User talk:Yu Ninjie

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If you post a new topic, please use informative and sensible titles. If relevant, it'd be useful if you could specify the article or image you are referring to. Otherwise I may need to change it to allow for easier reference. Also, I'd appreciate it if you'd sign your comments.

Please don't ask me about the status of images I've uploaded in the past. All those not tagged appropriately may be deleted if they are thought to violate copyright.

• /Archive 2004

Contents

1 Manchu conquest 2 tagging your uploaded images 3 Uploading Shang Dynasty map to Commons 4 Han commanderies map 5 Image copyright 6 Your Han Dynasty maps 7 Torrens title and South Australia 8 Your maps 9 Translations 10 Source of picture 11 Qin maps 12 Informative Caption 13 Categorising law articles

Manchu conquest

I came across Manchu conquest in orphaned pages and after wikilinking the text I found, I noticed it seemed sort of incomplete. I was wondering if there was a reason for this (such as a botched copy and paste perhaps?) I do not know enough about this (though I have seen The Emperor and the Assassin, its related isn't it?) to compelte the article.

The article ends:

After scoring successive victories, the most famous one near the town of Sarhu, the Manchus went on to seize

Which as you can see looks like the sentance was cut half thru.

Thanks--ZayZayEM 06:36, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

tagging your uploaded images

Thanks for uploading Lu Zhishen.jpg. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Squallwc 06:19, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Uploading Shang Dynasty map to Commons

I'll repeat what a lot of people have already said: your maps for the different chinese dinasties are really great ;), they're quality maps, not unlike another maps in wikipedia articles. Thanks for them ;).

And now a question. I'm in the process of translating the Shang Dynasty article for the spanish wikipedia, and i also would like to include your map, but after browsing thru your user page and seeing all the maps you've done, i've thought that a better place for them would be Commons, so all wikipedias has easy access to them. Could you upload them to Commons, please :)? Dabisu 22:34, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply. Currently I'm in the process of standardising my existing maps. Over this year, I hope to be able to cover all the periods of Chinese history. I do hope to be able to translate them into other languages. An example of one I've done already is the Three Kingdoms map on Japanese wikipedia [1] (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Sanguo_map.jpg) --Yu Ninjie 04:45, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi Yu. It would be great to have these maps translated to spanish ;). Indeed it would be only neccesary to translate some things, like footnotes and legends, because the chinese place names in pinyin as in the english maps are ok. If you need some help with the spanish, send me a note ;). But please do it in my user talk [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dabisu) so i can see it as soon as possible ;). Dabisu 20:49, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, will do mate. --Yu Ninjie 21:12, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Han commanderies map

On your map, near Tai Lake, its should be Huiji, not Kua Ji.[3] (http://pub16.bravenet.com/photocenter/album.php?usernum=1312371940)

Some errors regarding, just two notes:

1. The commanderies/guo of Han were hundred and three by the 2CE (Han Shu 28 3b) not eighty-three, you might want to take a look at Zhongguo lishi ditu, try pg 6-7, its stated there. ;)

2. The Qin's Beidi are quite different the Western Han, the earlier Beidi had its seat at Yiqu (somewhere around Zhenyuan), while the later ones had shifted to Maling county (somewhere around Qingyang), however I do know this is not a GIS mapping. Anyway, well done. ;)

Let me address your corrections one at a time.

1. I have read your reference in Zhongguo lishi ditu. It states: "In terms of local administrative areas, the Western Han in its later stages was divided into 105 commanderies, kingdoms and dependant states." (西汉后期的地方行政区划以一百零三郡、国) Following the "Treatise of Geography" (地理志) in Han Shu, the breakdown of the 103 units is 83 commanderies, 20 kingdoms.

2. You are right about the commandery seat of Beidi. The Han seat of Beidi would have been not more than 55 km north of the Qin one. If you compare my Qin and Han maps, I think you'll find that the difference, though negligible, is reflected.

As for the commandery of 会稽, I have chosen to follow the conventional pronounciation used in Western academia. You might like to check out volume 1 of the authoritative Cambridge History of China. I'm sure there are archaic etymological reasons for this, though they are beyond me. --Yu Ninjie 22:25, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Actually you're right, my version of Zhongguo lishi ditu never mentioned anything about the breakdown on the Map-Group of Western Han, it might due to the different publishing that I'm holding. However, I did mentioned that commanderies/guo should be hundred and three by 2CE account, there's nothing about it, its seem you leave out two of the kingdoms (its 18 there).

On the "Western Han in its later stages", that, actually refering to the later states of Han Dynasty in 140CE (Hou Hanshu 113 b5), the Xin probably had a different names for every commanderies, probably even lesser.

Regarding Kua ji, I think that's more common pronounciation distorted by the southerner like the wuese, an outsider like me wouldn't think of hui as kua anyway. ;)

"Western Han in its later stages" is obviously referring to CE 2. That is when the empire-wide census that appears in the Hou Han shu was taken. But you are quite right that I have only marked 18 kingdoms. I wonder where the other two could be... --Yu Ninjie 09:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My guess that you had confused with 105 to 103, "Western Han in its later stages was divided into 105 commanderies, kingdoms and dependant states (1180 seats)" is referring to the 140CE under the regin of Shun Di.

Perhaps this could help you out on the other two, shown below:

豫州：梁国、鲁国

兖州：城阳国、淮阳国、东平国

徐州：泗水国、广陵国、楚国

青州：淄川国、胶东国、高密国

冀州：赵国、广平国、真定国、中山国、信都国、河间国

幽州：广阳国

扬州：六安国

荆州：长沙国

No, the 105 commanderies, kingdoms and dependent states is under the Eastern Han. That was clear from the beginning, since dependent states didn't have commandery-level status in the Western Han.

I've now updated the map to include all 20 kingdoms, plus one more - that of Dingtao. On some maps it is listed as Jiyin commandery (濟陰郡). I'm still not to sure about the status of this place. In Han shu, under Jiyin commandery (Zhonghua shuju edition, p. 1571), it states that in 151 BC the commandery was made a kingdom. Then, in 52 BC the name was changed to Dingtao. But it doesn't mention the kingdom reverted to a commandery or otherwise. Was it a commandery or kingdom?

Also, I'm still a bit short on commanderies. I counted on the map 78 (79 including Jiyin or Dingtao). So that still leaves four commanderies unaccounted for. --Yu Ninjie 20:32, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No to what, I know very clear what a dependent states is from the very beginning,

the fact that you incautiously stated it as 105 commanderies, kingdoms and dependant states during the Western Han in its later stages, which is utterly wrong.

No its still a kingdom, a clear defined can be seen from later histories.

Oh yes, I see my error now - a careless mistake. Yes, it should be 103. When you say "clear defined can be seen from later histories", can you be more specific? Like, give some references. --Yu Ninjie 22:24, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright

Thank you for uploading Image:Benkei.gif and for stating the source. However, its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. If it is open content or public domain, please give proof of this on the image page. If the image is fair use, please provide a rationale. Thank you. --Ellmist 18:38, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

All those images I've uploaded which are not tagged appropriately may be deleted if they are thought to violate copyright. --Yu Ninjie 22:34, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Your Han Dynasty maps

I'll have to clarify this, but firstly, what does the map represent? As a Northerner, I don't see how the cantonese would have been considered as "Han" from as early to the Western Han. I wouldn't tend to think the early Chinese settlement would had reached Kwangtung by constant -- as oppose to the north, btw, does this resemble the "Han" settlement or just an accumulation of population by various tribes, beacuse by population ratio, there were more tribal locals than Centerian on the sight of lower Pearl basin, basically there are more cantonese speakers in Guangxi than in Kwangtung, the Zhuangs could be included though. Second, what does the commanderies have to do with this by the way? It won't be necessary to have all the commanderies if you're going to show otherwise.

Lol, Its okay if you can't take my advice.

I'm assuming you are referring to either of my Han dynasty maps ([4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Han_commanderies_and_kingdoms_CE_2.jpg), [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Han_commanderies%2C_kingdoms_and_dependent_states_CE_140.jpg)). These maps represent the spread of cities and towns under the authority of the Han Dynasty. They do not seek to show the spread of Han Chinese as an ethnic group, but merely political control. Commanderies, as centres of political power, are shown for the same reason. --Yu Ninjie 06:43, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Torrens title and South Australia

South Australia was in fact a province of Great Britain as opposed to a colony. Refer to the state's article. - Aaron Hill 12:02, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Yep, thanks Aaron. I actually checked the article this morning and noted the correction. --Yu Ninjie 12:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your maps

Your maps are great. But it would be nice if the maps are bilingual. It is not easy to tell which place it is from the pinyins with no diatrics. :-) Happy editing. — Instantnood 06:15, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

That is a good idea, Instandhood, but I'm afraid there's just no space for Chinese characters. If you take a look at my maps of Han dynasty commanderies [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Han_commanderies_and_kingdoms_CE_2.jpg) or [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Han_commanderies_and_kingdoms_CE_140.jpg), I think you'll see what I mean. I'm thinking of either simplifying those maps (the text is too bunched up), or else providing an index with Chinese characters. --Yu Ninjie 21:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes I understand that. Anyways the maps are really great. :-D — Instantnood 08:21, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Just want to add that your maps are great and that Wikipedia is privileged to have you working for her. Keep up the good work. Mandel 17:02, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks heaps for the encouragement Mandel. I do try to do a lot of research for each one, which is why they take usually a few months to produce. For the one I'm working on now, the Three Kingdoms, I'm drawing up a tally of battle sites from 208 to 280 to show the main areas of conflict. Probably it will be published in July - which I know is quite some time away! --Yu Ninjie 04:45, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Translations

Hi Yu ;). I've put the spanish translation for the Han Map in my page [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dabisu). I think i didn't forgot anything. Currently i'm translating the Song dinasty article for the spanish wikipedia, it would be great to have your Song maps translated too into Spanish. In fact, it would be great to have any of your maps translated, so let me know if you need me to translate more chinese dinasties maps. Dabisu 20:38, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the speedy work mate. I'd like to put a credit to you on the Spanish map. Shall I use "Dabisu" or is there a proper name you'd like me to use? I'm working on finalising my maps of the Three Kingdoms and Qin dynasty, so I'll certainly let you know. --Yu Ninjie 22:30, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I've uploaded the completed Spanish version as Dinastía Han occidental.jpg (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagen:Dinast%C3%ADa_Han_occidental.jpg). If you have time, maybe you'd consider translating the expanatory notes I've attached to the image. ;)--Yu Ninjie 07:54, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I use the user "davidge" in the spanish wikipedia, and my name is David Gómez. Anyway, i think the merit of these maps is only yours ;). Thanks for the fast uploading ;). I'm going to add rigth now the image to the article. Dabisu 07:57, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

By the way, i found one small typo in the image. You'd put "Regiones Accidentales" and it should be "Regiones occidentales". Dabisu 09:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh right, I'll get that corrected right away. --Yu Ninjie 09:34, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

hi. i notice your edits to mabo. when naming judges write "justice smith" or "chief justice smith" rather than "smith j" or "smith cj". Xtra 08:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Source of picture

Hi, i noticed you uploaded a portrait of Yuan Shao in August 2004. i'd like to confirm with you if the source of the portrait is indeed a Qing Dynasty edition of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Thanks a lot! --Plastictv 13:12, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Qin maps

Hi Yu. I guess you're pretty busy, i don't see too much talk in your discussion page ;). Anyway i wanted to ask you about that Qin maps you were working on, or in another other maps i could help you to translate. I recently finished the Qin article traslation in the wikipedia in spanish, so it'd be great to have a Qin map of yours in the article ;). Dabisu 21:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Informative Caption

Woa, it's so cool that when I clicked on the thumbnail of Image:Han foreign relations CE 2.jpg, I saw a really extensive caption! It's so much information the image description page is like an article! Good job! --Menchi 19:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Categorising law articles

Hi! I first came across your user page while seeing who else was in wikiproject aust law, and I just saw that you added a law article in Special:Newpages. When adding new law articles, especially on case law, it would be great if you could categorise them. For a list of law categories, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Law

The reason for that is because otherwise the page becomes what's known as an orphan - it's not linked from anywhere else and so would be less likely to be visited (unless searches for the exact name!). Thanks - and good luck in your exams (is it exam period at unsw at well?)

Enochlau 05:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)