User talk:Ping
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Thanks for the fantastic articles on the various Maori Wars! As a fellow New Zealander I'm sort of ashamed I don't know more about them (aside from Maurice Shadbolt novels...). Keep up the great work Lisiate 20:52 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- The Imperial Troops and then later the Colonial Forces never captured a completed and defended Pa but they did learn how to neutralise the problem. Although cheap and easy to build a Modern Pa did require a significant input of labour and resouces. By the wholesale destruction of the Maori economic base, the destruction of the society itself, they were sometimes able to them unaaffordable. This was the reasoning behind the bush scouring expeditions of Chute and McDonnell in the Second Taranaki War.
This is a very strong statement Ping, and in fact I don't think this language can be justified. As far as I know there was never any attempt to bring about either "the wholesale destruction of the Maori economic base" or "the destruction of the society itself". Both of these things would have required a nationwide campaign. Yet none of the campaigns in the maori wars was ever truly nationwide in scope. Both of these things would have required a policy of attack on maori civilian (non-combatant) populations away from the area of immediate conflict. That never happened, indeed almost all of the fighting occurred around fortified pa, and the British aim seems to have always been to achieve a 'decisive' military victory by defeating maori combatants in the field. Wouldn't it much more accurate to describe these bush scouring campaigns as simply efforts to cut off supply lines. The language you are using suggests a campaign of genocide. hawthorn
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Hi Ping, I've added a link to Te Kooti's bio in your excellent new page on Te Kooti's War and links to Maurice Shadbolt's novel and the movie Utu (which I think borrows some scenes/themes from it). Hope you don't mind. Lisiate 09:17 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Re your comment on my page, I may have got the two mixed up. Have you already done an article on VOlkner? If so we should probably move the movie reference there. My recollection of the movie is also pretty hazy, but I remember thinking some of Te Wheke's raids reminded me of Te Kooti and the movie seems to me to be based in the East Coast region. Lisiate 09:26 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hi Ping I belatedly came across your comments on Talk:Maori culture. The article is a good start as you say, but I have a couple of niggles, especially with the first sentence. If I do an edit, and let you know when I do, could you have a look to see if I have managed to put it in better perspective or whether it should remain as is? I've put this (your) page on watch, so please answer here. Cheers. Moriori 21:04, 14 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Morning,
As for Duncan Cameron (general); in my opinion, the article as is stands is not badly POV in any means, especially compared to really bad examples. However, couple of things could be voiced somewhat differently.
It is clear in the third paragraph that the views expressed are those of the governor. However, in the previous paragraph there is part the Maori had the temerity to insist on their independence when it is not clear yet that this was probably his view as well.
One historian at least believes - who? It sounds as if it may not be widely accepted view (although it may be based on accurate data - popularity need not to have anything to do with accuracy). What reasons the historian gives for his conclusion? And if he/she (or anybody else, for that matter) has written a book about Cameron, you could include it at the end of the article as a further reading.
The article does display the somewhat common pro-soldier-anti-politician attitude (which I do share in some extent, by the way :-7 but...). If you could include some details - for example add examples of the worsening relationship between Cameron and the governor, specifics about what exactly they disagreed - that could both increase the amount of information and let the reader see the specific reasons why Cameron's attitudes may have been justified.
Sorry for the nitpicking and semanticisim. I also cleared some typos. - Nilmerg 09:51, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
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Maori intermarriage
Thanks for the comment. I was aware of the high rate of intermarriage among the Maori community, I didn't realize that there is considered to be a high rate among the Pakeha. It is amazing that little research has been done on this. I understand that there is a study due to come out soon based on the 1996 census. Could provide some interesting information. Rmhermen 12:38, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
- I just looked through the Maori article and found it didn't even mention intermarriage. Do you think you could add something? Rmhermen 13:19, May 27, 2004 (UTC)
Sympson the Joiner
- Sympson the Joiner survived VfD with two Del votes (including the nomination to VfD), three explicit Keep votes, and two arguable implicit Keeps (via mentions of Cleanup).
- In accord with severalWP:CU mentions, it
- went on,
- got a one-word M(inor) edit after 18 minutes, and
- was kicked off by one editor after 14 hours, with summary "nothing more is likely to turn up".
- Your comment at Talk:Sympson the Joiner#Should this be Merged? would assist me in determining what next.
--Jerzy(t) 04:25, 2004 Aug 16 (UTC)
=="Maori Wars" articles now in category==
Hi Ping - great articles on the Maori Wars... a little PoV in places, but it's a difficult subject to stay 100% "Kupapa" on that subject. There's a new category for them (Category: New Zealand land wars). I think I've caught all the articles and categorised them, but I may have missed some - any chance you could see whether there are any you've done that I've missed? Also any of the Maori leaders of the wars that you've written articles on: they should be in the Category: Maori people. Again, i think I've caught most of them, but you might spot some that I've missed! Cheers (and keep up the good work!) Grutness 06:50, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Possible task?
Hi Ping - I've come across an article which I think you'd be able to do a far better job on than I could... Have a look at Te Puea Herangi - it's a bit of a mess at the moment. If you feel like doing some Wiki tidying this might suit your talents!
PS - don't worry - I'm not going to make a habit of getting you to do work on things :) It just seemed like this one needed some TLC.
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Maori
Hi, thanks for your comment. Point taken, but I think my confusion makes a pertinent point! I think people would be far less likely to have confusion with that phrasing than with the counter-intuituve (if, as you say, correct) idea of sailing in a canoe. Cheers, Smoddy (t) (e) 14:33, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Adminship vote
I nominated Sesel for adminship; if you are interested you can vote at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Sesel. Guettarda 21:48, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Dew Point Temperature
Should the title of that article be capitalized? I would tend to uncapitalize it. Thue | talk 09:26, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
- I moved to Dew point temperature and then redirected to dew point. Thue | talk 10:10, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Plant articles
It would be a great help if you would add a {{plant-stub}} tag to the end of the articles you are creating right now. That way, others will know to come along and expand them. --Xcali 05:25, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Heliotropic
I redirected your stub article Heliotropic to Heliotropism. Speaking from experience you should always check carefully when you are creating new articles whether it already exists under another name, and also try to to at least include a few well-formatted sentences and a category if you create a stub. NTK 08:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Quite right, the appropriate thing to do then before creating a stub is figure out if there's an appropriate redirect and then put one there yourself. Easier than creating a proper stub that will be overwritten anyway. Wikipedia's "go" button is rather picky, a Google search usually gets you to the right place though, and redirects also help out. In any event, it's not a large jump from Heliotropic to Heliotropism—it's standard form in encyclopedias to have article titles be the noun form when possible. NTK 08:35, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)