Talk:List of communities in Quebec

This page is out of date already, because it includes a number of communities that were merged into megacities in Gatineau, Montreal, Quebec City, Longueuil, and Saguenay.

My question is should we delete those entries, or redirect them to the cities they were merged with? - Montréalais

P.S. I did a major revision, adding accents and hyphens (style is hyphens between every word except articles, and the words Saint and Sainte spelled in full.) There are probably still errors, including ones I made - spurious or missing accents, etc. - and they all need to be checked against an original list which frankly I don't have the patience right now. We also need a list of which cities were merged into which megacities. I know I didn't remember them all. - Montréalais

Leave the city names that no longer exist because in biographies the reference is always to the original city name followed by NOW PART OF:

Montrealais Do not redesignate this Quebec again. It is a Provine of Canada and is the same designation I gave ALL Provinces. ....Ron Davis

I know that Quebec is a province of Canada. It says so in Quebec. I moved the page (using the Move function, which you should have used too, as it preserves the history) for three reasons:

1. the title Communities in the province of Quebec, Canada is excessively long;
2. the title List of communities in Quebec matches the format List of cities in Canada;
3. it has the word "List" in the title (an article "Communities..." etc. would ordinarily be expected to be about the communities, e.g. municipal politics and suchlike; compare List of popes etc.)

I think that all the lists of cities should be moved to List of communities in British Columbia et.seq., for the same reasons. - Montréalais

Please do not redesignate the PROVINCE of Quebec on my list of communities. Thank you....Ron Davis

It isn't "your" list of communities. We don't own articles on Wikipedia. And I didn't "redesignate" the province of Quebec. Everyone knows it's a province of Canada. That information is abundantly available. It's not like I renamed it "List of communities in the Free and Glorious People's Republic of Quebec", you know. p.s. I'm a federalist, if it makes you feel any better. - Montréalais

Your fictional title made me laugh out loud. Arthur

For the respect of people who may not be federalist shouldn't we say List of communities in Quebec. I am a federalist also but it seems like a slap in the face to throw the Canada on just for what seems political reasons. - stoltz.

To me, politics doesn't enter into it; it's for the reasons I stated above. Likewise, I would like to see List of communities in Alberta, List of communities in British Columbia, et.seq. Compare List of Georgia counties. - Montréalais

I agree montrealais. However, I suppose I assume that the only reason someone would want to add canada would be for nothing other than political reasons -stoltz.

I tend to agree that List of communities in Quebec, List of communities in Alberta and so on is a better form of name. Communities in the Province of Quebec, Canada seems rather long-winded, and List of communities in the province of Quebec, Canada, which would be more correct (it is, after all, a list, not a "proper" article on the subject), is even more so. What do we lose by dropping the words "province" and "Canada"? Nothing that I can see. Titles, in general, should be as simple as possible, I think. That's why we have Ludwig van Beethoven and not The composer, Ludwig van Beethoven, a German. I'll move the pages later tonight if there are on serious objections and if nobody gets there before me. --Camembert

I suggest not, unless you wish to keep this site exclusively for North Americans. I know a great many (approx. 4.773 billion) people who have no idea what a "Quebec" or an "Ontario" is. They do however, recognize "Canada". This is not political, it is called good presentation in an encyclopedia. Comparing geography listings to people makes little sense....Ron Davis

That is why "Quebec" is described in the article Quebec. You could make this argument about anything. That's why we have articles and we don't just write the entire thing in the title.

Why would someone even be looking at an article about cities in Quebec if they don't know what Quebec is? How would they get to it?

Furthermore, even if, by some bizarre circumstance, someone tripped over this article who didn't know what Quebec was, the very first line of the article says, "...the province of Quebec, Canada." I'm having a lot of trouble seeing how this can be an argument against a concise title for this entry. - Montréalais

I take great exception to you and other "friends" joining in a clique to impose your views in clear violation of the Statemnent of Principles by Wikipedia's owner. Rather than watch the "Recent Changes" list and pounce on other people's work to format it YOUR WAY, would it not be better to spend your time creating new articles plus adding and editing content? Please do not bother me any more. It is very obvious you and your group try to pick fights in order to drive away people who refuse to conform to your demands on this OPEN site.....Ron Davis

Ron, the Wiki way is to operate by consensus. There is a clear majority of Montrealais, Camembert, stoltz and now me who think the article should be moved versus exactly one, you, who think it should stay. We have List of cities in Germany, List of cities in Maryland, etc... that's the format we use. This isn't a clique imposing its views, it's the way the wiki works -- you can add whatever you want but you must accept that others can and will change it. Tuf-Kat

I don't think you're being very fair, Ron - if we were seeking to "impose" our views on you, we would have moved the page back by now. What we're trying to do is convince you that List of communities in Quebec is the better title so that we can all agree and be friends, move on, and work on something else. I still believe that List of communities in Quebec is a better title than Communities of the Province of Quebec, Canada for the reasons Montréalais gives above (my point with the Beethoven comparison, by the way, was that one shouldn't explain the subject of an article in its title, but in the body of the article itself). However, I'll back out of this argument for the time being. Apologies if you took anything I said as a personal attack. It wasn't meant to be. --Camembert

I agree with Montréalais & Camembert. Gosh. Ron's tone sounds very familiar. Now where have we heard it before? :-) JtdIrL 06:33 Mar 1, 2003 (UTC)

The article itself seems very odd to me. Why is "Quebec" appended to every single item? I was kind of assuming that all of these communities in Quebec would be in Quebec. In List of African-Americans, I read "Muhammad Ali, boxer and poet"--not "Muhammad Ali, African-American". Anyone agree that adding "Quebec" is odd? Arthur 21:08 Mar 18, 2003 (UTC)

Better late than never... The fact is that all those articles, in accordance with accepted style, have ", Quebec" in their titles. - Montréalais 01:27 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)