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Well I made your table work. It's got some flaws in it, though, including that it's too wide for most monitors. What I don't understand, though, is why you want this info in a table to begin with. --Koyaanis Qatsi

I'd note that it also seems to lack Pittsylvania County, and I'm to lazy to edit the darn table and insert in the correct order. --Ben Brumfield

King George County is missing, too. -- isis 12 Sep 2002

This table is MUCH too large. It would be just as useful as a bulleted list. -- Zoe


Who says West Virginia isn't constitutional?

United States Constitution, Article IV, section 3: "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."
Of course, the fact that one of the states involved did not consider itself to be a member of the US at the time was probably a mitigating factor. --Brion

I'm moving this here in case anyone wants to put it back on the subject page.

. A partial list of cities follows:

List of Virginia counties:
Accomack County, Virginia Albemarle County, Virginia Alleghany County, Virginia Amelia County, Virginia Amherst County, Virginia
Arlington County, Virginia Augusta County, Virginia Bedford County, Virginia Botetourt County, Virginia Brunswick County, Virginia
Buchanan County, Virginia Campbell County, Virginia Caroline County, Virginia Carroll County, Virginia Charles City County, Virginia
Charlotte County, Virginia Chesterfield County, Virginia Clarke County, Virginia Craig County, Virginia Culpeper County, Virginia
Cumberland County, Virginia Dickenson County, Virginia Essex County, Virginia Fairfax County, Virginia Fauquier County, Virginia
Floyd County, Virginia Fluvanna County, Virginia Franklin County, Virginia Frederick County, Virginia Giles County, Virginia
Gloucester County, Virginia Goochland County, Virginia Grayson County, Virginia Greene County, Virginia Halifax County, Virginia
Hanover County, Virginia Henrico County, Virginia Henry County, Virginia Highland County, Virginia Isle Of Wight County, Virginia
James City County, Virginia King William County, Virginia Lancaster County, Virginia Lee County, Virginia Loudoun County, Virginia
Louisa County, Virginia Mecklenburg County, Virginia Middlesex County, Virginia Montgomery County, Virginia Nelson County, Virginia
New Kent County, Virginia Northampton County, Virginia Northumberland County, Virginia Orange County, Virginia Page County, Virginia
Patrick County, Virginia Prince William County, Virginia Pulaski County, Virginia Richmond County, Virginia Roanoke County, Virginia
Rockbridge County, Virginia Rockingham County, Virginia Scott County, Virginia Shenandoah County, Virginia Smyth County, Virginia
Spotsylvania County, Virginia Stafford County, Virginia Tazewell County, Virginia Washington County, Virginia Westmoreland County, Virginia
Wise County, Virginia Wythe County, Virginia York County, Virginia    

The first permanent English settlement in the New World was at Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607. Virginia formally rejoined the Union on January 26, 1970 after a period of post-war military rule.

Err... might want to fill in a bit in the middle there. --Brion 02:54 Jan 27, 2003 (UTC)
All in due course. --mav

1970? -- Zoe


I have a problem with the color in the current VA flag image. It's a bit too light! I have lived in VA for almost two years now and have seen the state flag with a color of blue that looks like the blue is in the US or UK flags. --hoshie

I contacted the VA Lt. Gov's office and they told me that the blue was a deep blue or an indigo blue. Take it as you will. --hoshie
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Independent cities only in VA?

I take exception to the statement:

Unlike any other state of the Union, under the laws in effect in Virginia, all municipalities incorporated as cities are independent of any county.

I grew up in Ohio in the '70s. Unless something has changed since my Ohio History class in 1978, Ohio's incorporated cities are also independent legal entities and are not considered a part of the county that contains them. Common talk may suggest that Youngstown, say, is "in" Mahoning County, OH, but such is also said of Fairfax (city) being "in" Fairfax County, VA. -- Jeff Q 07:05, 3 May 2004 (UTC)

A few days ago, I removed the "unlike any other state" claim completely, in lieu of any accurate data on how common or uncommon such laws were in the US. -- Jeff Q 05:50, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Re: Independent cities only in VA?

You are mistaken about the status of incorporated cities in the State of Ohio. Cities remain part of the county or counties in which they are incorporated. Cities in Ohio still get at minimum 2 key services from their county government: special education for handicapped students, and appeals courts.

Cleveland, for example, is both an incorporated city and the seat of Cuyahoga County. The Cuyahoga County government gets no say in how the city builds or maintains its roads, runs its schools, nor its tax rates. The county runs the schools for the mentally handicapped and developmentally delayed students, as it does for all jurisdictions in the county, such as Parma, Brooklyn, South Euclid, and Lyndhurst. The county courts also act as an appellate court to the city courts.

So though cities in Ohio act largely autonomously from the counties in which they lay, they are not geopolitally separate entities from their counties. Your example of the City of Fairfax, VA being "in" Fairfax County is accurate only insofar as the City is completely surrounded by the County. The County has no say whatsoever in the affairs of the City.

Virginia Cities, by law, must build and maintain their own roads, must provide police protection, and must establish a school system separate from the county's. Cities get no funding or support whatsoever from the county or counties from which they were formed.

Some Virginia Primary Roads, specifically, US 29, US 50, VA 123, VA 236, & VA 237, pass through the City of Fairfax, and the VA Dept of Transportation (VDOT) has the responsibility to plow those roads, and is technically responsible for their upkeep. More usually the city plows the roads, and the state gives a small payment to the city to take care of maintenance. A few years back, in the City of Falls Church, VDOT improved VA 7 through the city. In a joint City/State effort, utilities along the road were buried, the road improved with better curbs, gutters, sidewalks, and crosswalks. No such improvements happened along VA 7 in Fairfax County, as the county is fully dependent on the State for such, and limited in its ability to fund road construction.

Cities in VA are ineligible to turn their secondary roads over to the state, as all the Counties, save for Arlington and Henrico, have. In the counties where VDOT maintains all the roads, every road in the county which is not a VA Primary Road (route number 599 or lower) is numbered as a VA Secondary Road. Secondary Roads are numbered in each county, starting at 600, and counting up from there as each new road is incorporated into the state road system.

The other Independent Cities in the US are Baltimore, MD; Saint Louis, MO; Anchorage, AK; and Carson City, NV. None of those is part of a county, nor merged with their county as the City and County of San Francisco or the City and County of Philadelphia are.

Virginia is the last state to have split its electoral vote in a Presidential Election, in 1916.

This is just plain wrong, so I removed it. See http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/votes/1917_1921.html#1916.

Terms for Governor

I am a Virginia resident and there needs to be mention of the term limits for Governor, but even I myself don't have enough knowledge about this. I know a Governor cannot run again for a next term, but he OR she may be able to run again in the future as long as that person is not an incumbent. Someone needs to research this and mention it in the article. Also, someone definitely needs to put in the article that the Lieutenant Governor can run for 2 terms, consecutive or non-consecutive.

The term "commonwealth"

I edited a recent change to the intro sentence that implied the term "commonwealth" is simply a name. Indeed, in one sense that is true, as Virginia is of course a state of the United States just like the others; however, there is a historical provenance to the fact Virginia, Maine, Kentucky and... dangit, I forgot the other one, anyway, there is at least a theoretical or academic difference between a "commonwealth" and other forms of state governments. For this reason I modified the intro sentence to reflect this a bit more. --Ryanaxp 19:13, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

According to the link to commonwealth this page, "The U.S. states of Kentucky, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and Virginia call themselves commonwealths. In these cases, this is merely a name and has no legal impact." So I'm changing it back--Fantrl 14:44, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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