Talk:Tori Amos
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wondering if it's a good idea to describe Tori Amos as "classically trained" when she got "kicked out" of the Peabody Conservatory because she refused to play the classical music the "right way," and to this day can't read sheet music (i'm pretty sure she's mentioned this all in multiple interviews). Thoughts? Ansate 17:38, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
- Not sure where you're getting your info, but it's completely incorrect. Firstly, she WAS classically trained, as the youngest person admitted into the Peabody conservatory, where she was a student for several years (and she continued to recieve training after her ejection.) There was never a time when Tori Amos COULDN'T read sheet music; she simply didn't want to do it during her time at the Peabody (in favor of instead ignoring the sheet music and doing her own interpretations.) This was WHY she was ejected from Peabody, and also why her 1988 album was called "Y Kant Tori Read" - it was a joke. And she most certainally CAN read sheet music to this day, nor has she EVER stated otherwise in an interview. (visit the web site "Yes, Said" for an extensive archive of Tori Amos articles over the past 14 years.) 66.157.60.114 23:43, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
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The Scarlets Walk copy protection.
In an attempt to prevent Internet trading of the album, Amos, in conjunction with her husband and crew, invented a special kind of glue to bind closed portable CD players containing the album. These were then distributed to the press on the understanding that they would be returned within forty-eight hours. If an attempt was made to open the player, both it and the disc inside would shatter. The success of this attempt was so great that the record industry began to follow suit.
I guess Tori had never heard of the analog hole has she? You can just take a 2 plug headphones wire, hook up the portable cd player to a computer and turn on a recording program that will record it from the mixed input setting. You can make very high quality rips that way as long as the volume settings and everything else is right.
So there ya go, I just ruined the Tori Amos copy protection. ----Arm
- Gosh, that was catty. Hey, guess what Mr. Catty-person? You can disable the analog input, or cement it shut with more glue. :P Pacian 17:33, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Gosh that was a brainless reply Pacian. Maybe if you read the analog hole article youde understand what I meant instead of just compulsivly replying and not even understanding what I am talking about.
Disable the analog input? Huh? You mean on the cd player or the computer? If you disable it on the cd player (by breaking the cd player or gluing the headphones hole shut I assume) then the intenction to send it to the press for review is completly destroyed since the cd wont play.
And if you mean disable the analog input, well if a ripper takes it to his computer he can just turn on analog input.Arm
very full article, be careful though, proper usage is to refer to the surname rather than the given name.JFQ
oops - I just wrote in a recent change that "More Pink" was a bootleg. It's not, but neither is it a proper separate album release; it was a bonus disc to a special tour edition of Under The Pink, it was never released separately. --AW
My word, this is an appalling image. :-) I've emailed the owner of The Dent (http://www.thedent.com) to see if he has any decent images he'd be willing to release to us... Evercat 02:47, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Now done. I think this one's better. :-) Evercat 17:56, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
<rant> I deleted the word "literally" in the sentence "[she]...literally invented a kind of glue...". As opposed to what, metaphorically inventing it? It's a small point and some may think this is being pedantic, but sloppy English like this bugs the hell out of me! The article is all the better for its excision. <\rant> GRAHAMUK 04:01, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- <RANT>Psudo-HTML end tags should use a slash, not a BACKSLASH character. I realize it may seem pedantic, but sloppy coding like this literally bugs the hell out of me!!!</RANT>
What about her relationship with Neil Gaiman and her appearance in his Sandman graphic novels?2toise 11:30, 18 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I would like to see a source citation for the paragraph regarding the "special kind of glue." This was confusing and raised a number of questions. Was this exclusively a publicity stunt, limited to a few copies? Otherwise all copies of the album would be useless for the general public. If it was a limited stunt, how could it realistically impact the ability of the public to rip/burn the album? It seems highly illogical and improbable that anyone in the recording industry would produce CDs that glued shut CD players. With all due respect to the author, this paragraph comes off as an urban legend. Citation would lend it credibility. P.S.- The current photo is also rather scary. There are a lot better photos of Tori out there that look more like her. I'd be great to see a different one. -- New Visitor & owner of the album in question. 3:10, 25 Mar 2004 (PST)
- I think the paragraph says it was a few copies which were sent out ahead of the actual release to reviewers. I have no idea if Amos ever did this, but many artists have, so it doesn't seem unlikely. Tuf-Kat 11:19, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
- Before the commonality of internet music trading, artists and labels would often issue full-length promotional copies of their CDs (often with unique packaging) to music industry professionals for the purpose of review. The technology of copy-protected CDs was invented to prevent this, but it was flawed and often broke people's CD-players. For Scarlet's Walk, Amos and her husband and crew invented a glue-substance; they then put promotional copies of the album inside CD-discmen and glued them shut; these were mailed out to industry professionals with the demand of their return within a specific time frame. If one attempted to open them, the disc would shatter inside the device. This is what occurred. Pacian 03:44, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the note, Pacian at Talk:Fiona Apple. I have removed the see also to because no explanation of why one should also see them is given. Tuf-Kat 05:29, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC)
Kate Bush is explained. The other two are fairly obvious Tori analogues for readers seeking similar artists e.g. [1] (http://livedaily.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/overview/index__cat_id--5215,keyword--Tori%20Amos,prod_id--6092977.html). Having said that, I see that neither Coldplay nor Muse "also see" Radiohead; and David Sylvian doesn't peripherally eyeball Bryan Ferry, so... 'tis no big.
- That is exactly the danger of doing "sounds-likes" in articles. You see, though many critics compared Amos to Bush, especially early in her career, her many fans have always shunned this comparison (myself included); I think they are nothing alike save for an affinity for the piano. And for some reason Tori is always lumped in with Bjork/Harvey because the three did a magazine cover together in 1994, and they are friends. But Tori Amos and Bjork are such complete polar-opposites musically, it's rediculous to list them as 'alike'. Pacian 17:30, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi, Pacian. Are we still discussing this? It was removed because it's not done for other artists. The rest is your opinion, which I respect but disagree with. chocolateboy 18:28, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Are you sure that it's Delirium in the Sandman comics who is supposed to resemble Amos? She's an early teen with short hair. Despite being a brunette, I always thought it was Death who had more in common with Tori. And she did write the intro to Death: the High Cost of Living, too.
Sandman
Are you sure that it's Delirium in the Sandman comics who is supposed to resemble Amos? She's an early teen with short hair. Despite being a brunette, I always thought it was Death who had more in common with Tori. And she did write the intro to Death: the High Cost of Living, too. Bjones
- chocolateboy 04:11, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Tori wasn't kicked out of PEabody
Her scholarship simply wasn't renewed...remember the Amos' weren't rich.
- Which is tantamount to being ejected/kicked-out. If she had opted to pay her own way she still would not have been allowed back in because they decided she was not following the curriculum.
Photo
Surely someone can find a better photo of Tori than the one posted.
"Fans" section
Is this section necessary?