Talk:Super Nintendo Entertainment System
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The user WhisperToMe is moving all videogame systems to their Japanese rather than English title. I checked on Google "Super Nintendo" returns 373,000 hits, while "Super Famicom" returns 32,700. I think they should stop and return the pages to where they were originally to avoid creating confusion. M123 16:50, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- This is the English language wikipedia. The names he is using are the correct international names used in most of the English speaking world. For example, I'm English and I am used to the names he is using (in most cases). CGS 17:02, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC).
- I've never heard of Super Famicom. If the page exists as Super Nintendo, it should be left there and Super Famicom set up as a redirect. There is no need to create extra work by moving pages around. Angela 17:10, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I've followed the video game market a little, and have heard of Super Famicom. I'm fairly certain that in Japan, only, was the SNES marketed as the Super Famicom; almost everywhere else in the world, it was marketed as the Super NES. I think it should stay at its old title, with perhaps a mention of the Super Famicom name. Same for Famicom and NES, and any others that had different Japanese market names. -- Wapcaplet 17:58, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Since almost the entire world (except Japan) calls the system SNES, the article should be Super Nintendo Entertainment System and not Super Famicom. Marknew 19:25, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Super Famicom is only one example. A better example is moving Genesis to Megadrive because that is the name most people know it by. CGS 18:12, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC).
- The terms Famicom and Megadrive are unknown in North America. As for Genesis/Megadrive. Google gives 196,000 for "Sega Genesis" and 47,200 for "Sega Megadrive". Whisper is moving pages from where they've been for years to new places, which I think is unneccesary. M123 18:16, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Just moved "Mega Man" to "RockMan" a quick googling 109,000 '"Mega Man" Nintendo' vs. 1,660 '"RockMan" Famicom'. M123 18:48, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- One of the problems created by these moves is that throughout the entire article it apparently becomes necessary to say "Mega Man/Rock Man" or "NES/Famicom", which makes it pretty hard to read. I don't have a problem with articles being moved to a new name as long as the majority of the English-speaking population knows it by that name, but I disagree with moving Mega Man to Rock Man. Every gamer I have ever met, and even a lot of non-gamers, are familiar with Mega Man. Only the more dedicated gamers are aware of the name Rock Man. -- Wapcaplet 19:37, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- That's gamers that you have met. Unless you have travelled a lot, that's just your neck of the woods. CGS 20:35, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC).
I think the Google counts are a good indicator of which name is more popular in the online English-speaking world. We are not interested in English speakers who are not online because they are not reading Wikipedia. Therefore, let us bow to the majority, and put everything back to their US names. --Nelson 00:20, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Well, Google counts are a good indicator of which name is more popular among those who are involving "English web-site creation"! The first change is not necessary, but a revert maybe equally unnecessary. wshun 01:33, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I seriously think that English pages on the WWW are definitely skewed towards the United States. So it should be no surprise that most names would be the American version. I myself know MegaMan as RockMan. --seav 05:00, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)
proposed merge
Shouldn't we merge Super Famicom with this article? They're just different names for essentially the same thing... Martin 13:43, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, but people will argue over whether to merge Super Famicom into the SNES article or to merge SNES into Super Famicom. User:WhisperToMe was moving all the video game system to their "correct" names not so long ago. See Talk:Sega Megadrive for an idea of the problems this could cause. Also technically the Super Famicom is different, but only trivially. M123 15:31, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- They're not just slightly different, they're exactly the same. You can cut two small clips inside a super nintendo and play super famicom games. I should know, I've done it! You can sum up the differences in a single paragraph in the console's history. While there's no limit to the size of wikipedia, there's no sense in having two articles on the exact same system. --Gamera2 04:18, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I don't care which article they are merged to, but I agree that they should be merged. Though, they aren't "exactly the same" - the exterior appearance of the PAL console is different from the US version - but for all intents and purposes they are the same machine, with the same technical specifications (aside from minor differences). A picture of both systems would be super (no pun intended). -- Wapcaplet 23:34, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Clarification: "Super Famicom" is the japaneese name. "Super Nintendo" is the NSTC version name and the europian name is also "Super Nintendo" Extremely Simple Summary (http://noshir.free.fr/snes/history_snes.html). Until the Genisis/megadrive mess is sorted out, I'm going to put the contents of Nintendo Super Family Computer into Super Famicom since the Offical Nintendo Name (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/shvc/index.html) is "Super Famicom" --Gamera2 01:36, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Clarification: The NTSC standard isn't USA only. NTSC is used in Japan as well. You were right about Super Famicom being the Japanese Model though. As for the merge, I would say do the same thing that has been done with the Famicom and NES. When Famicom is searched, it redirects to Nintendo Entertainment Center. So do the same thing for Super Famicom redirecting to Super Nintendo Entertainment System. --Eiberri 12:45, 2 Apr 2005
- There is history to be written about the super famicom. But for now, a good idea might be to put the super famicom under a "model" subsection of sorts. Does this sound good? Since there's the super famicom, the european model, the NA model, and the revised NA model. Any objections to this? Just my 2 cents. --Gamera2 05:39, 28 Aug 2003 (UTC)
This discussion (and problem) is also taking place elsewhere. --Gamera2 01:36, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)
-- What I did with the Megadrive/Genesis articles was... talk about how the console did in the United States in the Genesis article, and how it did in Europe, Japan, Asia, and Australasia in the Megadrive article.
See, each console can have different things happen to it under a different name. There are interesting notes about the Super Famicom logo, since that logo appears in all 3 version of Super Mario World (although the SNES name was used in Europe and the US)
Hence, I split the articles and talked about the US stuff under its US name, the European stuff as its European name, and the Japanese stuff under its Japanese name. The SNES name is used in Europe and the US, so the specific things that apply to the console in those two markets are documented under the SNES article. Likewise, the stuff in Japan that happened to the Super Famicom is talked about in the Super Famicom article.
Likewise, the Genesis was only released in the Americas, so only stuff that was related to the console in the Americas is under the Genesis name. And stuff in Europe, Japan, and Australia relating to the console is under the Sega Megadrive name.
Also, the Japanese language links point to the Super Famicom and Sega Megadrive articles.
-- Whisper
Nothing seems to be happening (at least not lately), but just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. I think that although the Super FamiCom is ultimately the same as the SNES, if I were to actually type in that title, I would like to know about the Japanese model (at least its key differences, fan following, etc). Unless the model explanations were put at the top of the SNES' entry, I would NOT appreciate being redirected to the Super Nintendo entry. That being said, information that is duplicated should be removed and kept on the Super Nintendo page to ensure it is correct. -- Dunro
- Nintendo Entertainment System and Famicom were merged, and I don't think anyone has complained. Fredrik | talk 17:54, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah. Doing so also helped the flow of the article, and provided for a much easier way of highlighting the similarities/differences between the two versions. – Seancdaug 18:35, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
Very last licensed game ever released?
Anyone know the very last licensed SNES game ever released in the final months of the SNES's market in North America? I remember there was a Kirby game I think in 1998 and a game with giant robots (whose limbs were each individual sprites and they walked humanoid-realistically, at least for a 2D game) soon after... --69.234.233.69 04:53, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- According to NOA it was Zoop released in January 2000 [1] (http://www.nintendo.com/doc/snes_games.pdf). Masken 11:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Correction
"The redesigned model was never released outside of North America."
This is incorrect, as a similar redesigned "Super Famicom Jr." was sold in Japan, and was still for sale possibly as late as 2001. It used to be on Nintendo's official (Japanese) site up until around then anyway.
I have also noted how the PAL SNES looks identical to the Super Famicom, and how the SNES was released in Ireland the same time as the UK (though I don't know how much the price was here). I changed the part saying how the MD/Genesis was cheaper to say how the games were also cheaper - this was certainly the case over here anyway, as new SNES games were often £10-20 more than MD games.--Zilog Jones 10:39, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)