Talk:Sharon Tate

As I view this page with netscape, the photograph is covering up the text. That doesn't happen with other photographs in other articles. Could someone correct the problem? -- Mike Hardy

Is this picture fair use? -- Zoe

Could you be a bit more precise? --KF 00:13 Dec 27, 2002 (UTC)

Did you take the photo, or if you did not, do you have permission of the photographer to use it here? -- Zoe

No, and no. I believe it is one of the best-known pictures of the couple; it has appeared so frequently over the past decades (newspapers, books, the Internet) that I thought no one would mind if we used it here. If you do, please remove it. --KF 00:25 Dec 27, 2002 (UTC)

I know the picture is famous, but naked images of dead people might be considered inappropriate by some cultures. --G

Well then, one more reason to get rid of it. If ever in the future I feel the unlikely urge to look at naked images of dead people I'll retrieve it from my hard disc. When did Polanski die? --KF 00:36 Dec 27, 2002 (UTC)

Polanski isn't dead, but Tate is, of course. -- Zoe

Cut it in half then? --KF

Since the picture is supposed to be attached to the Sharon Tate article, it wouldn't make much sense to leave just the Polanski half of it on the page. -- Zoe

Let's delete the whole picture and use our time wisely. I'm still looking forward to the day when everyone recognizes my cynical remarks as what they are, and I do apologize, Zoe. :-) --KF 00:54 Dec 27, 2002 (UTC)

Sorry, KF, I didn't catch it.  :-) -- Zoe

Copyright status

i just spent a considerable time cleaning up the article, only to notice this external link:

*http://www.allstarz.org/~sharontate (Majority of biography used from this site!!)

furthermore, text from the source: http://www.allstarz.org/users/sharontate/biography.html has been used verbatim. the source claims that in order to use any information (which is copyrighted), you need to ask "erin", but i see no note in the talk page here that the copyright owner gave permission to wikipedia to use the text under the gfdl. the edit in question that first introduced this content was by User:FireflyAngel, in a fairly old edit (back in august 2003): http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sharon_Tate&diff=1271396&oldid=1266401

could fireflyangel please clarify the copyright status of this text? thanks Clarkk 10:45, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I am the same person. Sorry for not replying sooner. =)

i.e. just to clarify you are the "erin" that wrote the text, and that therefore you are contributing the text to wikipedia under the GFDL? thanks for contributing! clarkk 09:48, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As far as the picture - I honestly don't know who took it or where it came from... Sorry. =( It may have been taken by her personal photographer/documentarian Hatami. I do believe it was taken at Patty Duke's house (Hatami began working for her while she was doing the 'Eye of the Devil' film, and continued to do so up until she died) while she was staying there since it looks to be the same picket fence, but that is all I know about it.

Sorry if I have done anything wrong - I'm still getting used to this system! =)

Sincerely, FireflyAngel

it's ok, i'm not so much concerned with who took it (because if it was a work-for-hire, like a newspaper or magazine photographer then the copyright would be with the newspaper not the original photographer). but you must have downloaded it and/or scanned it from some source originally, so first we should establish that source, and from that source we can trace the copyright. unfortunately due to the horrible state of the copyright laws, we pretty much have to assume a photograph is "guilty" until proven innocent, otherwise we can put the wikipedia project in jeopardy. pretty much the only "safe" images to use are images that you took yourself, or images from public domain sources like the us govt, or images that others have released under the GFDL or certain other licenses like those from the Creative Commons. that said, there is such thing as fair use for using excerpts from copyrighted works (like quotes or images), but these days fair use simply means the right to hire a lawyer to defend your fair use rights (see see Free Culture, in particular page 107 (http://www.honors.montana.edu/%7Ejjc/freeculture.html#page107) to page 111 (http://www.honors.montana.edu/%7Ejjc/freeculture.html#page111)), which means we have to extra careful when using works in this way, because the law is so ambiguous (by the way, IANAL). clarkk 09:48, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea where the image came from - I have hundreds upon hundreds of images saved on my computer. I believe Sharon's sister Debra may hold copyright on it right now, or could help out, so I'll get in contact with her and see what can be done. Sincerely, FireflyAngel

Surprisingly, the very first picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sharon_Tate&oldid=539083) of Tate is also still around. It seems there's a whole collection of Sharon Tate images we can't use. <KF> 09:58, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There is a Sharon Tate Yahoo group you may want to check out. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sharontatethegoddess

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 22:17, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

uncredited use of this article?

2violent.com (http://www.2violent.com/sharon_tate.html) has several pages that seem to be copies of wikipedia articles, for example [1] (http://www.2violent.com/sharon_tate.html) looks like a 09:52, 2004 Jan 20 revision (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sharon_Tate&oldid=2565946) of this article. I don't know the exact procedure, so I've listed the site on Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Abc#2violent.com (see for details). -Wikibob | Talk 20:05, 2005 May 22 (UTC)