Talk:West Indies Federation

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 the link to St. Vincent and Turcs & Caicos Islands should be dissolved into two independent links, one for St. Vincent, one for the Turcs & Caicos Islands.
 the links for Trinidad and for Tobago should be merged into one link for Trinidad & Tobago

(the latter administratively was placed under Tobago in 1888). A Ganse

Statement: One from ten leaves nought?

Question in this article, it states that Dr. Eric Williams of Trinidad stated the "One from ten leaves nought" statement. Is this for sure that it was Mr. Eric Williams? Wasn't this actually stated by the Jamaican Premier?

As I understand it *Jamaica* claimed that the other "small islands" were like "9 suckling pigs" on the "Mother Pig"(Jamaica)/the Jamaican economy and that based on their level of "importance" they deemed that of the 10 islands- they were actually the "1" from the two numbers that made up ten, and if they leave that leaves "zero" or 'nobodies'.

As I further understanded, when Trinidad left, didn't Dr. Eric Williams actually state "nought from nought leaves nothing." Meaning if Jamaica was the "1" from the number 10, then Trinidad and Tobago was the remaining "0". Which gave birth to the idea for a Federation of the "Little 8"?

Ofcourse by then Barbados left and The W.I Federation fell apart further after that pretty much leaving the OECS countries??? CaribDigita 17:34, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Not sure about the other aspects, but Williams is widely quoted with the statement, I have heard a tape of bits of the speech where he said this, and Tony Deyal even mentions it in a piece that was either published in or mirror by the Jamaica Gleaner here (http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20020114/cleisure/cleisure2.html). Guettarda 19:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Then wouldn't that mean T&T had left the Federation first and not Jamaica?
Not that this has any relivence, as with any event that happend if you ask about 10 different persons that were there I mean, you will get about 10 different renditions to the story.

According to this source I came across. It's supposed to be the transcript of a speech from the Association of Caribbean States (ACS) Secretary General and "professor" in 2002. Speech (http://www.acs-aec.org/una.htm) it states T&T left the W.I. Federation first, before Jamaica by about a week's time, which constradicts most of the information out there? But this could very well support the information about Dr. Eric Williams stating "1 from ten leaves nought." CaribDigita 21:26, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bahamas?

I take it that the Bahamas were not a part of the federation. If that's correct, why didn't they join? If anyone knows the reason, it would be nice to throw in a sentence about it.

I think the Bahamas were mostly seen as loyalist? CaribDigita 23:23, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Independence?

Was the West Indies Federation formally granted independence as a Dominion/Commonwealth realm (whatever they called it then) upon its creation? The fact that it had a Governor-General seems to indicate as much. But most of its members became British colonies again upon dissolution. What's the story? --Jfruh 16:05, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

AFAIK they were not granted full independence - from some declassified State Department memos I was looking at, when Eric Williams tried to force the US to withdraw from its bases in Trinidad the British government re-assured the US that if Williams became too extreme in his demands they (the UK) could remove him from power. Since this was during the Federation (1960, if I remember correctly) I would infer that the Federation was not independent. Other than that I just have negative proof - that I have never heard of an independence ceremony (which, if it had happened would have been in Trinidad, since the Federal capital was there) and the fact that most of the islands reverted to being British possessions after dissolution. Guettarda 15:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

The idea was the federation would be established and would later become independent as one nation. It dissolved before that happened.

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