Talk:System of a Down

It seems that everyone links to this article here on wikipedia for the Father Armeni reference. Is this valid? As far as I can google there is not another mention of Father Armeni or his poem anywhere on the internet. Have you guys started an urban(wikipedian) myth? Faraz

A simple google query revealed to me this page: http://www.answers.com/topic/system-of-a-down it mentions Father Armeni. Also, can someone confirm that the band were going to call themself P.L.U.C.K? I read this a long time ago somewhere. Oh and please sign your posts with a timestamp. Opiax 16:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Why is Chop Suey controversial? --Sam Francis

My guess is that it had something to do with the lyrics "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide", which may have been deemed inappropriate particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Someone should confirm this before adding to the article, though. --Iceager 05:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Ah, [1] (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/milner.php) explains it. It is to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks, Toxicity was released the week before and as well as lyrics that must have seemed directly relevant, Serj also made (controversial) comments: [2] (http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/soad/speech.html#wtc). This should be mentioned here, but explained in detail at the Toxicity page, I think, since it was so relevant to the album release. --Sam Francis

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I can't seem to find anything linking 'Chop Suey!' to Lynn Strait of Snot. I was wondering if anyone out there could find any evidence like an interview with Serj. I can't. Admittedly, the lyrics seem to leave open the possibility of it being a tribute to Lynn but I'm skeptical that "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide" has anyting to do with Lynn's death. It seems odd that SOAD would connect Lynn's death in a car accident with any phrase mentioning suicide. -->Chemical Halo 22:37, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)

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Are we sure about [Chop Suey!]'s origin? I thought it was simply a play on the word "suicide," since that was considered too controversial a title for the song.

I think I'll remove that part, since no one replied and it seems made up, to me. MrHate 02:51, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Contents

1 Genre 2 Who linked to Cigaro? 3 MESMERIZE IS FIRST 4 Discussion 5 Mesmerize singles

Genre

I think the debate about SOAD being nu metal/not nu metal in the opening paragraph needs to be reviewed desperately as it makes the article as confusing as the debate itself. Currently the phrase "eclectic metal" is plastered all over the page which needs to be removed. I've never heard of "eclectic" metal and it sounds to me like something someone has made up. Any thoughts on a re-write? MrHate 05:50, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)

Well... thanks for your input :P I've re-written the nu metal argument which is hopefully pretty NPOV. I also moved it out of the opening to the page because it isn't required in a short bio/history of the band. I've also removed the mention that 'System are nu metal because they use downtuned guitars'. I'd removed it previously but was added back. Almost all metal bands use downtuned guitars, nu metal or not, it is a characteristic of metal in general. Adding to that, System don't even really down tune, as most of their songs are in the (almost) standard drop D (DADGBE)... a tuning used by most rock bands as well as metal. If anyone has any comments, please let me know :) MrHate 02:48, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

They use CGCFAD. [[User:Nadavspi|]] 16:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Who linked to Cigaro?

Regardless, I removed it. We don't need to get in any kind of trouble here. Still a good track. -Ghost Freeman 19:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I didn't link to it, but I'm pretty sure that link to Cigaro is an "official leak". That is, I think that site was put up by "official" sources and isn't anything illegal. I don't know this for fact, but I'm pretty sure they released it before they started their Australian tour. MrHate 23:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

And other outlets claim that Cigaro was leaked. Regardless, I think it's in the best interest of all to keep it off the article. People know where to get it. --Ghost Freeman 20:21, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

It is on the news site of the SOAD fansite SOAD Online (http://www.systemofadownonline.com) and I am pretty sure it is an official leak, since it is on some radio stations. --Biohazard 07:35, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

MESMERIZE IS FIRST

I'm getting tired of changing these edits around, So let me put this very plainly... MESMERIZE IS THE NEW SOAD ALBUM ARRIVING IN APRIL. Before changing edits that someone already edited a mere hour earlier, please check your facts. Just in case it's still not clear, here is a snippet from an interview posted on SOAD Online (http://www.systemofadownonline.com):

System are calling Mezmerize/Hypnotize a double album, although unlike Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, for example, the first half (Mezmerize) is due in April, followed by Hypnotize six months later.

"Mezmerize" is going to have plenty of material, and we want people to sit with it before we give them the second one," frontman Serj Tankian said.

I'll also add that Cigaro is not a single (as according to the same site) and while we can expect that BYOB probably will have an accompanying video, it shouldn't be listed in the article just yet as it hasn't been announced (unless it has and I've missed it) MrHate 03:57, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Are you people insane?! I'm getting to the point where I simply cannot keep correcting the incorrect information on this article. for the last time: MESMERIZE IS FIRST AND CIGARO IS NOT A SINGLE. For anyone that needs further convincing, I have a print ad for Mesmerize including the April release date that I would be happy to scan if it means stopping the vandalism. MrHate 22:34, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

It has been called to my attention that some revert warring was going on here, though it seems to have died down at the moment. Please note the existence of the Wikipedia:Three Revert Rule, which I will enforce if necessary (and which applies even if you are right) by blocking editing privileges for anyone who breaks the rule. Thank you for having cited a source, Mr.Hate. Michael and anyone else involved, please cite a source for your edits. Mr.Hate's version appears to be confirmed by several sites that I have spotchecked. Thusly, I have removed "Cigaro" from the list of singles and switched the release dates of Hypnotize and Mezmerize, as well as changed the spelling of the latter (which is incorrectly spelled if one is talking about the word, but that appears to be the spelling of the album for whatever reason). I was unable to confirm the release date of September 27 for Hypnotize. If anyone disagrees with these edits, please cite a source. Revert warring is not allowed on Wikipedia, so if there is a dispute, we will need to discuss it here. If necessary, I'm sure the band's official webpage can be e-mailed, and they will presumably confirm whatever info has been released, and any speculation or rumors can be attributed to those who believe it. I repeat that revert warring is not allowed -- this is not a guideline or suggestion, it is a rule that governs this website and is not negotiable. Tuf-Kat 03:11, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

I have not changed the articles on the albums because they are protected and doing so would violate policy. If no sources are cited soon, however, I will change them appropriately. Please add sources, without commentary, just below here. (looking closer, I've found conflicting info) Tuf-Kat 03:17, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

• Hypnotize's release date
  • Spring: [3] (http://www.systemofadownonline.com/), [4] (http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957)
  • Fall: [5] (http://www.soadonline.net/), [6] (http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166), [7] (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true)
• Mezmerize's release date
  • Spring: [8] (http://www.soadonline.net/), [9] (http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166), [10] (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true)
  • Fall: [11] (http://www.systemofadownonline.com/), [12] (http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957)
• Spelling of Mezmerize
  • Mezmerize: [13] (http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166)
  • Mesmerize: [14] (http://www.soadonline.net/), [15] (http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957), [16] (http://www.systemofadownonline.com/), [17] (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true)
• Single status of Cigaro
  • Yes:
  • No: [18] (http://www.systemofadownonline.com/), [19] (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true) [20] (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496891/20050214/story.jhtml)

Grr, someone's wrong. I'll try emailing the band's website. Tuf-Kat 03:46, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

As I mentioned earlier, a major print advertising campaign from Sony is underway for Mesmerize (citing an April release date). It's in an issue of Kerrang! that I have. Surely that's enough to confirm this confusion? MrHate 22:11, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

Blabbermouth featured a story this morning that confirms a May 17 release date for Mesmerize as well as some song titles. See the article here [21] (http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=33834) MrHate 22:02, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

I still haven't gotten a response to my e-mail, but I find this pretty convincing. Michael, have you found anything very authoritative? I'd like to unprotect the album pages as soon as possible. Tuf-Kat 22:26, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)

Adding another link (from mtv.com) that says Cigaro is *not* a single. So far no one has listed a single source that says Cigaro is in fact a proper single. [[User:Nadavspi|]] 03:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, KROQ (the station in my city) played "Cigaro" once, that's why I've always been restoring it. -- Mike Garcia 03:12, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Please visit the 3rd link, to mtv.com which says "One of those songs, "Cigaro," was recently leaked online and became an instant hit on KROQ-FM in Los Angeles as well as other stations. Another song, "B.Y.O.B.," will actually be the first single." Now, I am in no way saying that mtv is a clear, definite source, but since it is a fairly respectable source, and that article quotes the band, and we don't have any sources that say that Cigaro is a single, I think it's safe to leave it out of the article. [[User:Nadavspi|]] 03:16, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Alright, cool. Thanks for settling this :-) [[User:Nadavspi|]] 03:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Come on now, has anyone in the band actually said that opera is an influence on their vocal style? This sort of sounds like speculation by someone who doesn't know opera... --Bumhoolery 01:29, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Mesmerize singles

Seems to be a lot of singles out for Mesmerize if one were to look at the list in this article! However, BYOB is still the only single. Let me just clarify. Even if a song has been on the radio, it doesn't make it a single. Try to remember that in future :) MrHate 05:56, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

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Aren't they also heavily influenced by Faith No More?