Talk:Vernichtungsgedanken
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- And it is precisely here that we encounter one of the century’s great military myths. For a perfectly adequate recitation of this mistaken vision of the doctrinal revolution wrought by Germany in the Second World War, consult the article about “Blitzkrieg”.
- These German military thinkers, chief among them General Heinz Guderian, did not invent anything called “Blitzkrieg”. They did, however, refine and perfect a concept called “The Armored Idea?”.
Well duh, the article in question does not claim that Guderian did anything of the sort, in fact his name does not appear once in the article. IIRC the term was actually a British invention. The key to the article appears in this statement:
- The key to Blitzkrieg was to organize the troops into mobile forces with excellent communications and command, able to keep the momentum up while the battle unfolded. The basic concept was to concentrate all available forces at a single spot in front of the enemy lines, and then break a hole in it with artillery and infantry, easy enough to do even in World War I. Once the hole was opened, tanks could rush through and strike hundreds of miles to the rear.
Somehow I doubt that the use of tanks was included in vernichtungsgedanken.
- It looks to me like it is obviously a PRECURSOR to Blitzkrieg (which wasn't invented from thin air, obviously). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:24, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Move
The current name is unpronoucable and not understandable in English. Unless it is the common name in the military science English books, I propose to move this article to 'annihilation thoughts doctrine' or at least to 'Vernichtungsgedanken military doctrine' (or something similar). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 09:24, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- This name is more common than the alternatives. 119 05:43, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I strongly disagree with any move, Piotrus. Vernichtungsgedanken (Phonetically: Fehr-neekt-oongs-geh-dahnk-ehn) is pronounceable, it is understandable and recognizable among those who know military theory, and simply there are no alternatives. Several German concepts (like Weltanschuung, and other words and concepts that just don't have equivalent translations) just are more recognizable when left untranslated. And continued study of the theories in politics and military texts offer a whole slew of these words. —ExplorerCDT 06:08, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)