Talk:Kristallnacht

Really unknown?

"An unknown number of Jews were killed" ? In several news reports commemorating the event I heard the number of 91. Aleph4 09:58, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I copied the image from the Polish wikipedia. What a good pic that is!! sorry, probably inappropriate comments for this event that caused so much suffering and damage. Andries 21:28, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Did the Jewish community have to pay 1 billion Mark to the state for the economic damage that the Kristallnacht had caused? Goering and Hitler said that the Jews were responsible for the Kristallnacht. I read that somewhere. Andries 04:45, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

• Shirer (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich), chapter 13, has a cite for this; it was a fine decided by a meeting presided over by Goering on November 12:

"...they were subjected, collectively, to a fine of one billion marks as punishment, as Goering put it, "for their abominable crimes, etc."". Shimgray 02:46, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Is pogrom the proper word since pogrom etymologically postdates the event? Smkatz 01:12, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

see pogrom; Russian word in use from at least 1880 67.118.119.175 20:49, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Would it be possible to link to other competitors to encourage users to do their own fact-checking and research?

According to a subscription database and my interpretation on two seperate sources, one a recent report on an Austrian commemoration of Kristallnacht and the other from the Hutichison encyclopedia, numbers differ depending on whether you include events in Austria and Poland as the same event, but 91 is a safe number to use, but the event's focus is not only that it was a terrorist attack, but also that it was a warning of theroy being put into practice. (Goerge L. Mosse, Towards the Final Solution, ch. 12)

24.177.118.102 05:45, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Inconsistency

I just noticed that in the article Racial policy of Nazi Germany it states that, after the Kristallnacht, "Approximately 100 Jews were killed, and another 20,000 sent to the newly formed concentration camps." whereas Kristallnacht says "More than 30,000 Jews were arrested and taken to concentration camps;..." So does anyone know the actual figure of Jews sent to the concentration camps after the Kristallnacht?

• The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (chapter 13) quotes a Nov.11 SS report as saying "20,000 Jews were arrested. 36 [Jewish] deaths were reported, and those seriously injured were also numbered at 36." Shirer then notes that the ultimate number of deaths "is believed to have been several times the preliminary figures", but does not cite another number. Shimgray 02:35, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The Name

...The actual name was "Reichskristallnacht". Now it is also called 'Progrom' or "Reichskristallnacht" but if you say the last you sign "" with your fingers, as it was the nazi-propaganda name.

Reevaluation of vom Rath

I have read that vom Rath has not died on November 7. but two days later, (9. November) in hospital. If this is truth, then sentence On Monday, November 7, Grynszpan shot and killed vom Rath. needs to be corrected.

More important, I’ve read, or heard (alas, I can’t remember where) that Grynszpan’s target wasn’t vom Rath, but some other German official – he missed, and accidentally shot vom Rath.

To make things even more ironic, vom Rath was accused of being a friend of Jews, and he was on the black list of Gestapo. Gestapo actually planed to execute him, but they found his assassination most convenient (another evidence that pogrom was orchestrated). I’m not sure, but I think that he did used to help Jews. -- Obradović Goran (ta^lk 15:36, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)