User talk:Efghij

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Hi, Efghij. Your effort of creating the X of Franks articles was certainly appreaciated but they are subjected to correction. Please read the top part of Talk:List_of_French_monarchs/archive_1 thanx User:kt2.

Probably well-meaning, but not a good move to start labeling King of Franks just yet. Triton

The Merovingians are quite a mess with thier Kingdoms of Neustria and Austrasia. For example, there where three Kings named Chilperic: Chilperic I of Neustria; Chilperic II of Neustria who was also Chilperic I of Austrasia; and Chilperic II, King of the Franks. Disambiguation of some sort is nesseccary, however it might be better to leave this to more experianced user, as I seem to have screwed up certain files (eg Chilperic I of the Franks). Efghij

I certainly would not recommend that. Wikipedia is built through cooperative discusion and work. Imagine if everyone leave articles that one's not good at to more experianced user(s), wikipedia will became a circus of a limited number of contributors in no time. So please Be bold in updating pages (please read). At the same time shaked up any emotion or gut feeling while not hesitating to challenge, improve and perfect the articles and pose questions. Many nice contributors are around. ;) User:kt2

Oh, one thing. Defend your idea in discussion if your opionion is evidently supported while still being nice and don't call people names. Wikipedia needs objective ideas, not emtionally biased views. - kt2

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Hi there! Whereas I appreciate your simplification into Ancient_Uppsala (had it mind...), I don't quite agree with the complete outline changes you have made. Mind if I get into it again? User:Wilmer T

thanks for finding and adding the commissioners to the Mayors of Washington DC page.

User:Smith03

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see: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Swedish_language

-- Ruhrjung 01:40 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

You're obviously convinced that Karelian properly is to be characterized as a separate language. Then you maybe also could write an article on Meänkieli, which yet noone has dared to?

-- Ruhrjung 10:53 2 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Your input is requested at Talk:U.S. occupation of Iraq. MB 00:29 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Wow. I knew not that many countries recognised Jerusalem, but I never realised it was few. Good work! Now that I have learned my interesting wiki fact for the night, I can go to bed happy!!! :-) FearÉIREANN 03:14 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi! I'm nerula the author of "transgenic plants" article. I saw in the changes that you tried to translate the title into italian. I'm sorry to not have done it by myself (i'm italian) but i'm new to the wiki system :-) I'm writing to know how to adapt better the ttle (Pianta maneggiata genetica) with another grammatically more correct (Piante transgeniche). Thanks!

nerula (11 July 2003)

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Hi. What's the background to your intense editing of Counties of Finland and Provinces of Finland? Have you more authoritative sources than those given at the page, which clearly indicates that Finnish authorities have chosen the translation province where the Swedes have chosen county? Are you intending to follow up your changes, and change other references to "provinces" in Finland, for instance at Län? See for instance: http://www.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Counties_of_Finland - but please note that other references most probably exist without linking.

What's your reason to repeated insertation of a Finnish name on Åland, when they actually have a perfect translitteration, i.e. "the Aaland Islands"? What use can there be for the Finnish name in an English text?

Maybe you think this is none of my business, but I actually think it is. I think the credibility of the Wikipedia project is at stake. Besides: Finland can hardly expect a fair treatment from abroad (see my recent note on Talk:World War II, if suppression of own minorities and autonomous territories is that visible.
-- Ruhrjung 11:50 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Thank you for completing the list of governors-general of India. I don't have correct reference material, and it is a task I am very happy to remove from my list. Lou I 13:40 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Glad to see you added an alternate meaning to the term GTA. Awesome dude! Keep up the good work! -Snickerdo

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I don't care about the example, but do you have some preference for the Middle East over the Sudan? --Tb 02:25 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Hi Efghij.

Any reason for reverting my (historically correct) changes on the Jerusalem article? Israel openly and officially annexed east Jerusalem immediately after the Six-Day War. There was nothing "unofficial" or secret about it. The 1980 "Basic Law" (effectively, an article in the non-official Constitution), merely reinforced this act.

uriber 19:58 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Efghij was correct to revert, IMHO. The changes were not NPOV. FearÉIREANN 21:59 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Info question: Why did the Reorganized LDS change their name? --Tb 02:34 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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The Diocese of Foo is not the same thing as the Bishop of Foo... --Tb 22:32 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I think it's fine so far. Eventually we should have a page for each diocese. Then link to those. If we want a page for each bishop (not sure that's necessary except in exceptional cases), then the diocesan page can link to the bishop. --Tb 23:51 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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I compiled the sex scandel information and took out and edited the sentences not NPOV, I added this to the other paragraphs I made in catholocism. Please read this entire group of paragraphs before making changes. Deletion is obsurd, so don't do it. Just change or add sentences to make them more NPOV. Thank you Nostrum 04:42 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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you're right, I shouldn't have put that sentence in the cocaine article, thanks Nostrum 08:39 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Hi! I did a bit a rewrite on the stuff MB moved from the temp page into Catholicism. (I didn't know anything about the temp page!). I moved the sex abuse text to the bottom of the page, which is the logical place for it as it is current news and the top of the article is historic context, tightened up the language a bit and added in a lot more info that people didn't seem to know about, eg the Vatican's veto of the US bishops' plan for dealing with paedophiles, etc. I think it is stronger and more readable. I am interested to know what you think. FearÉIREANN 02:09 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

NP. lol FearÉIREANN 02:36 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I've done a bit of a rewrite of the opening of the Catholicism page. The opening paragraphs were almost incomprehensible, not to mention monumentally wrong, and some new user came along and made them worse by far. It is hard anyone could do an article on Catholicism and not mention things like Apostolic Succession, the Vatican, etc. It is a bit like doing a history of the USSR and forgetting Stalin. Have a look at the rewrite and see what you think. I think it reads far far better and is far more accurate. FearÉIREANN 00:40 28 Jul 2003 (UTC)

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Hi Efghij,

You reverted some changes made by anon 210.50.53.209 (not me, BTW) to Israel. You did not give any justification for this revert - and I do not see any such justification. The revision created by 210.50.53.209 holds more information, is more correct, and, I think, is more NPOV than the one you reverted to. As an example - the revision you reverted to contained the nonsensical sentence The Modern day nation of Israel, on a much smaller territory than the modern Israeli state...

That is a 100% correct line, not nonsense. Nation and state are not the same. Parts of the Israeli state in includes areas where the inhabitants don't define themselves as part of the Israeli nation. So the 'nation' of Israel covers a smaller geographic area than the state of Israel. It is elementary political science. Efghij's revertion was 100% correct. FearÉIREANN 20:40, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This argument is so weird that I'm not even going to try and answer it. Anyway, Efghij seems to agree with me on this one, since he did remove this particualr sentence in his next edit. uriber 15:52, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Nation and state are indeed different things (a state can have many nations; a nation is hard do define, a state not), but in this case it seems to be nonsensical do use this distintion. So, you're right, this argument is weird in this place.Marco NevesMarco Neves

All issues with the idea of nation-state and the whole confusion with race or folk or people. I agree with Jtdirl and Marco Neves here. It is not however wrong to assert, as some members of the Israeli "left" do, that Israel is already a binational state. Like say Canada, only the Arabs are treated somewhat worse than the Quebecois. But, in history, there were times the Quebecois were treated badly too. EofT

Also, I request that Efghij wade in on list of Islamic terms in Arabic and subsidary articles, which are far from complete. This needs more attention than endless edits to Muhammad (PBUH). I am sure Muhammad would agree - the point of Islam is not to obsess over his biography, but over his ideals. EofT

If you have a problem with any of the individual changed made, I would expect you to fix them individually, and give proper reasoning.

Reverting is just too easy and does not serve the cause of creating better articles. uriber 17:36, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Totally agreed. EofT

Thanks for taking my comments into consideration. Your latest revision, incorporating some of 210.50.53.209's changes seems fair. (Although I still dont see why "Jewish State" should be in qutation marks - I'll remove them). uriber 15:52, 4 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Many citizens of Israel object to that designation - either because they are not Jewish (20% are Arabs), or secular (whole Shinui party for instance), or simply object to the so-called Basic Law, only passed in the 1990s, which put into the constitution the various concessions to religious parties over the years. Shinui came into existence largely to oppose the changes, so, it is controversial to refer to a "Jewish State", although it is indeed known by that name and concept outside Israel, and that was its justification to come into existence in 1948. Personally, I'd prefer to see all this explained in some depth, not hinted at by some quotation marks. EofT

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Efghij:

Sorry for the technical question, but I haven't been able to find an answer in the manuals. Is there any easy way to revert to a previous version of an article or must you cut and paste the previous article over the revised article in the edit box? I notice you've done a speedy job keeping some of the controversial pages relatively NPOV, so I thought you might know a shortcut.

Cheers, SpeakerFTD 21:40, 6 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Go to "Page History", click on the date and time of the last good version (the one you want to revert to), hit "Edit this page", notice the warning that you're editing an outdated version, don't make any changes to the page, and hit Save Page. I'm afraid it's a pain and it's hard to make sure that you're reverting to the right version sometimes, but it is easier than copy & paste (maybe Efghi knows a better way). Have fun! (not too much, though) -- Paullusmagnus 03:47, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I left SpeakerFTD a message on his page. That's the only way to revert a page that I know of. - Efghij 03:51, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Contents

1 Official Languages 2 Callao, Peru to Callao 3 Sysop promotion 4 Article Licensing

Official Languages

Cheers! If you keep specifying Hong Kong and Macau in the list of Official Languages, please specify Açores and Madeira (Portugal) and ALL Spanish regions, among other self-governing parts of many countries. Why is this case special?Marco NevesMarco Neves

Callao, Peru to Callao

Why did you move this page? Especially after I just changed a dozen or so links to it??? -- Viajero 16:49, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Hi, you cast a vote in the TEMP5 debate. The Temp5 proposal was voted down by 61.3% to 38.6%. We seem to be going around in circles on the whole issue of the main page. A new vote is now taking place to clarify what exactly we want, namely

1. Do we actually want to have a new page?
2. If so when (immediately, after a pause, timed to the press release, etc)?
3. What do people want on the front page and what do they want excluded?

As of now, the whole issue seems surrounded by complete confusion. This way, finally and definitively, we will know what we want and when we want it. So do please express your opinions. The vote is on the same page as the previous votes. FearÉIREANN 20:31, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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You really had no right to move User:Nostrum/White board to User talk:172/ban. It is Nostrum's personal space, and no one else should be editing it without his permission. How would you like it if someone moved you user page? Think about it. マイカル (MB) 02:47, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks マイカル (MB) 23:46, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

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Please read my request on User talk:Nostrum/ban. マイカル (MB) 23:46, Aug 15, 2003 (UTC)

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What's going on with Al Aqsa? RickK 05:17, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

See Talk:Al Aqsa. Oddness happening. RickK 05:23, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Re: Tall buildings in London Everyone knows that Big Ben is the bell, not the tower, however the purpose of the brakcets is to indicate the popular name of the building (and not a description), should the reader not be familiar with the proper name, and "Big Ben" is the common name for the whole clock and tower (see the article Big Ben). Ed g2s 14:29, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Why did you delete the province names from the links in the lists of municipalities in Spanish provinces without discussing it with anyone? That represented a lot of work, and I did it because I thought it would be useful in the future. - Montréalais 01:43, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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I can't believe I ate the whole thing! -- Cyan 00:13, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

You are quite welcome. Cyan 01:20, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Simply put, the idea that a person is defined by their sexual object choice is a very modern one. To map that definition back onto a person who existed centuries before that idea did is an anachronism. -- Someone else 02:14, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Why do you insist on misnaming Queens College, New York as Queen's College, New York? RickK 02:54, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

My mistake. Thanks for straightening it up. - Efghij 02:57, 2 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I am not aware of any state support for any religion in Albania. Can you give me the source for adding Albania as an entry to State church? --Dori 17:00, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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I have nominated you for adminship. Pending support from others, you should either accept or decline the nomination at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Efghij. --Jiang 02:44, 14 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Sysop promotion

You're now a sysop. I predict you will now feel the weight of responsibility falling heavily upon your shoulders. But you will also experience an upwelling of strength to carry that burden! --Uncle Ed 23:30, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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Please dont tell me you're complicit in this "historic counties" nonsense as well G-Man 19:03, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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Owain admitted on Talk:Traditional_counties_of_England that Bristol was a county back then, but he agreed that it would be anachronistic to talk of it as an administrative county. What sort of county was it, then? Morwen 08:00, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think using the term 'county borough' for it is anachronistic. It had a lord-lieutenant in its own right, for centuries, unlike the county boroughs created under the 1888 act, so clearly needs to be distinguished from them. Morwen 08:59, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Apparently King Edward thought otherwise http://www.bristolcastle.freewire.co.uk/charter.html . I'm now trying to find the full text at some point. But, um, having existed for 629 years (barring interregnum) seems quite historic or even traditional to me.... I think perhaps a better term for the others might be 'idealized counties'. I won't add it back to the list, though. Morwen 07:24, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Thanks for the work at List of Cathedrals. Rmhermen 13:42, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)

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Hello, I noticed you removed the etymology of Anna with the explanation that it doesn't belong here. Where would you suggest this info be put? Wikitionary? Is there a standard policy on this for people names? Thanks. Samw 05:41, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)