Talk:Full English breakfast
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- The bacon is traditionally fried and the are eggs served "sunny side up". The American custom of asking "how would you like your eggs?" is relatively uncommon in Britain, but poached or scrambled eggs and perhaps grilled bacon may be offered as alternatives.
I'm changing the above because it assumes the reader is Usian. How many other countries use the phrase "sunny side up"? I've made a link further up to fried egg, so we can mention the various ways of frying eggs there. -- Tarquin 15:27 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I'm usually the first one to say "Don't assume an American audience", but I thought I'd make it clear that most of the time your eggs come "sunny side up" and there's no argument (particularly in cafe or in someone's home). Mintguy
- Yup, but non-US audiences don't know what "sunny side up" means. We need some way of explaining how they are cooked that doesn't use that expression -- Tarquin
Wouldn't you say that a "continental breakfast" usually includes toast rather than croissants? --KF 15:30 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
- I originally had "oast and or crossants" but didn't like the phrase. In my experience hotels usually offer croissants these days. Mintguy
- Just for info, in Italy the "continental breakfast" usually includes a horrible sort of dried spongecake, with no option for toast or croissants. -- Chris Q 15:53 Feb 10, 2003 (UTC)
Duplicate information at Irish breakfast needs to be incorporated into this entry. The traditional Irish breakfast, usually consists of pork sausages (fried), bacon rashers (fried), egg(s) (also fried) and black & white pudding (fried). (Blood sausage).
This breakfast is usually eaten with toast and tea. Other items can be included, such as hash browns (fried chopped potato cakes), mushrooms (fried), fried tomato. Essentially if you can fry it - it's a candidate!
The Irish breakfast is distinguished from the English breakfast by its inclusion of puddings, and omission of baked beans. Breakfasts with these ingredients are however, common in both countries.
The traditional Ulster fry is a further distinction from an Irish breakfast. It will always include potato farls (potato bread) and fried soda farls (flat bread with baking soda not yeast). Generally puddings are not as common, but mushrooms and tomatoes possibly more so.
Any self-respecting Irish hotel is guaranteed to serve an Irish breakfast fit for a king. For a hefty sum, one can also procure a fine culinary delight aboard many trains in Ireland.
Full English breakfast is not an appropriate place for Irish breakfast entry. But possibly merging the two under traditional fry-up will work.
Zoney 23:21, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Full English breakfast is what appears on menus throughout the world. Common usage. Jooler
English breakfast is not a particularly neutral title, especially considering that Irish breakfast is quite well known also. Throughout the world are Irish pubs, Irish food outlets and Irish people.
Traditional fry-up fits both.
Zoney 23:54, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Surely though, a fry-up is any fried meal? If I cooked a big plate of chips and eggs, I could call that a fry-up. I feel a bit like we're creating a term which doesn't exist here. Couldn't they eaqch have their own articles which link to each other for the sake of completeness? fabiform | talk 00:03, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- There were originally two articles! An Irish breakfast is a seperate entity altogether! Zoney 00:19, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Calling an English breafast an Irish breakfast is like calling French fries Belgian fries. Irish breakfasts were already diiscussed under English breafast. Jooler
- One sentence in an article about kippers and kidneys and beans and what-have-you. An Irish breakfast is not the same thing at all at all.Zoney 00:19, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
If I had bacon sausage and egg with a cup of tea in Ireland, would you call it an Irrish breakfast? I would say you would. So expand on the details of what you might expect in Ireland that are unexpected elsewhere. Personally I don't think baked beans belong in an English breakfast. Jooler
Irish Breakfast
I've been to Ireland (as well as england) And I've had breakfast. Irish breakfast involves at least 5 types of pork, as well as generally an egg, and a scrap of toast. How they can live past the age of 40 is beyond me, maybe it's the guiness. ;) Sam Spade 03:18, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- P.s. Irish breakfast contains no kippers, the Irish despise fish. Sam Spade 03:21, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Dammit 'Joolers' I am not trying to usurp the term 'English breakfast'. Keep it. Just don't claim that an Irish breakfast falls solely under that category. It SURE doesn't in Ireland, and is as much a tradition as Guinness. READ the article to see how it differs. Most of English breakfast article is IRRELEVANT to an Irish breakfast. Yeah, the pork produce is about the only common thing, and even that differs in the 'mandatory' items in both countries. I am not trying to CLAIM Irish breakfast is the commonly served fried breakfast around the world! I'm simply writing about an important part of Irish culture, one that despite your protests IS well known! Zoney 22:33, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- And chips are important to both British and Irish culture, but we have an article and French fries. What's the difference? Jooler 14:36, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- The difference is that chips and french fries are mostly just 'names' and both are used either side of the Atlantic. Zoney
- Exactly the same for this breakfast. Chips differ from french fries because they are thicker and cooked slightly different. Irish breakfast has soda bread and that's it. Everything else is optional and can be found in both breakfasts, even baked beans as that link I put up showed. Jooler
- The difference is that chips and french fries are mostly just 'names' and both are used either side of the Atlantic. Zoney
There needs to be seperate articles, just like their needed to be seperate nations, anyone with a lick of sense knows that. ;) Sam Spade 02:47, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- There are not enough differences to distinguish these two items. The only problem Zoney has is that he doesn't like the word 'English' in the title, that's why he was prepared to have one article which didn't have the word 'English' in it. But we have a policy of common usage, and english breakfast is by far the most common term. If you disagree then you should create a detailed page on Welsh and Scottish and Cornish breakfasts. Jooler
(Copied from VfD)
Maybe the breakfast is as important as chips are to the British and Irish. But on Wikipedia chips are under french fries. You think breakfast rolls are only served in Ireland? You say baked beans are not part of an Irish breakfast, but this guy (http://www.littleireland.ie/damians/BreakfastMenu.htm, and many others) seems to think different. Jooler
- Note that the article did not mention breakfast rolls are being solely Irish (constrasting to the previous version of English breakfast) They are merely included as a social commentary on Ireland!
- The exact composition of an Irish breakfast is something for contributors (presumably Irish or have eaten a true Irish breakfast) to come to a consensus to by editing.
- Zoney 10:40, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Perhaps the protagonist would like to show good manners by SIGNING their comments, here and on VfD (which is not where the discussion should be!) Zoney
- Done.
Manners
Sam Spade, if you are SURE the others are taking your personal remarks as light-hearted humor, go ahead. But be careful: sarcasm and humor can easily be misunderstood even with smileys :-O --Uncle Ed 20:51, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- My apologies to you sir, I might have forgotten me manners, perhaps the lateness of the day, and the emptiness of me stomach... a good Irish breakfast in the mornin' 'ill have me right as rain! A good day to you until then sir. 8-D+ Sam Spade 05:03, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The Full English as 'Mythic'
I've edited the entry to remove the 'does it really exist' emphasis. It certainly does and I have tried to put it in a more correct and a more contempory social context.
I agree that the page should be renamed "Traditional 'fry-up'". To anybody who is familiar with common parlence, a 'fry-up' is never just going to be food: fried, as the connotations are unequivocally aligned with a specific type of breakfast fare. Importantly, the definition of a fry-up subsumes the definition of a full-english, which, as the article states, requires a fair number of ingredients. So, a fry-up may be a full English, but mostly on cafe menus and when people at home are feeling particularly idulgent. As a breakfast, the term 'fry-up' has a far more concrete meaning to far more regular people eating at home than 'full english' does. And what people use at home carries more significance than what is sold in restaurants. No English person uses 'full English' more than 'fry-up', which makes it as bizarre as the term 'French Toast' to a Frenchman.
The article could continue to differentiate between Irish, Welsh, Scotish and English fry-ups. Jamescole1980
- In my part of England, the term 'fry up' means Bubble and squeak 80.229.14.246 19:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)