User talk:Node ue

Utilisateur:Node ue/Ryukyu

You probably meant to save this in the french wikipedia. Spoon 00:29, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, yes I did. And after I noticed that, I saved it in fr:. I'm a bit curious though, do you usually send people messages like that? Telling me what I "probably meant to do", I mean. I just thought it was kind of funny, that's all. Node 01:18, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The only real issue is that it is in the article namespace on english wikipedia and therefore needs to be deleted. No, I don't usually send messages like this; I made an exception just for you. Spoon 01:25, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Yes, yes I realize that. Why didn't you mention that in your first post, though? It seemed almost cryptic. Node 01:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

So that later I could get into a discussion about why I didn't mention that in the first post. Spoon 01:30, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I should've guessed. Node 01:31, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Unit 731 protected

FYI, I've protected Unit 731 and moved the disputed text/photo to the talk page. Feel free to discuss there. Thanks. Fuzheado | Talk 02:09, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Recent reverts

Hi Node ue. You just sent me a message. This is probably in regards to me reverting IZAK's edits, right? (Edit, add my name) --141.211.62.118 04:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

NPOV dispute (Unit 731)

I've responded at Talk:Unit 731. Please comment there. --Jiang 22:20, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

My typing.

q w e r t y u i o p [ ]
 a s d f g(h)j k l ; '
  z x c v b(n)m , . ?

ᎣᏏᏳ, ᎹᎸᎩ

Hi Mark. I'm guessing it was you who left me a message on CHR. I've replyed there. --Etse

Dicdefs

Hi, Node: When nominating dicdefs for deletion, please add the {{vfd}} tag and follow the procedure at the bottom of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, rather than adding the {{delete}} tag, since according to Wikipedia:Deletion policy, dicdefs do not fall under the category of "candidates for speedy deletion" (which {{delete}} denotes). Yours, Sewing - talk 16:05, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

All your base are belong to us

To answer your question, no, I don't speak Japanese yet. That was never my point and you should know that. As you can see, that translation is intended to "capture the spirit and tone which the author seems to have been intending", and it's been that way for quite a while now. It's not supposed to reflect the original text perfectly. First, because it's impossible, and second, because it has to be adapted or it wouldn't make sense. It just didn't seem right to me that someone comes out of nowhere and changes every single line from that translation. If you think it's better that way, fine.

If it isn't, someone else will change it, don't you think? – Mackeriv 19:49, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh, it was you. Now I see.

Okay, I admit I didn't have the right of doing that. So, I'm sorry for this. I'll drop it now. Won't edit my previous entry here either. – Mackeriv 19:55, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"Persian" and "Farsi"

Please note that the Persian Wikipedia contains both Farsi and Dari (which constitute "Persian"). "Tajik" has its own code in ISO 639, "tg" and "tgk", as opposed to "fa", "fas", and "per" for "Persian". See ISO 639. The Persian wikipedia has both Farsi and Dari. roozbeh 11:07, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

Families, orders, and the like

Node, I can't seem to find where we agreed to make these pages redirects - it may not exist any more. It certainly wouldn't have been on every relevant talk page, though, since the pages are all duplicates. However, there's no doubt that the redirects are generally accepted, and has stood that way for a year.

The reasoning is at least repeated in the edit comments: the pages are simple dictionary entries and won't be developed any further, since there is nothing else to say on them. The only things to discuss are how the ranks fit in the hierarchy and perhaps a few examples, and this is just duplicating scientific classification, which makes maitenance difficult.

Accordingly, the pages should have been left as redirects in the absence of arguments to the contrary, which have not been given. Josh 19:36, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

1. It makes no sense for one page to link to another page a bunch of times. As you'll note, the taxoboxes all link to these various articles, which is pointless since each of them is a redirect to "Scientific classification".

2. Perhaps you believe there is no possibility for expansion, however fr:, de:, and a couple of other Wikipedias have quite nice articles on them. Just because you don't want to expand an article yourself doesn't mean it can't be done.

3. Your inability to find said talkpage leads me to question its existance.

edit to note: Those are most certainly not dicdefs. Dicdefs look more like this:

Order biology (n.): A taxonomic category of plants and animals ranking above the family and below the class. pl. orders)

Best, Node 19:55, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

They're the equivalent of dictionary definitions - they simply say what the word means, and don't provide any further details. It's not that I don't want to provide more, it's that I think it can't be done. I checked all the articles on the other-language wikipediae and they don't say anything beyond what we have, which is duplicated on scientific classification (though some have nicer tables).

As for the taxoboxes, the ones that link to ranks were mostly made a long time ago, and at any rate they're contrary to the standards we agreed to on wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life. They need to be fixed, not the rank articles. After all, even if they weren't redirects, they'd still mostly have the exact same information.

That leaves #3, where you may be right - I'm not sure it exists any more, and the discussion was possibly scattered to begin with. But if you look at the histories, you can see that there was some disagreement, and that the redirects were settled on. There was no need for you to revert these edits. They can always be expanded in the unlikely event that someone finds new information specific to one rank, without keeping duplicate copies in the mean time. Josh 20:15, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In fact only a couple of those pages contained just a definition, and some of them had more information as well. As to the edit histories, they far from show that a redirect had been accepted: many of them had been changed to redirects in the past, but been reverted by others, only for you to change them back into redirects with the justification "There's no reason not to". Node 22:07, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

None of them had any information beyond what's available on the scientific classification page. The single exception is phylum, which gave some information about the phyla of animals. Needless to say, that information is already treated on animal. So no, they're all duplicates, and my justification is that duplication is to be avoided unless there is a reason otherwise. Meanwhile, you haven't given any justification for your reversion of other people's edits that stood for a year without complaint, which is no less serious a change than mine. If the only reason is that they might become articles someday, it would be better to keep all the present information in one place. Josh 23:22, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Edit attribution

Hi node. Edits from 65.38.130.26 have now been reattributed to you. Regards — Kate Turner | Talk 05:05, 2004 Sep 4 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks very much for your support of my adminship nomination. JOHN COLLISON | (Ludraman) 16:30, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Persian milestone

Hi Node! The difficulty is in understanding the Persian script. Two languages (Persian and Hindi) now have their article counter in non-latin script. By observing dates, etc. I've done my best to decipher the numbers. Last time I checked, the NUMBER OF ARTICLES counter read FOUR digits. From right-to-left, it read (if I deciphered it correctly): 7001 (i.e., 1007 our way).

If I'm wrong and you can read their script, please correct me. David Cannon 10:54, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me, Node! I appreciate that! David Cannon 04:12, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Death toll page

You can add the death toll for the post-war deaths in the Congo to the Death toll page for comparative purposes. Darksun 12:23, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Korean Wikipedia

Hi again! Thanks for your comments. I agree, the Korean Wikipedia got off to a very sluggish start. I think they have shown somewhat better growth over the last month, however. No, I don't often edit there (I did once upload an entire article - that was before I knew what a third-rate job electronic translators do). I have tried to interest my wife in the idea - but her interests generally lie elsewhere. Maybe she'll pitch in later:-) But yes, growing the Korean Wikipedia must be an urgent priority. David Cannon 11:24, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Reverts

In re your message to me on 3 reverts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Palestine):

So, how come the others with MORE numerous reverts have not been blocked yet? Also, does the rule apply to you as well? Thanks, HistoryBuffEr 07:34, 2004 Sep 14 (UTC)

Occupation of Palestine

Please see my question at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Occupation_of_Palestine#Tally: Rephrasing the question -- Jmabel 01:25, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Adminship

Thanks again for your kind nomination for my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to it. :) –Andre (talk) 17:24, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Bân-lâm-gú logo

Thanks for the lovely Bân-lâm-gú logo -- ló·-la̍t, kám-siā. And btw, so that's where zh-tw ended up. It disappeared off the radar screen before I'd had an opportunity to sneak a peek. A-giau 03:23, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Ah, I see the transparency fix now, thanks again.

My current feeling re zh-tw as a non-editor (interlanguage links not withstanding): I wish more Traditional Chinese editors would weigh in on the issue -- and not just on zh. I do not believe most Traditional Chinese readers today can handle Simplified with any degree of comfort; a good number will, perhaps unfortunately, simply leave rather than suffer the script (no pun intended). I still pin some hope on a technical partial-solution encompassing some lexical-level conversions, as I do believe they are writing essentially the same language. A-giau 07:30, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Milestone statistics

Hi again! Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I've been out and about a lot over the weekend, and finding time to attend to replies and the like has been a bit problematic. Better late than never, however ... Anyway, thank you so much for pointing out my overlooking of the Template:Wikipedialang. That was careless of me. I guess I keep an eye on the Milestone Statistics page because I created that table in the first place; I've been far less involved with the Wikipedialang template which is why I rather easily forget about it. I'll try to be more careful in future.

BTW, you'll see that I've moved Portuguese to the 20,000 slot. They've gained an incredible 6500 new articles in less than 3 weeks, and have overtaken Danish as the 10th largest wiki. It wouldn't surprise me if the millionth article should turn out to be theirs. David Cannon 09:51, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Milestone statistics

Hi again! Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I've been out and about a lot over the weekend, and finding time to attend to replies and the like has been a bit problematic. Better late than never, however ... Anyway, thank you so much for pointing out my overlooking of the Template:Wikipedialang. That was careless of me. I guess I keep an eye on the Milestone Statistics page because I created that table in the first place; I've been far less involved with the Wikipedialang template which is why I rather easily forget about it. I'll try to be more careful in future.

BTW, you'll see that I've moved Portuguese to the 20,000 slot. They've gained an incredible 6500 new articles in less than 3 weeks, and have overtaken Danish as the 10th largest wiki. It wouldn't surprise me if the millionth article should turn out to be theirs.

Your milestone predictions made me smile, too. I wonder what Ævar's face will look like when he hears that he's going to have to wait till 2008 for his Wikipedia to reach 10k <grin>. David Cannon 09:54, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for Nynorsk logo!

Hi there. 多謝 for support and for making that logo :) BjarteSorensen 10:30, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

6500 articles in 3 weeks

Hi Node! Yes, I do believe a bot is at work on the Portuguese Wikipedia. BTW, the number is up to 8000 now. About 6000 of the 8000 new articles this month have been uploaded by E2mb0t - the last part of the name indeed suggests a bot. Most of its uploads appear to be short articles (little more than stubs) about Brazilian cities. this article is a typical sample. David Cannon 20:05, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

LB Logo

Hi,

Thanks for the logo, there's just a small problem. It's my fault actually, I got the text wrong. The correct Text should be: Wikipedia - Déi fräi Enzyklopedie (so ä instead of a in the word fräi). Luxembourgish is a very difficult language to write, even though I'm a native speaker :)

Another question: How do we get the logo in place ?

Thx a lot :)

Briséis

Tatar Wikipedia

Hi, Node Ue!

You added Tatar logo, but all Tatar messages dissapeared! What I need to to to set messages back? --Untifler 14:02, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You

Hi there...I just went through a dry spell, wikipedia-wise, due to...life. I don't want to give up Wikipedia, I just have no time for it these days. Anyway. I was just going through my typical wikipedia browsing and came upon your page. I read all about you and I'm just trying to figure out WHO and WHAT you are really...you're like this enigma and i want to figure you out o_o.

I, myself, have an intense love for languages...born in Spain, obviously know English, learning Japanese and Russian...it's hard work, but fun. You seem to have a love for languages as well...but not 4, or 5, or even 8. It seems like every feasible language that could exist, you have somehow contributed to its Wikipedia cause. I'm just curious how this is even POSSIBLE. I, myself, would love to do the same, but after a while it becomes impossible to retain this much information in your head!

So, I'd like to have some sort of chat with you about what languages you're truly into, how youve helped, etc. Feel free to check out my user page. Lockeownzj00 01:32, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

VfD/GNAA edits

Hi Mark -- I reverted your edits -- not because I disagree with the intent, but because you can't just ask everyone else to go back and check to see if you've removed the wrong votes in an edit summary. I think you should leave a note on the talk page eitehr explaining which ones you are planning to delete, or if there are ones that your not sure about, or something similar.

Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 16:52, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Pgunn is not a sockpuppet. I will be reverting you again. Leave the votes alone. RickK 07:58, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

And when did I say pgunn was a sockpuppet? I will be reverting *you* again. Leave the votes alone - note that you removed legit votes by RV'ing me.

If you don't think he's a sockpuppet, why do you keep deleting his votes? RickK 19:43, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC)

I have never deleted his votes. --Node 05:12, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

gu: Logo

Hi Node ue,

Thanx for helping out. Wikipedia: The transliteration is "??????????" another alternative that I am toying with is "???????" which is a translation. If you want to make only one logo... make with the first alternative.. if you feel like it making 2 logos will be great.

Wikipedia: The free encyclopedia
will be translated to

"??????????: ????? ?????????????"
or
"???????: ????? ?????????????"
quotes are added to delimit the text.

Thanx --Spundun 05:45, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

thanks for offering the logo...

Thanks for volunteering to conjure the logo for the kn wikipedia. The Translation goes like this:

Wikipedia : "ವಿಕಿಪೀಡಿಯ" next line: "ಒಂದು ಸ್ವತಂತ್ರ ವಿಶ್ವಕೋಶ"

And as for the template is concerned, we're happy with the present one and everyone has liked it. thanks for the link though. :)

--Hpnadig 15:46, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cherokee, Navajo, and Jeremy, oh my!

Hey there, man. Haven't had ANY time for Wikipedia lately (obviously!). Hm... Logging in, I noticed that some dumba** had decided to vandalize the main Cherokee page, which annoys me. I really have minimal experience dealing with these people on Wikipedia, so your input is appreciated. It doesn't look like it's going to be a repeated thing, though, but it perturbs me. It's been an interesting couple of days and I'm half-asleep right now, so I'd appreciate it if you could take care of the main page for me. I removed a big block of dumba** text, but otherwise, some of the vandalism still stands, and I'm a bit brain-dead at the moment! (Very full Friday, up all night, some sleep, work, stuff to do, etc.) Would you like to help me with CHR? I would really like to work on it, but I'm just so ridiculously busy right now that I don't think about it. It's really hard to fit in time for it lately without staying up late (as I am now).

So you set up NV? Cool! Glad to hear it!

Yeah, I should write out the original syllabary stuff for you... :-) lol. Fine, fine. I've got a Notepad window open on my computer with a note to annoy me until I do so! I had been putting it off because of not wanting to deal with my scanner, which I will have to set up and such, but I might as well. Send me a quick e-mail, too--it's a much easier way to get in touch with me lately!

lol. Gotta represent, but I have no time for it, lately. Anyway, keep up the good work. You really do do a lot for Wikipedia. Perhaps you could tell me more about Wikipedia, what you like about it, working on it, etc. I do find Wikipedia to be very useful and use it quite often, though! Feel free to go right ahead with working on CHR for me! ^_^ - Jeremy (Etse)

Thanks for the csb logo

Dear Node,

Thanks a lot for your contribution to the CSB wiki with the logo. However, there is a small problem. Like most Slavic languages, Kashubian is a highly inflective language. Nouns and adjectives can have seven cases (six cases are common, the seventh is relatively rare). It means that depending on the context in the sentence, words can take one of the several endings. "Wòlny encyklopedije" (as you wrote in the logo) is the Genitive form, used in the meaning "from where" , "belonging to whom".

In the case of the logo we would use the Nominative, which is the neutral case. The Nominative form looks like this: Wikipedijô, Wòlnô encyklopedijô. Would it be possible for you to change that? I don't have the Hoefler font and cannot do it :-( Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, UCZK 18:18, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Berber logo

See some comments on m:Talk:Wikipedia_in_other_languages#Berber_wikipedia

I replied in wa:Uzeu copene:Pablo#Berber logo talk page

Milestone predictions, minority languages, etc.

Hi Node! Thank you for updating me about your milestone predictions and for sharing your thoughts about the lack of willing contributors to the smaller wikipedia projects. I admire your dedication to the task of getting wikipedias established in new languages. Finding contributors who are both able and willing may indeed be difficult at first, but the point is that as long as the wikipedia in a particular language exists, it will eventually attract contributors. Andre Engels pointed out that even the giant German wikipedia had only one active contributor for the first year of its existence.

I think you're doing a great work with your pro-new language activism. Keep it up! David Cannon 11:19, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Anglo-Saxon Logo

Hi Node! Thanks for the logo for the Anglo-Saxon wiki...could you update the logo for me? It's on the [logo request page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_logos#Requests)]

Logos

The following logos don't seem to exist so I've removed them from non-development tasks for developers. If you know what the right links for these logos should be, please replace them. Thanks.

• http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:ang-wiki-logo.png
• http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:bn-wiki-logo.png

Angela. 20:41, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

Cherokee Original Syllabary

Hey, Node. Well, if you can send me an e-mail, I'll send you the syllabary. It's lost in the recesses of my computer at the moment, and I have to set up my scanner first. Got no sleep last night. Craziness lately w/ school and such. (Do me a favor and remove my e-mail from the page once you grab it) -- Jeremy (Not logged in; hurrying on!)

Friulian/Furlan wiki

• Sorry for the delay in my answer. I would be very interested in Friulian language; can you help? So far I found just another user who wants to work on it. The main problem is that I don't have a pc currently so I'm seldom online --Klenje 19:18, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• meta:Proposals for new projects#Friulian Wikipedia or meta:Request for new language#Friulian Wikipedia(7 nov 2004)

Arabic language stuff

Thanks! I'm working on it... Akkadian language, at least, is better in Arabic than English. But there's so much groundwork to fill in the Arabic Wikipedia, and so many obscure technical terms to look up... ;) I like your Ryukyuan stuff, btw, not to speak of the Navajo Wikipedia materials. Keep it up! - Mustafaa 02:40, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Arabic translation of Ryukyuan languages done... - Mustafaa 00:42, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ibanag language

The reason I place an acknowledgement, is not really to acknowledge but because I seem to be favorite victim of copyright violator checkers. 2 articles I wrote (parts at least) where copied to other websites, I was accused of copying from them. (I'm still a bit angry about this and the accuser is probably the only person in the history of wikipedia to nominate himself for administratorship )With the acknowledgements, it will be clearer to know the source and that it wasn't copied. I'm very careful now about citing and acknowledging sources. Chris is a wikipedian. Best regards,--Jondel 05:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Three Kingdoms of Korea, in Navajo

The interwiki link to your translation is busted; maybe you could you try using Unicode entities rather than literal characters? --Saforrest 17:46, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Re:Wikipedia-l: Banned from editing except on en

"annoying edits" are not grounds for banning on ANY Wikipedia. Do they violate policy? Not that I can see. Do they disrupt the workings? Hah! There are no workings.

Yes, it does disrupt the workings. Removing links to the pages that new users need to read to find out what Wikipedia is and how they can help are vital to the main page before a project has any users.

Replacing boilerplate text in English with text in the target language may be annoying to YOU, but to speakers of that language it is more likely to be seen as a gesture which seeks to invite them to participate and make them more comfortable.

The "text in the target language" is only any use if it makes sense in that language. You admitted you don't speak these languages so how do you know it makes sense? The text also needs to be relevant to Wikipedia. Adding a paragraph about the National Language Services that you copied directly from some website and removing all Wikipedia-related content is not helpful to those who speak the language.

The Venda Main Page (http://ve.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&diff=2&oldid=1) is copied directly from [1] (http://www.cyberserv.co.za/users/~jako/lang/ventexts.htm).

As I noted before, I am not 100% sure of the things I wrote in articles on bo: or sq: (but I didn't write hundreds of articles, and I know they're at least not totally gibberish), but unless I note otherwise for any other text I post, I do not have any doubt that it is 100% correct (unless it's not grammatically, in which case I can easily do some fact-checking before posting)

You were asked to stop doing this on sq: by at least one of the users there who is fluent in Albanian. Does this not tell you something about the appropriateness of your edits?

Perhaps we should show these people the edit you are talking about? http://fj.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&oldid=1459

As you can clearly see, compared to the version that was there previously, it is preferrable because there is actually content IN THE TARGET LANGUAGE (if you wish to assert it is somehow incorrect, I would respectfully request that you confirm that beforehand with a professional translator or areal linguist unless you claim to speak the language yourself and can offer an explanation or correction)

Firstly, I did check with a user who knows Fijian. Secondly, directing users to your email address when you don't speak the language isn't going to help them.

However Angela did indeed revert a contribution on another Wikipedia... Since she simply specified in the edit summary that it was "vandalism", I reverted her edits with an edit summary "isibusi vandalism" - she had removed legitimate, target-language content and replaced it with content in English.

[http://ve.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&diff=4&oldid=3

This diff] is presumably what you are talking about. In what way was this content legitimate? Being in the right language is not enough if that content says nothing about Wikipedia.

Similarly, removing everything useful and replacing it with a few odd words you picked up in a language is not helpful (kj: example (http://kj.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&oldid=2))

If the article is deleted and the mainpage is reverted NOW, the only possible explanation would be that people don't like Venda, and for this reason I don't think it will happen.

Don't like Venda or don't like potential copyright problems? Do you have permission from the author of te:Tshumelo ya Nyambo dza Lushaka to release it under the GFDL?

After your behaviour in trying to remove alleged copyright violations from toki pona, edits such as this on tn: (http://tn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirelo_ya_Dipuo_tsa_Boset%C5%A1haba) appear quite surprising. Do you have permission to use this text? Or are you happy to contribute copyright violations as long as they are "in the target language"?

Angela. 01:43, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

History of the Finno-Ugric languages

A debate about the validity of Finno-Ugric seems to be going on on Talk:Finno-Ugric language. Your comments would be welcome. - Mustafaa 20:45, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Outdated

i have reply to you here (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:%E8%A2%A7%E8%A3%A9%E5%A7%94%E5%93%A5%E8%8A%A4%E4%BC%8A%E4%BB%81). --Yacht (talk) 05:59, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Montenegrin

Just a personal notice regarding yours comment on Talk:Montenegrin language: in Serbian language Nikola is male name. As in Nikola Tesla ;) Nikola 08:34, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Nauruan interwiki link

As a reply to your mailing list message:

I can ensure you, there's no word called "Nauru" in the "modern" nauruan language. They still write "Naoero". The word "Nauru" is just a transcription for european and american people to pronounciate this word correctly. There are almost no differences between the Nauruan reported in Delaporte's and the Nauruan of today. I also can ensure you that the accents ^ and ` used in Delaporte's are only used there and nowhere else. In other nauruan literature (even in other works by Delaporte) there is just one accent sign: the tilde (~). There exists an "a" and an "ã", an "o" and an "õ", an "u" and an "ũ". So, "Ekakairù" is not correct, the only correct form is "Ekakairũ". And because of there's no translation for the adjective "nauruan", they just add "Naoero". Example: "Nauruan, nauruan man" means "amen Naoero". So, "Nauruan" or "nauruan language" means "Ekakairũ Naoero". I already contacted Tim Starling to change it, and he'll do so soon. Don't worry about this matter. The orthographical accents in Delaporte's are false, but anything else (translations) is OK and very important to create articles in the Nauruan Wikipedia. I'll do so because I recently got a nauruan grammar book.

Thank you for your understanding and best wishes -- CdaMVvWgS 14:07, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

PS Delaporte wrote the grammar with the assistance of many native speakers. I also have had contact with native nauruan speakers, and the way they wrote is almost the same as the words in the Delaporte's. -- CdaMVvWgS 14:14, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cognation percentages for Arabic varieties

As a matter of fact, I did actually try and work some out myself a few years back for the Swadesh list; but that would count as original research if ever there was such a thing (I never published), and was in any case somewhat incomplete. I'll see if I can find something citable... It's hard to judge mutual comprehensibility, because the recent spread of literary Arabic media seriously biases the mutual comprehension figures, allowing most speakers to raise their dialect to a semi-classicized form which, while remaining unmistakeably characteristic of a particular country, is easier to understand than the "pure" dialect would be. - Mustafaa 16:07, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what happened to the figures - it was a while ago - but I'll see if I can dig them back up. For the references, see the sections at the end of Nubi language, Cypriot Maronite Arabic; for Bukhara Arabic, I came across http://www3.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~P_aflang/TEXTS/june98/buxara.html some time ago, in Japanese. For Juba Arabic, try Watson, Richard L. and Louis Biajo Ola. 1985. Juba Arabic for beginners. - Mustafaa 10:20, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

By way of a taster, you could look at http://www.geocities.com/lameens/storage/swadesh.txt , though it's obviously a pretty rough draft. - Mustafaa 10:26, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I put all the actual Swadesh lists I used on http://www.rosettaproject.org/, so you can compare them there... - Mustafaa 12:39, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hey, why didn't you mention the whole email debate? I only just found it. I speak Algerian Arabic myself, and I do not support am dubious about the creation of a Wikipedia for it, because, though it's a separate language in all but name from classical Arabic, it's manifestly not a separate language from Tunisian or Moroccan Arabic, although a small number of conspicuous differences make for different "standards" if you like - for instance, Moroccan Arabic, like some minor dialects of Algeria (eg Jijel), has verbal prefixes indicating aspect, and Tunisian Arabic reverses the masculine and feminine second person forms, leading to innumerable jokes. For more on Algerian Arabic, see http://www.geocities.com/lameens/darja/ . If one were created, however, - whether Maghreb Arabic or Algerian Arabic - the next step would naturally be some knock-down debates over script: I would support Arabic script, while the introducer of this proposal would support Latin. - Mustafaa 13:58, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"when Algeria was under French control, there was some degree of literacy in Algerian Arabic in the Roman alphabet?" Not exactly. Algerian Arabic written works exist from both before and during the occupation - I have scans of a French government textbook in it used for elementary schools - but in Arabic script; Latin script was used only to teach French speakers. Today, lyrics, folk poetry, and the like are not infrequently written down, typically in Arabic script; however, the punch lines in comics in French-language Algerian newspapers, not to mention Internet chat and texting, generally use Latin. The language was briefly offered for the bac in France in the nineties (as "arabe maghrébin"), but I think it got discontinued. - Mustafaa 14:10, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Redirect you created at "Yashikahagi"

User:Jnc/MvRedirMissingTarget Noel (talk) 04:37, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I understood all that (see revised notice above); dozens of these things were just listed on RfD, and I'm trying to deal with them all; without a lot of digging, yours was the only name that was immediately to hand (on the redir). I'm just calling it to your attention - how you handle it is entirely up to you. Noel (talk) 19:43, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Apache source

Hi.

I was wondering how you got the Apache names of the Arizona cities. Did you consult a person or a book? If book, could you lemme know the source? Thank you very much.

peace -

- Ish ishwar 22:44, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)

Tokipona

Hi Node! No, the Tokipona Wikipedia no longer exists officially as a Wikipedia. It still exists, to be sure, but no longer as a Wikipedia. Sorry. Jimbo Wales decided it had to go, for whatever reason, and it's not up to you or me to try to overturn his decision. Accordingly, I am "revandalizing" the Wikipedialang template. David Cannon 09:57, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tajik Wikipedia

I was recently trying to make the Tajik Wikipedia (http://tg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) a little more welcoming, and it occurred to me that there's a fundamental problem with it: all the system messages are in English. Any literate Tajik will speak Russian, and many will be able to read Farsi; how many can read English? I'd like to change the system messages into Russian, at least as a stopgap measure, but I have no idea how to go about doing this. Any ideas? Btw, my Arabic answer is above. - Mustafaa 14:42, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Maghrebi Arabic Wikipedia

The dialect mixing could pose some potential problems, but not much more, I should think, than is caused by American vs British spelling here. Orthography choices don't have to be too difficult; as it happens, I've spent rather a lot of time thinking through possible orthographies for the language, and Arabic script with a couple of extra letters (as few as 1, in Algerian practice, though a couple more are needed to render all phonemic distinctions) should do just fine. If someone insists they want Latin script, well, the Kashmiri and Kurdish wikipedia seem to be OK. I'd support it - and more to the point, I'd write articles for it, if only for the heck of it to see what happened. I'd call it the Darija (دارجة) Wikipedia, though; in Arabic, "Maghrebi Arabic" is ambiguous between Moroccan and Maghrebi. - Mustafaa 23:00, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

#wikipedia

Node, the last few times you have entered the #wikipedia (or appeared to) we have had a greeting, but no response to questions or comments. Are you using a bot with and auto-greet on entry? If so - please turn it off! Auto-greets are pointless and annoying and give a false impression of who is awake on the channel. Alternatively you could simply be having connection problems or just not replying - in which case fine. But if it's a bot then please stop the greetings until you are there in person. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 19:07, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

As you don't seem to be around to switch it off - I've set it to +q. Please let me know when you are around again, and I'll reverse it -- sannse (talk) 19:39, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

question re: Tucson, Arizona version 1 text

Node, I was reviewing the changes that have happened since I've been off taking final exams for a few days, and had a quick question for you about something I noticed in the version 1 text for Tucson, Arizona. The mountains for which Tucson was named are listed as the Baboquivari Mountains, but to the best of my knowledge, those are actually about 50 miles southwest of Tucson. A Mountain/Sentinel Peak would certainly not be a foothill of these mountains. If you have any better idea which mountain range Tucson was named for, I was wondering if you can either fix or clarify the article text. Either it IS the Baboquivari Mountains and A Mountain is NOT a foothill, or the Baboquivari Mountain reference is erroneous. Thanks! --ABQCat 21:25, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Question

Hi Node,

I got your message but I still have one question. If quails (Gambel's Quail and California Quail in particular) have any sort of language, how would you tell? Unless quails suddenly developed human vocal organs and somebody raised one bilingual English-Quail, I would think there would be no way to know if our communication is language or just random parroting (pun intended) and simple communications like "Food!".

I can tell you from my experience that my judgement is this: quails do indeed use language. I'm not sure how to describe quail speech in English, and communication varies in the quail world as it does in the human world, so I'm afraid any data I might provide you would be somewhat limited in scope and probably inaccurate even for my own community, seeing as I have lived in human society for the last few years. If I can, I might ask my mother and father for some help on this subject. I'm not sure how to transcribe calls though, and I certainly don't have access to a tape recorder (nor could I carry one. typing can be accommodated, of course, as can writing with a writing implement, but lugging around equipment is usually something I don't do unless it's small and in a backpack), and I couldn't get my parents to any sort of recording studio with formats compatible with modern human technology (quail sometimes use tiny phonograph-like devices powered by running, but the sound quality is poor and more suitable for songs and distinct calls than speech). The reason I say father AND mother is because of course mating rituals have a strong linguistic component for us, and I think my father would have a better mastery of male calls and my mother a better mastery of responses, also my mother and father speak slightly different dialects coming from different coveys. --Ifoolyou 01:44, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

note on Tucson, AZ voting

Node, I noticed you removed (in a way I consider consistent with Wikipedia policy) an anonymous editor's vote for the proposals. Since we were involved in the original dispute (along with GaryD and a few others), I think it might be inappropriate for us to be removing any sort of votes from the voting signups. If you notice in the future that an anonIP has voted, could you get a neutral/outside user/admin to remove it, please? Let me clarify: I believe you did nothing wrong in removing the vote, but in the interests of avoiding the appearance of impropriety, let's make sure that admins/other users remove the votes. --ABQCat 21:25, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My Tucson vote

I appreciate your taking the time to follow up on what I said with my vote in the poll. Sorry I didn't get around to answering earlier, but by now a lot of what I would have included here has been said on IRC. I see two different points made about the O'odham name: that it's currently used by a substantial minority of area residents, and that it's older than the official name. Whether either one of these factors, alone, would support including the name in the first sentence, in your view, I don't know, but in this case they both occur. (I mentioned to you that, here in New York City, "Nueva York" is commonly heard. I'll hazard a guess that Spanish-speaking residents of NYC are a higher percentage of the population than are the O'odham in Tucson, regardless of whether we count those who are fluent in the language or only those who use it primarily or only those not fluent in English.)

My vote is based on the fact that this is the English Wikipedia. We assume our readers to be English speakers. The basis for decisions about such issues should be: Which alternative will best serve the English-speaking reader? That's why we put articles at their English names (like Munich). Incidentally, the article about the Dutch colony here isn't at "Nieuw Amsterdam"; it's at New Amsterdam because that's where English speakers would look for it.

In some cases, we use a parenthetical alternative to the bolded name of the article subject, in the first sentence, to avert possible confusion. I think it's OK to give a non-English official name (like München, or Nieuw Amsterdam) or a different name by which the subject might be known to a substantial number of English speakers (like Danzig). For other names, however, there's no confusion to dispel by introducing them immediately in the first sentence. Where notable, they can be discussed elsewhere in the article, as the Tucson "Version 2" does. JamesMLane 22:54, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

3RR

For violating the 3RR on Template:Wikipedialang, you are banned for 24 hours. Hey, at least you can have a Wikibreak over Christmas! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:12, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Somali Wikipedia

You aren't the anon who claims to speak Somali at so (http://so.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page) and shares an IP address with you, are you? Do you happen to know who he might be? - Mustafaa 16:41, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Foreign language names == "vandalism"?

node, I've tried to remain civil with you through our disagreement over articles such as Tucson, Arizona. After the vote on Tucson's article made it clear that the desire was to keep the foreign language name in its own area, instead of being listed as an alternative, I edited other similar articles to follow in line. You just reverted all my edits, calling them vandalism. Now, if you want to disagree with the edits, that's great. Let's discuss this like civil wikipedians. Let's have a disagreement like reasonable people. Let's NOT descend into calling reasonable edits "vandalism", just because we disagree with them. When you're ready to discuss this in a civil manner, I'll be happy to do so. Thanks. kmccoy (talk) 20:05, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Apology

Node, I appreciate the apology with regard to calling my edits vandalism. kmccoy (talk) 21:08, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tucson, Arizona and more

Hi. You may have already seen the post, but I wanted to post this message here so that it's clear that I'm not trying to exclude you. I thought you might be interested in commenting on a broader application of the formatting to other city articles. The discussion (for now) is at Talk: Tucson, Arizona#Other Arizona and nearby cities. (It might get moved to WikiProject Cities, if there's interest in doing so.) Thanks! kmccoy (talk) 01:21, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hey. Would you mind just re-visiting your comments on the talk page for Tucson (Tucson, Arizona and more) and signing each of your separate comments? I ask because otherwise it'll quickly become difficult to determine who said what in response to whom. I know it's an entire series of responses, but for clarity in the discussion, I think it would be helpful. Thanks. --ABQCat 00:28, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

CDP's

I read the link that someone gave to the Census Bureau's discussion of how it designates CDP's (http://www.census.gov/geo/www/GARM/Ch9GARM.pdf). It mentioned that in some instance there's tribal participation in the process. If some of these places are CDP's and the Census gives them a Native American name, then that would make a difference to me. I'd see some point to spinning those off as a separate category for discussion purposes. Otherwise, my reasoning doesn't depend on splitting hairs about the percentage of people in a particular location who use each name, nor on an attempt to identify the "indigenous" inhabitants. (Some Native American tribes were first encountered by Europeans in areas that those Native Americans had occupied by driving out the prior inhabitants. You can't assume that Native American = indigenous, and I don't think our treatment of the name today should depend on sifting through the archaeological data to try to decide whether, for example, the O'odham were descended from the Hohokam or supplanted them.) JamesMLane 00:54, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Nauruan Wikipedia Logo

Hi, it seems that you can create logos. Because the request pages seem no to be viewed much, I'll post my request for the nauruan wikipedia here: NA Wikipedia (http://na.wikipedia.org) needs a logo. The text should be: "Wikipedia - Encyclopedia emenengame". Thank you very much for your assistance and best wishes -- CdaMVvWgS 14:53, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Template:Node/stub

Aloha and happy new year. In the process of trying to clean out Category:Stub I noticed that you were the author of Template:Node/stub which currently doesn't link anywhere. I'm going to remove the category from this template and let you deal with it. I won't nominate it for deletion for at least a week in order to give you some time to respond. Mahalo. --Viriditas | Talk 06:10, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Armenia

Hi. I am looking for someone who can translate Armenian into English. I noticed you are on the Armenian Wiki so decided to contact you. There are three articles on the Prime Minister of Armenia for the first republic that do not have articles. I have recently written one of them. The only source of information on the remaning three is in Armenian. If you would be interested in translating them or you know someone who might be please contact me --Hierarchypedia 23:20, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I check here more often (http://www.hierarchypedia.com/~hierarch/wiki/index.php/User_talk:David).

Moldovan Wikipedia

Thanks for your support on the matter, I have replied to your concerns about the "loan word" issue. How shall we go about lobbying this matter - the creation is not an issue, it already exists. The two main developments which need to be made are Wikimedia endorsement and Mediawiki development of the Latin->Cyrillic autoconversion tool and other tailoring necessary to the project. Which do you think should be done first? --Oldak Quill 16:44, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Your suggestions sound good - I would advocate an mo.wikipedia.org with tabs to flick between Latin and Cyrillic alphabets (I see no need to mirror Maldovan Latin at mo-cy.wikipedia.org). --Oldak Quill 12:35, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Runa Simitan Wikipidiya (Quechuan Wikipedia)

Yaw, wikimasiniy (Hi, wikipartner). I suppose you're same Node ue from Quechuan and Spanish Wikipedia. I'm Huhsunqu. Well, I read the messege, but I don't know exactly what to do for begin an administrator. By the way, I read you can make logoes for wiki. If you could, I'll apreciate you yo create quechuan one, it'll say "Wikipidiya, qispi insiklupidiya". --Huhsunqu 03:27, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) (I'm in Spanish wiki, too)

PD:I've put a link to your English wiki user page in Runa Simita wikipidiya]]

Hi, again. just for questioning about quechua logo. I went to commons and meta, but nobody say nothing about and that's turning me mad. Ther've been maby communication problems here. Don't forget writing me. I'm in English now, too. --Huhsunqu 19:57, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation. It's so good to know it's walking. Anyway, could you upload it as a simple file? Maby some one in Spanish wiki cold upload it. See you. --Huhsunqu 20:21, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) PD:Do you know when wikipidiya have started?

Sorry, Node, I thought I didn't write well :P. I tried to say if you could upload this image in the English or Spanish wikipedia as a common image. Or seding it to my mail:ssakyeok@yahoo.com. Please, it's taking, as you said, most time that it has.--Huhsunqu 04:41, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Punjabi Logo

Hi,

The logo uploaded to the Punjabi (pa) Wikipedia is an incorrect transliteration. I've created a new logo for this Wikipedia and was wondering if you could upload it?

Missing image
Sukh-WikiLogo.pa.png
Image:Sukh-WikiLogo.pa.png

Thanks Sukh 03:00, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi Sukh, the logo I created was using a translation told to me by a pa.wikipedian requesting a logo.

Hi, the translation for 'A Free Encyclopedia' is correct for the second line. However the transliteration is incorrect for the name Wikipedia. Phonetically, Wikipedia is 'Wikipiidiaa' as used in other Indic languages. However, the current transliteration is actually Wiikiipiidiiaa which is very wrong. Although the new transliteration is similar, you will notice that the big sticks with hooks (representing 'i' and 'ii') have been changed to represent the proper pronounciation of the vowel.

I would appreciate it if you could change it for me. Thank you. Sukh 14:08, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Is there any chance of getting this done? I've created the logo so it should only take a few minutes. If you are unable to change it for whatever reason, please inform me of the correct procedure so that I can get it changed some other way. Thanks. Sukh 16:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Finally managed to get sysop and have this done. Thanks anyway! Sukh 01:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

deletionism and wikibooks

First of all, if you are not also Node_ue on wikibooks (I saw no indication here), you have an imposter. If this is the same user, you should add a link in an obvious and visible location. Presuming that this is the same user...

I notice you seem to be having trouble with deletionism over on wikibooks. I'd like to investigate that at least. To do so, I need admin rights. (normal users are unable to view deleted pages) Please support me in getting admin rights so that I can investigate all these suspicous goings on, including a few policy violations.

AlbertCahalan 00:22, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Oh, if you don't mind...

There's a VfD on wikibooks listing Cookbook:Placenta. I know this is an unusual one, but people really do serve it. I hope you can find it in your heart to help save this one, even if it does make you feel a bit ill.

Troubles

Hey, buddy; somehow I can not log in in quechuan wiki. What's going on? --Huhsunqu 04:04, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for worrying, byt don't worry more, I've solutionated it. Abaut the logo, it's so cool! I lik that modified Q. By the way, I've put the request for switching it in Meta-W. But, if you tech me, I can do it. Thanks much. --Huhsunqu 01:52, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) Ah, I've been talking to the others administrators of Amerincan Langages' Wikis for cooperate between us. Inuktitut has already said yes.

Armenian Wiki

First of all, I'm very pleased to know that someone from English community is interested in Armenian Wiki, so thank you very much. I will follow the rules about signing, thanks for warning about it.
Second, It would be fantastic to have armenian interface, I can say I'm dreaming about it:) so would you help me if you're admin (I cant recognize them, because i'm very new to know much) or if you're not then can you advise me how to contact an admin for such objective?
Third of all, It would be very kind of you to make our logo. The text is like this

Wikipedia - Վիքիփեդիա, or all capitalized
WIKIPEDIA- ՎԻՔԻՓԵԴԻԱ, choose as needed
"Freedom" is - Ազատություն, so "free" would be like - Ազատ,
Encyclopedia - Հանրագիտարան

And if you'll need something to translate, or info, or anything I can provide, please let me know.
Thank you.Toxic01:39, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Armenian Logo

Wow, thanx very, very much, it's very cute, but it is only in images page, may it be a way to put in on air?, I mean to replace, original version, so it will be on main page?

Tamajaq, the Tuareg language page

Hello, wikipedian Node,

I am Ameno your wikibrother, I want to create a wikipage in Tamajaq, the Tuareg language, in Tifinagh, the Tuareg alphabet.

Please help.

Tanimmert. Ameno

Thanks, wikipedian Node,

Yes, I speak all Tuareg dialects, Southern/Nothern of: Azawagh, Ayr mountains, Ahaggar, Ajjer, and can also help in Tamazight (Berber).

But, is it possible to use the Tifinagh fonts?

Har tufat (a demain). Ameno

"Mainland China" vs. "People's Republic of China"

Hello Node. Would you be interested to join the discussion and the poll at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)? — Instantnood 17:35, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)

Oyik Node, (hello). Isalan? (What news?).

Aregh ad essenagh kud neddobat ad nafer es logo wan Tamajaq wiki, is tifinagh. I would like to know if we can begin by making a logo for Tamajaq wiki, in Tifinagh.

Har tufat. Until tomorrow.

Ameno

Moldovan language

Hi Node. Could you please see my message on your talk page at meta regarding the use of mo.wikipedia.org for articles in Cyrillic script. Thanks, Ronline 07:02, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ROC's highway system

Re: " Are there actually any highways in the RoC outside of Taiwan? I always got the impression that Quemoy and Matsu were rather small. "

I wonder too. But there are several class of highways, from national, provincial, county to township. There could be some township highways on Quemoy and Matsu. By the way, the discussion here (http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:a-pt2876s1wJ:www.thb.gov.tw/knowhighway/detail.asp%3FTitleID%3D197+%E9%87%91%E9%96%80+%E5%85%AC%E8%B7%AF+site:thb.gov.tw&hl=zh-TW) (in Chinese) seems quite interesting. — Instantnood 11:05, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

Chinese languages

I noticed your comment at MetaWiki (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#Sinitic_languages_.2F_Chinese_dialects). The proposal for Wikipedia for Chinese languages has been there for several months, long before Zhengzhu's programme to convert between Traditional/Simplified characters was invented. :-) — Instantnood 11:19, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

Moldovan Wikipedia response

Hi Node, thanks for what I felt what a very extensive and neutral response regarding the Moldovan Wikipedia. I reckoned I would respond here since you probably visit en.wiki most often. I do have some issues to raise, however.

Your figures show that Cyrillic, is overall used in a very small percentage of people, both relatively and absolutely. If in the range of 1-2% of people use Cyrillic rather than Latin script, that is still a very small proportion. Now, i'm a person who actively supports minority languages and Wikipedias in these languages and, as far as I gather, you do as well. However, we're still talking about very small numbers here for a script that doesn't even have official backing (except from the Transnistria government, which is not official). You said 30% of all the people who claim that they speak "Moldavian, not Romanian" or "Transdnistrian" prefer the Cyrillic alphabet to the Latin alphabet. So basically, 30% of, or a minority of, if you like, anti-Romanian, Moldovan nationalist people prefer Cyrillic. So the script doesn't even have majority backing among people who regard themsleves as speaking Moldovan/Transnistrian Moldovan. Now, I think it's a bit unconventional that when people go to the Moldovan-language Wikipedia, Cyrillic takes precedence over Latin script. I'm not saying Latin script is any better - in fact, to be perfectly honest, Cyrillic script probably represents the language just as well. However, Latin script remains not only the official script of Moldovan but also the most widely used.

Therefore, it's a bit nonsensical to say that mo.wiki should be used only for Cyrillic. I do understand however, the argument that "Latin Moldovan speakers already have the ro.wiki", and I agree it's now worth duplicating Latin-script content at mo.wiki. However, I still think it is fairly insulting to both Romanians and Latin-script Moldovans that the mo.wiki is written in Cyrillic. Personally, I don't find it insulting, but I think many other people do, and will in the future. For Wikipedia, it seems a bit POV that we're supporting Cyrillic script to such an extent that we're transforming it into the "official script" for Moldovan language, even if there are clear links to Romanian content. For that reason, I propose that we keep the mo.wiki as redirecting to ro.wiki, and also linked to a mo-cyrillic domain which hosts the Cyrillic version. This would simply make it clear that Cyrillic is a minority script. This hasn't yet been done for any other examples - i.e. Serbian Wikipedia, but it could be done in the future. The fact is that the Romano-Moldovan context is a lot more complicated than the Serbo-Croatian context. With Croatian, it's written in Latin script. With Serbian, it's written mainly in Cyrillic script. Hence, even though they're basically the same language, it's a very easy decision to make regarding scripting. With Romano-Moldovan, it's much more complex. Both Romania and Moldova use Latin, but a minority of people in Moldova use Cyrillic. Then, there's the Transnistria issue, which, as you said, has official script as Cyrillic.

Concerning your point on ro.wiki inclusiveness, let me tell you some context about the Moldovan-Romanian relations and how inclusiveness would be perceived. These aren't my opinions, just opinions I've come across in Romanians. Sorry if I'm going into too much depth here, I just think it's good to clear up this issue in a detailed, non-superficial manner. So, I've found that there are two types of Romanians regarding Moldova:

• The Moldovan supporters - these people mainly regard Moldova as an integral part of Romania and support unification. These people strongly deny the existence of a Moldovan language. Now, I can imagine that they wouldn't take it too nicely to have the Romanian Wikipedia renamed Romano-Moldovan Wikipedia, not because they have anything against Moldova, but because they say that Moldovans and Romanians are the same people, and should just be called Romanians. These are the people which refer to Moldova as "Basarabia", a usage which personally I dislike a lot, since it basically assumes that Moldova isn't really an independent country.
• The Moldovan opposers - these people, one of which is Danutz, are patriotic Romanians who don't regard Moldovans as Romanians. They recognise the common historical link, but basically look down upon Moldovans and the Moldovan language as fairly backward. These people don't want close relations with Moldova, mainly because they believe Moldova is anti-Romanian. Interestingly, they also see Moldovan as the Romanian language. They would probably say that it's unfair that Romanian and Moldovan are given equal status, when Moldovan is spoken by less people and "isn't even a language". People like this would say, "if you recognise that you're speaking Moldovan, then don't join our Wikipedia. Go and found your own mo.wiki. Ro.wiki is only for those who recognise that they speak Romanian.

Now, from a NPOV, I still think it's a bit over-to-the-top to suggest that the Romanian Wikipedia should be renamed to the Romanian-Moldovan Wikipedia. I mean, 1/27th isn't a significant proportion, and making them equal with the other 27 million Romanian speakers isn't all that good an idea. It is a really complex issue, though, and the resolution lies in the fact of whether Moldovan is a separate language after all. You've decided to maintain a NPOV on this, but I think it's important to actually "solve" this problem since it's key to the case. Linguistically, they're the same language, but then again so are many other "separated" languages like Serbian/Bosnian/Croatian. Politically, they're different languages, and if we have a different Bosnian and Croatian wiki, we should also have a different Romanian and Moldovan wiki. Then, that Moldovan wiki should be in Latin script, because that's the official and most-widely used variant. In order to compound work, we could combine efforts and form a ro.wiki, but I'm not sure about the renaming to Romanian-Moldovan. We would have to do a poll on that, but I predict that it will be nearly unanimous that people will vote against a "Romanian-Moldovan" naming. I think the best way to get out of this situation is create a Moldovan Wikipedia for Cyrillic script at a separate subdomain, and keep the mo.wiki as a redirection wiki which can take you either to a Cyrillic version or the Romanian wiki in Latin script. I know that technically it's a bit stupid, because it would just create a redundant ro.wiki, but I don't think we'll be having problems if we implement this structure - the "Romanian nationalists" can't say anything, because a separate subdomain is set up, and the Moldovan-Cyrillic supporters also can't say anything, because at least they have their own wiki. What do you think? Ronline 09:23, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

PS: Concerning the Cyrillic alphabet and representation, I really have no idea, because I can't read in that alphabet (I'm from western Transylvania by the way, which is a world away from Moldova and the controversies related to it). However, concerning sounds, the и character is the 'standard' i, while the й is like an ending I, which is still sounded but not accentuated. The ь character is barely sounded, like in "Bucureşti" or "ţări". So, yes there is a difference, mainly to do with the accent and length of the sound. It's pretty great that the Cyrillic alphabet has these subtleties.

Thanks for your quick response. Concerning "If there is an mo-cyrillic, why not an mo-latin, ro-latin, and ro-cyrillic", it isn't the same. This is because there would be no need for mo-latin or ro-latin because Latin script is official for these languages. So, technically, there shouldn't even be a Moldovan Cyrillic Wikipedia because there already is a Moldovan (Moldo-Romanian) Latin Wikipedia. Hence, we need the mo-cyrillic at the end for this to show that we're forming a minority, or non-official, version of Wikipedia in a different script. "The Moldovan Wikipedia will, in theory, give equal treatment to both scripts." Well, no it won't, simply because the mo.wiki will be exclusively Cyrillic, despite the Latin notices at the start. All interwiki links which say "Moldoveana" will be to Cyrillic articles. People will think Moldovan is written mainly in Cyrillic script! "I'd be surprised if it's really that important to you" - to me personally, it's not really that important! It is important to the broader Romanian wiki community, though, especially since the mo.wiki will grow, much further than 50 visits a year, and it could potentially become a much bigger issue than it currently is now. What is pretty frustrating is the we aren't getting any input from the Mo-cyrillic contributors, who are still using anonymous IPs and who should actually be the ones getting more say in this. Ronline | Talk @ ro 12:23, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say that Wikipedia should follow official policy, but when something is both official and endorsed by the majority, I think those are very strong grounds. In this case, Moldovan is official in the Latin alphabet and the overwhelming majority use it in the Latin alphabet, so that provides strong grounds for mo.wiki being in the Latin alphabet. The other thing is that every decision we make is a point-of-view, even though Wikipedia is centered around the ideology of NPOV. One of Wikipedia's POVs is that it supports minority and regional language. This is why there is a Sicilian Wikipedia - the other POV would be that Sicilian is a dialect of Italian. Now, fact is that there are more grounds for proving Sicilian is a separate language, and coupled by the demand for a scn.wiki + Wikipedia's policy towards regional languages, we have a scn.wiki. Wikipedia has become so great due to this approach of tolerance and equality, and I'm not advocating against that. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a Cyrillic mo.wiki, it just shouldn't be the principal mo.wiki. A good example you gave was the Tatar Wikipedia. Now, we had the choice of choosing either Latin or Cyrillic. The "right" choice is Cyrillic, because that is the official version. Now I'm not that familiar with Tatar, but as far as I gather, Latin is used by more people and Untifler, the main contributor, uses Latin, and therefore Latin was chosen. Hence, Wikipedia showed a point-of-view, or bias, towards Latin. Now I personally agree with using Latin for Tatar, but by no means is it the only "right" decision. Because no-one's complained until now, there hasn't been a problem, but what if someone turns up and wants to create a Tatar wiki in Cyrillic script? You said "I think it is rediculous to use it as a redirect and then have a separate, longer domain for the simple reason that Cyrillic is not an official script." - I think what you mean here is that practically it is stupid to leave mo.wiki blank and form a new subdomain. Practically, yes. But at the same time, we must realise that sometimes the correct alternative may be a bit impractical yet we still need to do it. For example, it would be more pratical for South Africa to have just one official language - English, because nearly everyone understands it. However, it has 11 official languages in order to protect the African languages, which is the right and logical thing to do, yet it's impractical. So, by transforming mo.wiki into a Cyrillic-only wiki, which is will actually be (except for the main page), Wikipedia will be adopting the POV that it supports Cyrillic more than Latin for Moldovan. I know that's not really the case, but it makes it seem that way. Concerning assumptions on script based on interwiki, people will assume such things. They will see links to Moldovan articles in Cyrillic, it will really make it seem as if Cyrillic is the predominant script, which also has negative historical connotations due to Russia's domination over the Moldovan people and the imposition by force of the Cyrillic script during the USSR period. At the same time, I feel those 10% of people are important, I'm not trying to ignore their demands. However, they are a minority and, to say it bluntly, they don't deserve to be treated as a majority. It's also interesting that people have only made the demand for a secondary script on Moldo-Romanian. This hasn't happened for Tatar, Serbian and many other languages written in two or more scripts. I do think however that it will only be a matter of time before such things happen. Ronline | Talk @ ro 06:50, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"China"/"PRC" vs. "mainland China" for page titles

Following the long discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) regarding proper titling of Mainland China-related topics, polls for each single case has now been started here. Please come and join the discussion, and cast your vote. Thank you. — Instantnood 12:48, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)

I need your help

Hello Node. A request for arbitration has been filed against me at WP:RFAr by Snowspinner as the AMA advocate for jguk. What do you think I can do? — Instantnood 20:45, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Node. I will contact you when I need your help. — Instantnood 23:43, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Wiksimitaqi (Wikctionary)

Hi, Node. Allillanchu? I'm Huhsunqu. You'll see. I've post a request for the logo of quechuan Wiktionary (Wiksimitaqi) (http://qu:wiktionary.org) but, as you're maby wondering, nobody gave me any answer. I've been questioning if you can also make wiktionary logoes. Would you help us? Ah! by the way, qu: has got a new Main Page design, as soon as possible it'll have an a Help section to English speakers. Thanks. --Huhsunqu 00:14, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) PD: If you say yes, logo must say: "Wiksimitaqi - [] s., Wikimedia-pa qispi Runa Simipin simitaqi."

Your vote being taken off

Hello Node I would like to tell you that a vote you cast at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV/Taiwan vs. ROC was taken off (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28Chinese%29/NPOV/Taiwan_vs._ROC&oldid=12508236&diff=next) by this ip address. — Instantnood 07:09, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

"Xinjiang" in Uyghur

Hi Node, do you know what's the correct way of writing "Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region" in Uyghur? -- ran (talk) 21:45, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks node... what's wrong with the name given at Xinjiang, though? I thought Uyghur distinguished between "ya'" with two dots and without - the first one for the consonant, the second one for the vowel?

I don't think we have any native Yi names... or any native names so far, for that matter, except for a few exceptions (Guangxi). We don't even have Tibetan names for anything beyond Tibet Autonomous Region... -- ran (talk) 12:48, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

It would be great if you had any of these names.... I know that I don't. :P .. What do you have in mind, actually? Emailing the local governments? (Will they even reply? For some reason I doubt it.... they're probably all too busy "maintaining advanced ideological thinking" or something.) Or looking for it in a government publication or almanac? Or perhaps a dictionary or some other type of reference in a library... -- ran (talk) 07:05, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Whoa, now I'm impressed. Where did you find the names? -- ran (talk) 22:54, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

TW

There's a dispute between me and a couple users who want to label Taiwan a "nation". If you can, please take a look at Talk:Taiwan and weigh in...--Jiang 06:28, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Update to Birdidae articles

Just so that you know I have made an update to your birdidae article and also believe that your talk page needs a clean-up. MyNameIsNotBob 08:09, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Uyghur spellings

You should have looked at some source before you edited Uyghur names, for example the section on the alphabet in the article on the Uyghur language (Uyghur_language#Writing_system). Some of your recent "corrections" are wrong, for example "ئۈرۈمقی (Ürümk̢i)" instead of the correct ئۈرۈمچى (Ürümqi). Babelfisch 00:56, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

India

Hey you seem to be multilingual. I am currently trying to add as many interwiki links to the India page. Would you be kind enough to make a new page for India in all the languages you know. Thanks for your efforts,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:09, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Could you let me know which ones are incorrect? Most of the translations of the page are rendered as India. I have also taken the courtsey of asking key editors of that language wikipedias to add the page. I admit some of them may be incorrect, but after a week after I revisit the site, I find that either the page is redirected or the contents added. I only had a problem for Vietnamese and Belorussion. The former now has a page and for the latter I've put up a request. In my recent edits, I have realised that it may be construed as vandalism, so have have only put up images. Thanks,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 05:42, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you removed the sw, tpi & ps. For tpi see: (http://tpi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandi). From Afghanistan: ps: & ar: have the same unicode rendering. I've derived the sw: version from here: (http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiingereza). -- I'll contact someone on those wikipedias for a translation. Sorry for the inconvenience caused.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 06:25, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

A clarification: km:India was added by a native speaker of Khmer, User:Squash; he might add to that later (you may check the history there). While I am guilty of adding to many wikipedias, please keep in mind that in some there is no rendering of India in the local native American languages, and I believed that the name was true. I have stopped editing in other wikipedias, if there is no obvious India page. (But if there is an India version in a red link I will add the images and try a rudimentary translation like I did in tpi and jv). PS. I have been largely sucessful in having the pages translated as you may have seen. Anyways, I've finished most of my translations & I've put up requests for yiddish, mongolian and a few others.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 20:33, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Might I also suggest that instead of putting the above mentioned pages up for deleting, the same can be stubbed into the actual article?  =Nichalp (Talk)= 20:35, May 29, 2005 (UTC)

Translation

As per the policy on the english wikipedia and a few other wikipedias, any non-english text is put up for translation. If there are different ways that the name can be rendered, the present page is redirected to its local name. As I glean in meta, all country articles are needed to be translated. Therefore I don't think you should put up all the India pages I've created for deletion when it needs to be translated to the local languages. Though, I've put written it in english, I have also been kind enough to include national images and interwiki links to all the wikipedias in the hope that a non-English wikipedian will get at the least a visual clue as to what the article is about.

Here's the text that I think should be translated: The Republic of India is located in South Asia and shares its borders with Pakistan, the People's Republic of China, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal and Bhutan. Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and Indonesia are the adjacent island nations. India is the second most populous country in the world with a population of over one billion, and is the seventh largest country by geographical area. Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism are the main religions in India.

Thanks for the reply,  =Nichalp (Talk)= 06:31, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Yiddish translation.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 10:14, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)

Talk Page Clean-Up

In accordance with Wikipaedia bylaws, you must clean up your talk page, or it will be deleted. Clean-Up includes deleting all comments you find to be critical of your views, changing comments retroactively to make other people seem like they were full of shit when they left you a comment, and of course, translating your entire talk page into Limba Sarda, or Tok Pisin. Or Ainu.--sébastien, ネーサン・ピアッツァ, 寧森, 彭立生, JojoBob McBugelheimburgerson 01:33, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

Question about the Zakimi gusuku article that you wrote

What was your source for this article?*Kat* 02:02, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)