Talk:The Powerpuff Girls

The girls are sickeningly cute and incredibly powerful.

Is the word "sickeningly" allowed, under the NPOV rule? ;) -- Oliver Pereira

Maybe a word with less POV could be used. Using that word leaves a clear meaning that may have nothing to do with a point of view. It is emphasizing the word "cute". Another good word does not come to mind, but someone can think of one. Maybe "extremely cute?" Maybe they are *supposed* to be sickeningly cute and then it isn't an NPOV violation at all! -- RM

Are you sure it is Townsville, *USA*? I watch the show alot and they never mention where Townsville is. It is possible that the dubbers cut it ofcourse. --BL

Not if you watch it in English, since it's made in English. --Charles A. L. 15:16, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)

The episode with the 'fish-balloon' monster and the Powerpuff mech thing mentions, at the beginning, that just about the only American thing it doesn't have is Mt. Rushmore, or something to that effect. I believe there's also references to the PPG Townsville being in the US in the episode with the alien broccoli. This is just my hazy memory, though. ^^' --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 21:22, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

Oh, found one more bit of evidence. Townsville Hall has the American flag over it. So there you go. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 08:51, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

In one episode yhey move to "Citysvile" throu giant red bridge with the same architecture as SF's. of cource it is US, where else coud it be SU? There is Townsvile in Australia, however witjout giant red bridge that looks like SF's

Some critics claim that the Powerpuff Girls are icons of "third-wave feminism".

Who said that? --Notyetbotheredtoregister

I know Mojo Jojo shows up way more than Him, but don't they say that Him is the most evil person in the world? Wouldn't he be more accurately described as the archenemy? - Branddobbe

Perhaps, but even though Him is the most evil, Mojo Jojo causes more trouble for the girls. I think that's what matters. Him apparently spends most of his time cackling evily down in his lair or something... --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 08:51, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

The definition for enemy, Sparky, is one who hates the other person. God knows, maybe Mojo Jojo hates the girls more than Him does. Marcus2 16:13, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)

third wave feminism - counting from when? 1920s wave? 1960s wave? Ironically, I live in Townsville, Australia :)

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Dear PMelvilleAustin:

Please forgive me for being so rude to you, I deeply regret it. Now, let's discuss the new issue calmly.

The quote "The show is a runaway smash hit, and over a billion dollars of merchandise was sold even before the movie release.", is indeed a quote that can be contradicted.

From what I know, the show used to be pretty popular, but I don't think it was ever popular enough to be a smash hit. Also, not many things make it to one billion dollars or over, except for Bill Gates perhaps. And as for the movie, it did very poorly, only $11,000,000.

And right now, Cartoon Network now limits "The Powerpuff Girls" to weekends, and on top of that, little of the merchandise is advertised or even on sale. As a matter of fact, I've hated the show for a long time. I can't stand their violence, their stupidity, and their stupid emotionally expressed faces at certain times. Please excuse my POV, it's a free country, and I have every right to express my opinion.

Please tell me why you think your statement is valid.

--65.73.0.137

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You may hate it but that doesnt give you the right to disort the article, however unconciously, with your hatred. Woould "moderate success" be an acceptable compromise to you? PMA 01:13, May 14, 2004 (UTC)

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FWIW, IMO, 1) an assertion of popularity should be backed up by some fact or source, or not included in the article. 2) I *very* much doubt the $1B merchandise presale - that sounds preposterously huge; I;d advise you to provide a reference for it, or withdraw it. 3) WTF is the third wave of feminism? You *must* be able to explain or reference such an obscure idiom as this, if there isto be any point in the sentence. 4) As it is, I'd advise chopping those last two sentences out altogether. They do not improve the article in their current state; the article is still very good without them. best wishes --Tagishsimon

Contents

1 Where'd Prof. Utonium's first name come from? 2 Proof of there are no plans for a 7th season 3 "Supposedly" fight crime? 4 Missing Villain 5 Blonde/Blond for Bubbles 6 Category:Superheroes dispute.

Where'd Prof. Utonium's first name come from?

I have never heard Professor Utonium's first name, but that could be because I haven't seen many of the newer episodes. Could someone provide a source episode? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 21:22, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, Prof. Utonium's "first name" listed as "John" first appeared in the article in the very first edit on May 8, 2002. --Marcus2

That's all well and good, but in what episode was his name mentioned? Again, I don't claim to know everything, and I haven't seen a whole lot of the newer episodes, but I've watched the show for a while and never heard the Professor's first name mentioned, even heard it awkwardly avoided. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 17:10, Jun 24, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not saying that there is an episode in which Prof. Utonium's first name is mentioned. I've never seen an episode like that either. --Marcus2

Proof of there are no plans for a 7th season

From Craig himself: Post on Toonzone Forums (http://forums.toonzone.net/showpost.php?p=1433629&postcount=35) --24.46.237.228 05:05, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

"Supposedly" fight crime?

What was the reasoning behind this edit? The opening of every show has the line, "Using their ultra-super powers Blossom, Bubbles, and Buttercup have dedicated their lives to fighting crime and the forces of evil."

Answer: The sanity and morality of the girls are disputed, and one of those who disputes it is me. Some people just want to say only good things about them, but that's not in the line of the morality in Wikipedia, so to keep in NPOV, I inserted "supposedly" to satisfy both sides. Marcus2 14:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Reply:: That's fine, but you should expand on that point. You're POV is conflicting with the entire premise of the show. BTW, I somewhat agree with you're premise, but you're not providing any explanation or proof in the article body. You should update or revert, otherwise people will get the wrong idea.

How's "Some people do question the girls' morality." work for everyone? (By the way, I do agree with that, at least sometimes.) --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:00, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Missing Villain

Sedusa has apperead at least twice in the show, and is in the opening credits; She should be listed as well.

Blonde/Blond for Bubbles

According to the blond article, the spelling blonde seems to be more correct when referring to females. I think it should say blonde in Bubbles' case, then, but I'm not going to get into an edit war over it. : ) --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 18:59, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

Category:Superheroes dispute.

Okay. Let's discuss putting the Powerpuff Girls into the superheroes category or leaving them out like reasonable Wikipedians, and try and iron something out. Marcus2, you feel they shouldn't be in said category because "They're not superheroes in my eyes." Well, while I agree that they do questionable things at times, they do fit most of the criteria for being superheroes, as outlined in the superhero article here on Wikipedia. Examples:

From the introduction: "A superhero is a fictional character who is noted for feats of courage and nobility and who usually has a colorful name and costume and abilities beyond those of normal human beings. ..."

From the list of superhero features:

• "Extraordinary powers and abilities, mastery of relevant skills, and/or advanced equipment. Although superhero powers widely vary, the ability to fly, superhuman strength, superhuman agility and enhanced versions of any of the five senses are all common superpowers. Many superheroes, such as Batman and Green Hornet, possess no superpowers but have mastered skills such as martial arts and forensic sciences." They fly. They have laser vision. Blossom has ice breath. I think they've got this one covered.
• "A willingness to risk one's own safety in the service of good, without expectation of reward." Well. Usually without expectation of reward – I haven't been keeping up with the show as much as I used to, but I do remember one episode where they went nutty because of a candy reward. But other than that, check.
• "A special motivation, such as revenge (e.g. Batman), a sense of responsibility (e.g. Spider-Man), or a formal calling (e.g. Green Lantern)." They fight crime to protect Townsville.
• "A secret identity." This one's not applicable to the Girls, no.
• "A flamboyant, distinctive costume, usually to hide the secret identity. It often has bright colors and a symbol, such as a stylized letter or visual icon, on the chest. ..." Special costumes, check, even if it's not to protect their identities.
• "An arch enemy and/or a collection of regular enemies that s/he fights repeatedly." Check and double check.
• "An unusual weakness that limits the character or puts him/her in peril when his/her enemies attempt to exploit it, e.g. Superman’s vulnerability to the fictional element Kryptonite, Green Lantern’s inability to directly affect any object colored yellow." Uhh... I can't recall anything besides the rarely-mentioned Antidote-X, but I could be wrong.
• "Is either independently wealthy or has an occupation that allows for minimal supervision so their whereabouts do not have to be strictly accounted for, e.g. Superman's civilian job as a reporter." They don't have secret ID's, so not applicable.
• "A backstory, called an "origin story," in which the circumstances of the character acquiring his/her abilities is explained, as well as his/her motivation for fighting evil." Powerpuff Girls Movie. Check here.

See also divergent character examples and anti-hero. Again, while the Girls' actions are at times questionable, they don't strike me as supervillains or even anti-heroes. They just make mistakes sometimes. Sometimes some pretty big mistakes, but mistakes nonetheless.

I propose a compromise: let's stick the Girls into Category:Superhero teams (more specific; they are a team, after all), and have some sort of "criticisms" section in the article. Maybe that way, everyone can be happy. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 02:03, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

Marcus2 must be out of his/her mind. Check the various PPG transcripts. They're referred to as superheroes. Go to one of the PPG fan sites (http://www.rowdyruff.net) and search their transcripts for "superhero." --24.186.209.222 22:29, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Excuse me, but this user Sparky the Seventh Chaos already went through the guidelines of being classified as a superhero and the Powerpuff Girls don't fit all of the criteria. Not everyone thinks the PPGs are superheroes so I think it's better this way, unless perhaps you think that not all superheroes are good, which is POV actually. Marcus2 01:54, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

They may not fit all of them, but they fit a good majority of them; the only ones that don't seem to apply are the ones about secret identities, sometimes the one about expecting no reward, and the one about a special weakness, and even then just because Antidote-X doesn't seem to show up a whole lot, and also because I may just not have kept up with the show as well as I used to. Besides that, not all superheroes fit all the criteria, and there are quite a few examples of this in the main superhero article under the Divergent character examples section. A lot of these divergent character examples seem to be more "edgy" than the PPGs will ever be; examples include Wolverine and The Incredible Hulk.

I also direct attention to Spider-Man's blurb in the superhero article: "Spider-Man has been portrayed as an every-man hero, often showing poor judgment and being overwhelmed by the responsibilities of both costumed crime fighting and civilian life. After Spider-Man became popular, superheroes generally became more human and troubled so whether or not this makes Spider-Man a divergent character example is questionable." (emphasis mine)

If anything, I think the PPGs fall into this sort of category. As near as I can tell, they're rarely malicious exept in retalliation; sometimes overly so, perhaps, but that strikes me as "showing poor judgement" rather than actual evilness.

One more thing I think we all need to remember is that the Powerpuff Girls are marketed as superheroes, just as Superman, Batman, and Wolverine alike are. I think that should count for something.

I restate my position that the PPGs should go into Category:Superhero teams, and that the article should have a "criticisms" section, for the reason that while they may do questionable things at times, it seems to me like this is more a case of occational poor judgement than evilness, and also because, well, that's how they're actually portrayed on the show most of the time. Again, they do not strike me as supervillains or even anti-heroes – just a trio of sisters with superpowers who are generally trying to help people, but who, like all of us, make mistakes sometimes. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 07:11, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Good point, but some of the 'mistakes' the girls make they never apologize for. Marcus2 13:36, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't see what that has to do with anything. Neither does Batman. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 19:43, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

Batman doesn't make many mistakes, but if he does, I'm sure he apologizes for them. Marcus2 13:11, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Marcus, in all honesty, you seem to be grasping at straws now.

Look. They have superpowers. They generally try to use these powers for good. Please tell me what this makes them. Are they supervillians? I think not. Are they anti-heroes? I think not; they're not dark enough for that. This leaves them as supeheroes, I believe. Flawed heroes at times, yes; but still heroes. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 18:20, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

Apparently, the girls are dark enough to be anti-heroes and don't correct their flaws like they should. Marcus2 17:02, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I do not see how being flawed necissarily makes them anti-heroes... just characters with flaws, like Spider-Man. In any case, would you please provide some specific examples of things they've done, never showed remorse for, and probably should have within the context of the show? Let's face it, the show's genre that is prone to a thick line between 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. The girls are usually portrayed as the good guys, so simply beating the snot out of evildoers doesn't seem like such a bad thing within the context of the show, at least not to my understanding. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 22:23, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, what about Buttercup's intention to fight Elmer Sglue (as a paste monster) and what about Rainbow the Clown, the innocent side to Mr. Mime. I could think of more examples of the abuses of the Powerpuff Girls' powers. And it's all an opinion if those they fight are evildoers. Jesus! Marcus2 15:58, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I distinctly remember Buttercup apologizing to Elmer. That's how she stopped the fight. You do have a point with Rainbow; that was not my favorite episode. On the other hand, I can think of several instances where the Girls did apologize or at least show remorse for mistakes within the context of the show.

• Bubbles went a little crazy in one episode and started hurting more than she was helping, but she apologized to her sisters at the end of the episode for running off. Admittedly, this may or may not have included what she did while off on her own, but that's the vibe I got from the show.
• The whole Bunny episode. The Girls were all very sad at the end for how they treated Bunny – as Bubbles said, "We were the ones who were bad."
• The Powerpuff movie, in which they destroyed half the town by accident. They tried to make up for this by helping Mojo, and then tried to make up for that when he betrayed them by beating him and his wayward monkey and ape army. They were about to give up their powers so they wouldn't cause any more trouble.

In other words, from my reccolections, the Rainbow episode seems to be more of an acception than a rule. At any rate, I again ask that you keep in mind the sort of show The Powerpuff Girls is: it's a cartoon action series about super-powered crime fighters, and tends to overexaggerated about who's good and who's bad. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 23:50, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)

Okay. I just have two more things to tell you. It wasn't really a fight in Elmer's case because no one was attacked or hurt. And, how did the girls destroy half of the town in the movie, just out of my curiosity? Marcus2 13:59, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Elmer picked up students and shot them out his fingers. They were all right in the end by Cartoon Magic, and frankly a lot of them had it coming for making fun of him, but still. He did help with repairing things in the end, of course.

And, they were playing tag. --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 14:35, Jan 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'm only here because of the note at WP:RFC. IMHO the PPGs fit most of the criteria for superheroes. Most of their actions that don't fit will well into the superhero category can be explained away from the fact that they are little girls that don't know any better. But that was part of the fun of the show—they had most of the attributes of superheroes, but weren't classic superheroes. Instead, they were rambunctious young kids with superpowers that tried to good as best they could. Still, they certainly are not villains. And although the show itself was fairly subversive to the superhero format, the PPGs cannot be called anti-heroes either. So the best fit for the show is to add it to Category:Superhero teams. BlankVerse 02:50, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but don't you think Blossom and Buttercup are at least somewhat mature for their age? Marcus2 14:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also (To BlankVerse), you think that these girls, who are aggressive, bare their teeth at times, and intentionally hurt people, are girls that don't know any better and aren't villains?! Marcus2 20:42, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I also think that the girls should be classed as super-heroes. --83.216.154.56 23:43, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Have you ever thought about how others may feel about how they should be classed? Marcus2 15:43, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I also agree with the classification under Category:Superhero teams, and I suspect that Marcus is probably the only Wikipedian who disagrees with that classification. -Sean Curtin 05:06, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

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Does anyone have an old (dead) link to the original Whoop Ass Girls site? It was on a college page, I believe. It had a movie download of the original short episode, and closed later after stating it would return updated. It's gone now, but someone with the old link might be able to retrieve it with archive.org. Similar to The Spirit of Christmas for South Park, it's nice to have these things preserved.