Talk:Amerigo Vespucci
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This should be moved back to Amerigo Vespucci with a disambiguatino block at the top. Also shouldn't Amerigo Vespucci (ship) be listed under somethink akin to (but oviously not) RMS Amerigo Vespucci. Mintguy, 10:44, 6 Feb 2004
- Yeah, the disambig block at the top had occurred to me. Cretainly would have been easier. However, "Amerigo Vespucci" is among sailing ship buffs clearly a refernce to the ship, and not in particular to the person. Also, the ship is so well-known that many people will intuitively identify the name "Amerigo Vespucci" with the ship. (Of course, that depends on context, too.) I believe it's an eponym, and I thought moving the person to Amerigo Vespucci (explorer) and making an up-front disambuguation page was more appropriate.
- As to the page title: I know the ship project wants to use these "RMS foo" names, but then, they are more concerned about modern-era warships. (Or so I gathered.) The classical sailing ships are, however, known by their names in the first place — at least today. I do not think anything would be gained by moving it either to something like "Italian schoolship Amerigo Vespucci" or "Amerigo Vespucci A5312" (A 5312 is its Italian Navy number).
- Lupo 11:20, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Oh, and BTW, I added your sig above.)
Well this is a general purpose encyclopaedia not a sailing ship spotters book and for 99% of people who have heard of the name Amerigo Vespucci we're talking about the explorer not the eponymous ship. See Julius Caesar for a similar example. Mintguy (T) 21:27, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I also agree that this should be moved back. Most links to Amerigo Vespucci will most likely be for the explorer, not the ship. --Minesweeper 23:05, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)
A nice fact to add would be when the letters started circulating. What are the earliest known versions or dates for references to them? Rmhermen 16:39, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
Anyone know if the letters can be found online? All i could find was this http://slought.org/content/410241/, but the text is not readable. Fuelbottle | Talk 02:48, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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Henry
Is Amerigo an Italian version of Henry? -- Error 03:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- The Henry page says that Enrico is, so possibly, but I don't know how relible this information is... Gady 15:45, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Enrico is Henry, but I suspect that Arrigo and Amerigo are alternate forms. Aymeric was an Occitanian name, probably related. -- Error 00:33, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have seen that Amerigo is the Italian form of "Amalric" and that therefore the English equivalent is "Emery."
Ardric47 03:09, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
While reading about an unrelated subject earlier today, an appendix in Cokayne's The Complete Peerage implied that Haimrich, Emery, and Amerigo are all the same name. Ardric47 05:49, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Genoese
Amerigo Vespucci March 9, 1454–February 22, 1512) was a Genoese merchant, navigator, and sea explorer who voyaged to and wrote about the Americas.
why was Genoese removed? --Melaen 12:12, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't know why, but shouldn't we also remove "navigator" and "sea explorer"? There seems to be no certain evidence that Vespucci really knew how to navigate, or indeed ever commanded a ship, much less an expedition. He certainly was on the voyage of Hojeda in 1499, and probably also on the voyage of Coelho. But perhaps as no more than a gentleman volunteer, or supernumerary. His real claim to fame is his book, in which he asserts that lands across the Atlantic are a new continent, rather than part of east Asia.
Also, his alleged celestial longitude determination of 1499 is known fraudulent. Since this is accepted uncritically elsewhere, I'm going to set the record straight.
Keithpickering 2 March 2005
fraudulent claim?
- Vespucci claimed, in a letter to Lorenzo di Medici, that he determined his longitude celestially on August 23, 1499, while on this voyage. But his claim is clearly fraudulent, which casts more doubt on Vespucci's credibility.
why is this 'clearly fraudulent'? just wondering. (clem 20:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC))
Alberigo
I've heard that his first name originally was Alberigo. Anyone here know if this is true? --k
- Who knows. It has claimed that his real name was Emerich Despuig.