28, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year, indeed!

Hi GBWR, thank you for the kind words and kind wishes. I hope you and your loved ones also had a wonderful holiday and a fine New Year. I spent a quiet holiday at home with my wife and kids, and that's the way I like it. My older daughter has demanded a live (not cut) tree the last half-dozen or so Christmases, and they are filling up our back yard. This year I could not find a decent Spruce tree or similar conical fir, but I got a small but nice Holly bush, which my wife loves. It wouldn't take many decorations, so our Hibiscus (it has to come indoors in winter) took the rest.

This all must sound silly. I know trees don't have central nervous systems or feelings or care whether they are cut down, but it seems a shame to grow and cut all those beautiful trees and then see them left out in the trash a few weeks later. Ah, well.

I know you'll do well in your tests. You'll probably tell the Professor about twice as much as he wanted to know. ;-) You are right about my main namespace edits. It's worse because I have discovered that when I am busy writing or editing articles on trains or history or literature I am happy; when I am embroiled in stupid arguments over politics or policy I am unhappy. So I am resolved to edit more and war less. All warm wishes, Cecropia | explains it all ® 01:43, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Dietrich Grönemeyer

Thanks re Talk:Dietrich Grönemeyer - pls see reply there. 138.37.188.109 16:39, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Roselló

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Hi GBWR! I noticed that you requested for an image of the flag of Rosselló (Roussillon). I understand that you refer only to the Catalan countries, not the French region of Languedoc-Roussillon. See if this image suits your needs; if you were indeed talking about the Languedoc-Roussillon flag, let me know at my Talk page and I'll see what I can get you. Hugs! -- Shauri 16:38, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

FAC

Hello, please check out Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs if you get a chance, it is up for a vote here but needs a few more votes in order to reach a consensus. Thanks, 205.217.105.2 18:58, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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