Talk:List of Number 1 singles (UK)

Contents

1 Naming

2 Chart source

3 Split?

Naming

I've moved this page so that it now conforms to the same naming pattern as the corresponding List of Number 1 Hits (USA). Future pages for other countries can follow the same scheme. Bonalaw 13:14, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't this page be moved to List of Number 1 singles (UK). This would allow for the creation of List of Number 1 albums (UK) and remove the word 'hits' which doesn't sound very encyclopaedic. Dmn 23:07, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Now you mention it, yes. The same should be done for the US number ones page too. Bonalaw 11:44, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Chart source

I think there should perhaps be some clarification about the charts and their validity and general acceptance, in the opening paragraph here. I know little about this other than the Network Chart was rivalling the more established chart during the late 80s early 90s. Worth mentioning-

Record Mirror charts (1955-62) - after that RM used the Record Retailer survey
Melody Maker charts (1956-???
Disc and Music Echo charts (1958-67)
MRIB Network Chart (1984-???

Mintguy (T) 10:52, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

A rather nice thing about the formatting on the article page is that it gives us the freedom to include information from the other charts as well. Might be worth looking into. -- Bonalaw 20:45, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Split?

This article involves a lot of scrolling - perhaps it should be split into List of Number 1 singles (UK) 1952-1981 and List of Number 1 singles (UK) 1982-2004 or something? violet/riga (t) 18:30, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I wondered about that. It can take a long time to load. In the latest list on Special:longpages, this is the 106th longest page on Wikipedia. Dividing it up somehow seems a good idea. Bonalaw 12:18, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

We should probably start moving on this. Maybe we could split it up by decade? I'm not sure of how a split should properly be done on wikipedia to preserve page history, but it does need to be done. Bonalaw 10:06, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

We need a request for demerge! I agree splitting it by decades might be good, and I was thinking of adding a little write-up about the number ones from each year. violet/riga (t) 16:38, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

From VP

With the size of List of Number 1 singles (UK) approaching 80k (though yes, lists are partially exempt from the size limit) it's time for this article to be split. I'm not sure how well the edit history would survive, however, and that's why I haven't done a manual move/copy/edit/etc.. I'd appreciate it if someone could split it into:

List of hit singles (UK) would be a disambig page (with List of Number 1 singles (UK) being a redirect to it). My plan is to write an overview of the main hits of the decade with the number ones being the main aspect. Any discussion prior/in objection to this would be appreciated. violet/riga (t) 22:56, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I made a page just for the 1950s. Will that work? — RJH 22:20, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was mentioned to me that the name should be List of Number 1 singles from the 1950s (UK) (&c.) to preserve the original intent. (That differs from "hit singles", which may not have been at number 1 on the charts.) So I moved the page and updated the links on List of Number 1 singles (UK) — RJH 17:43, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

If that's what you think but, as said above, I planned to expand the list into an article mentioning other major singles from each decade - smash hit singles that didn't get to number 1, or memorable or mentionable songs from that era. violet/riga (t) 22:41, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Copyright?

Are we allowed to re-publish this information under the GFDL, isn't it already copyright by the Official UK Charts Company? Edward 16:10, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Photos

I added a few photos. What do people think about the change? [[User:Dmn|Dmn / Դմն ]] 21:03, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Good idea, though I don't think the Kylie image is the most appropriate. Be nice to find some ones for the older number ones too - there must be a The Beatles single cover somewhere. violet/riga (t) 21:28, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Together I think we've made some great additions. Shame there are quite a few famous names without associated pictures, but they'll be added I'm sure. Good work [[User:Dmn|Dmn / Դմն ]]! violet/riga (t) 16:56, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Dates

There is a problem with this, On the list the number ones are recorded as being number one 6 days after they were actually number one. Can someone please sort this out? Jeffy

There are two possible solutions. Either we can change the dates, or we can add a header explaining the "week ending" system, like on the US number ones page. Bonalaw 06:24, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

From what I can tell the chart compilation day changed from Wednesday to Sunday in 1969. The dates before that are Wednesdays and I've now changed all the ones after that to Sundays. If anyone else can check the dates I'd really appreciate it. violet/riga (t) 17:00, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Downloads

I just created this page: List of Number 1 music downloads (UK). Any help would be appreciated. I'm not even sure if I have the dates right. [[User:Dmn|Dmn / Դմն ]] 17:22, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Total change

After looking at ways of changing this article I've viewed Hot 100 No. 1 Hits of 2004 and List of Number 1 Hits (USA). I think that is a great way of doing it and propose this is changed over to the same format. Yes, it'll take a lot of time and effort but I think it is quite a superior way of organising it. After that is done we could remove a lot of US bias in List of musical events and 2004 in music etc. and integrate information there. Anyone have any comments? violet/riga (t) 12:15, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've always thought that there must be a better way to organise this page, the table format of the US charts looks a lot better - I agree that this should be adopted. But I question the need to have each year on a different page (an earlier suggestion of splitting by decade would be a good compromise). And I also agree that the music year pages are far too US-centric, but this is going to be harder to overcome (it doesn't mean we shouldn't try though). I'm happy to help. David 5000 17:21, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yeah that's a good point. I think it'd be OK if we can have the number one singles and then (perhaps some of) the following:

Number one albums by week
Number one downloads by week (for the later years)
"Important" hit singles of the year

I think that should give it enough scope to justify individual articles. violet/riga (t) 17:59, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ooh, "important" hit singles that weren't number 1 - I like the sound of that. Presumably we could include the cumulative chart of the year too. It sounds as though you're talking about making something like a purely UK-based 'year in music' page, incorporating all of the charts of the year, plus additional information. I like the sound of this, but I'm not quite sure how it would fit into the existing structure of Wikipedia's music pages. Could we split the current, say, "2004 in music" page into "2004 in music (US)", "2004 in music (UK)" etc., with just the "2004 in music" page being a general one covering births, deaths etc, and then disambiguating to the other pages? David 5000 18:06, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I reckon so. The 2004 in music (US) pages would need to be created by somebody, perhaps by using the details from Hot 100 No. 1 Hits of 2004 (which I think is an awful name, tbh) in the same way that we'd create the UK ones. I've cobbled together a little test example for you to look at - feel free to play around with it to suggest anything. violet/riga (t) 18:41, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea and a worthwhile project - I've added some comments on your test page. BUT one fundamental thing is: if we make each year's page this detailed, I think we still need a page like this, simply showing a list of number 1s. Which brings us right back around to the start of the discussion.... David 5000 19:27, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

We could use the List of Number 1 Hits (USA) kind of format with links to each of these pages. I'm sure there's an article with a list of record-breaking singles somewhere too. violet/riga (t) 19:48, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In the week ending 14th/15th November 1952, Al Martino hit #1 with "Here In My Heart" becoming the first #1 single in the UK ever. I'd be happy to do as much as you people would like on this project of transforming the UK #1's to be like the US #1's, however, I will need to know 2 things:-

1) do you want to do week beginning's, week ending's or both?

2) please let me know the starting date, whichever method you choose, for "Here In My Heart" so I know how to structure the dates. Thank you Ultimate Star Wars Freak 17:28, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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