Talk:Palestinian terrorism

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1 NPOV Project 2 Older Discussion 3 My opinion -- keep it, but move out some of the info 4 Votes for Deletion 5 This is not a debate forum! 6 PLO Charter

NPOV Project

PLEASE: edit changes you do not like an announce them here and in the history log!!! Do not revert to an older file unless it is a case of clear vandalism!!!

I am starting a project to make this article conform to the NPOV standards of Wikipedia. this comes at the prompting of people within this talk page and simply the fact that it really obviously need to be done. There are rampant assertions by both sides of the argument and conspicuous editorial statements. On a more contraversial not, I do plan to replace "terrorist" if and alternate term where appropriate. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, we can take out cue on to the truth of that statement from the US revolution, the Algerian Revolution, and numerous others through history. This coencides with a revision of both the Zionist and Israeli Terrorism pages --LouieS 07:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Older Discussion

I wholeheartedly agree with maveric149's suggestion of moving much content to Arab-Israeli conflict, and covering the main themes under terrorism, while deleting this article. Quite apart from the terrorism/freedom fighter debates, we risk having entries on "(enter your enemy here) terrorism", each of which will descend into irreconcilable arguments. User:Mswake.

This strikes me as a not-very-NPOV article title. --Robert Merkel

There has been a good deal of discussion on wikipedia about the use of the word "terrorism" and why we should avoid it. Specifically, one mans terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. I suggest the info in this article be rolled into another, such as Arab-Israeli conflict. After ALOT of work is done to make this info NPOV. This article is going on my watch list.--maveric149

Blowing up a Sbarro's pizza parlor makes one a freedom fighter? Running into a banquet hall and machine-gunning everyone in sight makes one a freedom fighter? Shooting a wheelchair bound Leon Klinghoffer, and then dumping his body overboard, makes one a freedom fighter? It seems to me that the entire world has agreed that such actions never make one a freedom fighter, and always mark one as a terrorist. Except, of course, if one decides to mass-murder Jews. In that case only, the dictionary is rewritten to make such criminal potential "freedom fighters". Are you prepared to defend this line of thinking for everyone, or just for Arab terrorist groups. If it is genuinelly true that there is no legitimate use of the word terrorism, and that no action can be labeled as "terrorist", then all of Wikipedia's entries on Hitler, the Nazis and World War II are huge violations of NPOV, because they don't give equal time and stature to describing why the Nazis may legitimately be viewed as heroic freedom fighters, and because Wikipedia fails to explain why the Jews may well be evil sub-humans that deserve to be exterminated. (This, by the way, is precisely what the PLO, Hamas and the Neo-Nazis are hoping Americans will do.) Let us not forget that many of the current Palestinian terrorist organizations literally use the same anti-Semitic tracts that the Nazis themselves used to incute violence against Jews. Why was it anti-Semitic incitement for the Nazis to do this, but "freedom fighting" when the precise same thing is attempted by people of Arab descent? RK

Because most of the Arab world doesn't seem to regard the various Palestinian groups you refer to as terrorists. --Robert Merkel

Of course murdering Jewish civilians is not considered terrorist by some Arabs...and it wasn't considered terrorist by the Nazis. We still have to admit that the examples given above are terrorism, or admit that the Nazis were not murderers, and may have had a legitimate reason to exterminate the Jews. I find it disturbing the even the example of murdering a wheelchair bound senior citizen, and then dumping his body overboard, is something that you refuse to label as a terrorist activity. Why? Do you really think that it may be defendable as a military action? I doubt that you would feel this way if a member of your family (and a civilian at that!) was blown up by someone in a Sbarro's pizza parlor. Look, I understand that many people defend all of these terrorist incidents, but this only exposes them as anti-Semites. It didn't prove that the criminals attacking civilians were "freedom fighters". RK

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maveric, I agree that information on Palestinian terrorism should be rolled into a wider article on the conflict. Listing these things, without the context of what else is going on in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, is likely to be inherently misleading, IMHO. --Robert Merkel

Hmmm, I wonder what's so NPOV about this, after all the violence committed by various fighters for the "Palestinian cause" is quite unique and distinct. Note that I'm talking here about deliberately killing innocent civilians, which does fall under the definition of terrorism. One could, of course, devise a page about Israeli terrorism, but I don't think it'd be as impressive. --Uriyan

I agree that the terrorism committed by Palestinian groups against Jews and Christians should be put in context. We also have to show how Hamas, Hizbollah, Fatah, Iran, and the PLO are all linked, and all work together. Or are you proposing that we give Fatah an qual opportunity to explain why it is right and just to go into a pizza parlor and mass murder children? Would that satisfy your understanding of NPOV? RK

Well, "Palestinains" fits well enough Fatah, Hamas and PLO. While getting Hizbollah and Iran as well could be nice, but they do a different sort of things (seldom direct attacks on civilians). As far as I'm concerned, I'm all for giving Fatah its opportunity of explaining its profound right to slaughter Israeli civilians - it will look appropriate under this title. --Uriyan

Blowing up a Sbarro's pizza parlor makes one a freedom fighter? Running into a banquet hall and machine-gunning everyone in sight makes one a freedom fighter? Shooting a wheelchair bound Leon Klinghoffer, and then dumping his body overboard, makes one a freedom fighter? It seems to me that the entire world has agreed that such actions never make one a freedom fighter, and always mark one as a terrorist....

On a strictly personal level I wholeheatedly agree that terrorists are those individuals or groups that exist on the fringe of society and use fear and the targeting of civilians to obtain their goals. This is my personal definition of the word terrorist. However, due to the fact that the word terrorist is so often misused, and the fact that a large part of the Muslim world would be hesitant to call the actions of some Palestinian groups terrorist (some even refer to them as the actions of "freedom fighters"), I don't think that it is appropriate to title an article "Palestinian terrorism" and only list all the bad things Palestinians have done to Israeli's and not mention at all what Israeli's have done to Palestinians (which many Palestinians have in turn called "terrorist"). Because of this rather large minority opinion, the use the term "terrorist" in this context is improper. I prefer more neutral and broader terminology, such as "asymetric conflict", and then mention that some people refer to the subset of asymetric conflict that is directed toward civilians as terrorism. It is too one sided and inherently biased to only state one side of the story. The same goes for Israeli terrorism. --maveric149

Are you prepared to defend this line of thinking for everyone, or just for Arab terrorist groups. If it is genuinelly true that there is no legitimate use of the word terrorism, and that no action can be labeled as "terrorist", then all of Wikipedia's entries on Hitler, the Nazis and World War II are huge violations of NPOV, because they don't give equal time and stature to describing why the Nazis may legitimately be viewed as heroic freedom fighters, and because Wikipedia fails to explain why the Jews may well be evil sub-humans that deserve to be exterminated.

Not even a measurably small minority feel that the actions of Hitler were justifiable (even most skinheads and neo-nazis say that the Holocost didn't happen) -- and that is why the ideas of Hitler are not given equal time. Equal time is only given to majority and widely held minority opinions, not crackpot ones. --maveric149

The views held by German, Austrian and Polish citizens during world war II were majority views, and were widely held. At the very least, tens of thousands of people today still agree. Many of their views have been adopted, in toto, by large elements of the Muslim and Arab world today. For example: Indonesia went so far as to ban the movie "Schindler's List" because it did not give equal time to show the viewpoint of the Nazis. Syria and the Palestinian Authority distribute Nazi tractates (such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion), and they simultaneously deny that the Holocaust took place (effectively creating such a violent hatred of Jews that another Holocaust may well be attempted). The former President of Iran publicly states (last month!) that all Jews in Israel should be exterminated with nuclear weapons. And no one in the Arab community disagrees. The list goes on and on. My point is this: The actions of the Germans during World War II should be labeled as evil not because they were simply done by a man who happened to be named "Hitler", but because they were evil actions. Therefore, if other people try to do the same sorts of things, we should recognize this in the same way. Sure, millions of people widely hold that Hamas, Hizbollah and islamic Jihad are not terrorist organizations. They are also rabid anti-Semites. The fact that many of them exist doesn't change the way that such violence should be labeled and described. If that were so, then can you imagine how during World War II the Nazis would have been described by Wikipedia? Mass murder of civilians doesn't become right just because a large percent of people agree with it. RK

Nobody here suggested that mass murder can ever be considered to be right. The killing of innocent people is murder and should be labled as such. However the use of the term terrorist does not have a well defined meaning -- it is an obscure word that is oftentimes thrown around with wild abandon by one group that is trying to demonize another. (see my personal opinion on this above) And notions that the Jewish people (or any people) should be destroyed by nuclear weapons are of course evil and therefore crackpot (see above). If something is obviously evil (by a reasonable person or community standard), then it is not NPOV and should not be given equal time on wikipedia (either now, or in the hypothetical WWII wikipedia). All I am saying, is that we shouldn't be creating artificial definitions to terms that have no real meaning due to widespread misuse. maveric149

Well, terrorism is an existing phenomenon, and while it's often quite vague, it is much more difficult to express via other means. The Palestinians hijacking American aircraft and killing Israeli civilians is obviously terrorism, no matter how you define it. Of course some people might disagree, but then some people do believe that female circumcision is ethical and we don't, do we? --Uriyan

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Why are attacks on soldiers of the Israeli occupying force included in this list? While blowing up US Marines at a bar probably constitutes terrorism, killing soldiers on active duty in an occupying force can't seriously be thus classified. Okay if I remove them? I can add real terrorist attacks to the article to compensate, if anyone is feeling tit for tat.

In general, I agree. In this context, it is more difficult to say. Since 1993 (?), the Palestinian Authority has claimed that it will follow the Oslo peace accords, and will negotiate a political settlement with Israel. While this is going on, if it sends out different branches of its army (such as Fatah) to carry out attacks against soliders who are on patrol, I would call this terrorism. (Fatah is Arafat's personal armed forces; they are not a rogue faction.) If the PA were to publicly state that the peace treaty is null and void, andif they sent uniformed soldiers to attack Israeli soldiers, this would be an act of war, and not terrorism. However, in the past two years, the attacks against soldiers are not acts of war, nor are they isolated incidents; rather, they are part of a broad pattern in which any Israeli Jew is killed. (Of course, Arabs and Druze are killed as well.) The only times that Israeli soldiers die is when it is more convenient. Fatah's latest operation was not against soliders, but against a grandmother in a banquet hall during a Bar Mitvah celebration. (Most of their attacks are against civilians; the same is true for Hamas). I would therefore propose that Fatah should be classified as a terrorist organization, that on occasion kills soldiers. RK

All of the attacks against soldiers (which constitute only about a quarter of the victims) are explicitly marked so. Note that in some of the attacks soldiers died not because they were not targeted explicitly. So better leave as it is, and allow whoever compiles the statistics treat the data as he wishes. And by the way, blowing up 243 American Marines at their base does constitute terrorism. --Uriyan

I feel that certain people have been posting articles in a very pedantic way, staying strictly NPOV in foramt, but tilting the perspective by the data they represent. I wish to follow up this, and insist that the killings of soldiers on active duty in this article be moved to a separate article, "Attacks on Israel" or the equivalent. I'll do the work myself, but I'm open to counter arguments first. -- GayCommunist

First of all, GC, "certain slimy individuals" are responsible for what they do and what they write. Secondly, only about 20 out of the 180 victims were deliberately attacked because they were soldiers. Thirdly, it is difficult to say about most of the attacks whether soldiers were targeted (for example, is shooting a soldier protecting civilian population terrorism by your classification or not?). Also note that work has been moved to Terrorism against Israel. You may add disclaimers, though, that "some people believe that attacks against soldiers are not to be considered terrorism". Of course a database would be better but that's one thing Wikipedia can't do yet. --Uriyan

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Let's not get sidetracked into a discussion of which attacks were "terrorist". It's not possible to resolve such an issue, because "terrorism" does not have an undisputable meaning. For supporters of a cause, attacks are seen as battle in a (just) war -- while opponents of that cause call it murder.

It's just like the use of the word "cult" which means "spurious religion" -- it depends on who considers it spurious. To many people, my church is a cult -- perhaps even the primary example of one. To me, it's just a normal church or maybe even "the" church. -- Ed Poor

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In spite of powerful retaliatory acts on behalf of Israel (which included, up until 1953, the deliberate targeting of civilians), the infiltrations never stopped.

What does this sentence mean? Who was working on Israel behalf? Who was targeting civilian?

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WHY THIS ARTICLE IS NOT MARKED AS A NOT BEING NPOV OR BEING DISPUTED, while it is stated in the Isreali Terrorism article?. I think the whole issue of terrorism is raised here due to the fact that no clear definition of the word terrorism exists. For me, a terrorist is any person who is ready to use any mean to acheive his political goals on the account of civilians. A definition that most certainly applys to Israel since its creation and before.(If not saying that the creation of isreal is itself an act of terror). This article is not neatural in anyway, if kept it should have a root change. May05 08:52, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

My opinion -- keep it, but move out some of the info

I think we need to have an article on this topic. The issue is too much in the news to completely ignore it. However, I do agree that the article should discuss the issue of Palestinian terrorism in an abstract, neutral way, not make specific claims on what is and is not actually terrorism. For example, it could discuss the fact that what most of the world (US, EU, etc.) sees as terrorism on occasion derails peace summits, and is in Israel's view the single most pressing problem in the mideast situation. And so on. But specific lists of violence should be moved elsewhere so we're not stuck saying what is and is not terrorism.

FWIW, I think the same of Israeli terrorism--it should be similarly gutted. --Delirium 08:06, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

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Votes for Deletion

- In addition to a highly POV title, this article duplicates Violence against Israelis and should be merged there. -- Viajero 11:27, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

• • Merge and redirect -- Graham :) 11:44, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep...maintain separate articles for acts of terrorism vs other acts of violence. We do not have, nor can we maintain a useful compilation of acts of violence. There are often more than a dozen acts of violence each day. We have demonstrated the willingness and ability to maintain a list of terrorist acts. Violence against Israelis is limited to acts of terrorism committed after 1999. Palestinian terrorism includes acts dating to 1920. The article should be expanded to include Palestinian on Palestinian terrorism. OneVoice 22:18, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • I cannot accept such a title. Move to a new title or merge with another article or do whatever you want, but remove the word Terrorist from the title. Optim 20:24, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - title is appropriate - These groups claim credit for killing civilians, the very definition of terrorism - Texture 20:33, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Another disturbing attempt, under false pretense of NPOV, to whitewash and justify terrorism and push propagandist agenda. Recently Terrorism against Israelis has been renamed into mere Violence against Israelis and now this important article is VfD. This is encyclopedia, so let's stick with plain documented facts, however grim and uncomfortable they are. Humus sapiens 22:14, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. I wonder if the supporters of this page can identify anything at all on it which is not already on Terrorism against Israelis in greater detail. I don't see a single example, except for two statements ("al-Qassem was hanged" and "al-Husayni was deported") which are both false. The article should have been made into a redirect without bothering with VfD listing. --Zero 01:36, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Reading the two pages, one sees that Palestinian terrorism goes back to 1920 and is a very general page with little detail, Terrorism against Israelis begins in 2000 and provided a detailed listing of incidents. OneVoice 02:38, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • You must be looking at the wrong article. Terrorism against Israelis starts in the 1880s and 1920s. --Zero 10:02, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Indeed, "you are lost in a maze of twisty little redirects all appearing the same" OneVoice 14:50, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • As the article stands now, redirect to Violence against Israelis or else create an article that really highlights other acts of terror, such as Black September in Jordan. Danny 02:42, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • Danny, could you help by adding other acts of Terrorism against Israelis? OneVoice 14:52, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, and NPOV as necessary. Palestinian terrorism is a phenomenon that's in the news nearly constantly, and I don't think Wikipedia can have no article at all on the subject. There's a number of encyclopedic aspects, including both internal Palestinian aspects and external aspects relating to Israel and the US and other countries' involvement. Furthermore, why is it that this article is requested for deletion, while the much more questionable Israeli terrorism is not mentioned? --Delirium 08:02, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)
    • If you read the comments above, you would know that there is already an article covering the same topics in greater depth, so what you mean by "no article at all" is a mystery. As for Israeli terrorism, it is in bad need of a name change. --Zero 10:08, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
    • What would you suggest? OneVoice 14:50, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. No need for an article other than Terrorism against Israel. It should be clear that the palestinian fight against occupation, only took violent path in the late years(i.e 2000 and later), after suffering for decads from the israeli terrorism, since the begining of occupation in 1948 till this moment.
    • Perhaps you need to read some of the pages that detail Palestinian terrorism before 2000, the Al-Aqsa Intifada....some people claim that a war of terror started around 1994 and call it the "Oslo War". Palestinian terrorism goes back to 1880 per Zero0000's comment above. OneVoice 19:52, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep with current title. The systematic usage of terrorism by various Palestinian groups across decades makes this a worthy subject for an article. Also, please note that the article Terrorism against Israel (which several people suggested to redirect to) no longer exists, except as a redirect to Violence against Israelis - an article, which should, by its title, cover acts such as criminally-motivated murder and rape where the victim happens to be Israeli, as well as military attacks on Israel by its neighbors. Unless, of course, that article is intended only for Politically-motivated violence against Israeli civillians, in which case I would suggest renaming it to the more appropriate title Terrorism against Israel (and then I might reconsider my position on this article). -- uriber 22:53, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Palestinian terrorism is a phenomenon that's in the news nearly constantly, and I don't think Wikipedia can have no article at all on the subject.

Are you watching the Mars News Channel??? What about the dozens of palestinians killed everyday?? If this is not covered in western madia, then this is another moral problem! The blood of thounds of palastinian innocents is on the edge. You have no right to manipulate the truth. I am from a village that suffered a horrible massacre when jewish gangs came to my land south of lebanon in 1948, and I know clearly who started the terror shit. STOP THIS FILTHY PROPAGANDA.

Sorry for my aggrissiveness but zionists planted hatered in my heart :( May05 18:24, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

"Dozens killed everyday" ??? can you support that statement? Which village? South of Lebanon? In the Galilee? OneVoice 18:53, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Voice... it needs no proof, very simple, here is what to do:

If you are in front of a TV hold the remote, turn off the TV, get your ass off and go down the streets of Gaza and West bank!!! GOT IT?! May05 11:34, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well, and my grandfather's from a Greek village that was wiped out by Turks, but that doesn't mean I'm going to delete all Turkish pages and start a bunch of Massacres committed by Turkey and so on and insist anything that portrays Turks as the victims in any situation is propaganda. --Delirium 21:29, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

I'd actually support a merger of sorts, Arab-Israeli terrorism, that discusses the history of terrorism and alleged on both sides in the conflict. But, I think all these articles should stay as redirects at the very least, and their contents should be merged. If someone types Palestinian terrorism into the search box, they should get something. --Delirium 21:31, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

Delirium, kindly note the following:

• I did not say that I would delete pages about Israel nor I ever did before. ( Actually I can't).
• YES -if you are not- I am certainly willing to write an article about massacres committed by israel because they actually happened and i'm doing no harm by writing it and I vowed to remember the innocents, the article would -and should- be factual, giving knowledge about historic events.
• I did not say that I refuse any situation that victimize the israelis, you got it wrong. Even more, I think that the jews are victimized the moment they were nourished with myths like "a land without people for people without land!!". I even did not say that Israelis are not victims of suicide bombers. What I said and beileve in is that the mere creation of Israel is terrorism in itself and the suffering it brought to palestinians was the spark of violence and humilation for millions. Thus, the palestinians can't be blamed alone and one CAN'T refuse that the palestinians are victims. What would your response be if an article is titled the "Greeks Terrorism against Turks"??!!
• Please note the distinction between the Greek-Turky issue and the Arab-Israeli issue. They are almost uncomparable.
• Finally, I would agree with your merge suggestion, especially that it could contain the edit war to one article :) Redirection could be the magic solution.

Regards, May05 11:34, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

FWIW, I disagree that the Greece-Turkey issue is incomparable with the Arab-Israeli issue. In both, there are a group of people with a national identity who were displaced and forced to integrate into another country. The difference is that the Pontian Greeks have since been assimilated into Greece, while the Palestinian Arabs stay in refugee camps. Perhaps the main difference is that the Pontians have given up hope of getting back Constantinople, while the Palestinians still hope to get back Jerusalem, but the aspirations for both are similar. --Delirium 11:47, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps the main difference is that the other Greeks did not confine their refugees to camps for generations. OneVoice 17:26, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)

A merger seems good. Although I do think the word "terrorism" ought to be avoided. (There will always be quite numerous groups who will claim than any definition of "terrorism" or content under "terrorism"is not a NPOV.) Falcone 04:27, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I can agree with that. We could have a page on Palestinian militants or something that discusses all militant activity, and mention that some of it is considered terrorism by many (e.g., suicide bombings in shopping malls), some of it is considered not-terrorism by many (e.g., shooting at military checkpoints), and there's lots of disagreement in between. It avoids us having to decide what to put on the "terrorism" page and what to leave off as "not terrorism". --Delirium 04:29, Feb 26, 2004 (UTC)

This is not a debate forum!

Why does an ENCYCLOPEDIA (which is what Wikipedia is supposed to be, in case you forgot) need an article about Violence against Israelis, an article about Palestinian terrorism, and an article about Israeli terrorism? Encyclopedia articles should not depend on other articles to balance out bias. If a person were to read the Violence against Israelis article and no other article, they would be presented with a one sided argument. Violence against Israelis, Palestinian terrorism, and Israeli terrorism should be part of the Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict article. --NoPetrol 21:03, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

   I wholeheartedly agree. Perhaps if we want an article separate from the broader text on the Israeli
   Palesntinian conflict, an article dealing with the violence on both sides would be appropriate. 
   However, in the case that this doesn't happen, i should like to point out several problems with the 
   current consturction of the article. First, while the article on Israeli state terrorism gives the 
   numbers of Israelis killed by Palestinian extremists, there is no such information in this article.
   Now, while i hate to risk portraying one death as legitimating another, i think it is also 
   appropriate to put actions in their proper context. Furthermore, unless i missed it, no one has
   mentioned the State Department definition of terrorism "Politically motivated acts of violence 
   against civilian or non-combatant military targets." I think this is fair, as, for example it   
   allows both incidents such as the Beersheba bus bombings and the massacre at Qibya to be included.
   I reiterate that i hope we can move part this obscenely partican debate and create a useful and
   educational ecyclopedia. --Zinnling 4:57, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PLO Charter

I removed the discussion, reverting to Jayjg's first March 24 edit because it was (a) not really relevant to the section and (b) wrong. Whatever one thinks of how well the PLO followed its own amendment procedures, Israel, during Netanyahu's Likud government formally accepted the PLO's actions at the meeting in Gaza in December 1998 as revocation of the charter (see [1] (http://www.israel.org/MFA/Peace+Process/Guide+to+the+Peace+Process/The+Palestinian+National+Charter.htm) [2] (http://www.pna.gov.ps/Government/gov/plo_Charter.asp) for background), and Israel and the Likud have not changed their position on it or complained that the charter was not revoked since then - it has disappeared from statements like "Major Palestinian Violations of Agreements: October 2000" [3] (http://www.israel.org/MFA/Peace%20Process/Guide%20to%20the%20Peace%20Process/Major%20Palestinian%20Violations%20of%20Agreements-%20Octobe) where it earlier had been. (As noted, the issue of revocation and its acceptance had gone back and forth several times during the 90's). For clear and unequivocal official Israeli and Likud statements from Netanyahu, Sharon, Sharansky and Mordechai etc at the time, see: [4] (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1999/2/Wye%20River%20Memorandum-%20Status%20of%20Implementation%20Feb) (Long, scroll to PLO Charter section) [5] (http://www.israel.org/MFA/Peace%20Process/Guide%20to%20the%20Peace%20Process/Israeli%20Reactions%20to%20the%20PNC%20Vote%20in%20Gaza) [6] (http://www.israel.org/MFA/MFAArchive/1990_1999/1998/12/Press%20Conf%20PM%20Netanyahu%20and%20FM%20Sharon%20-%20Erez-%20Dec) [7] (http://www.likud.nl/govern36.html). Will put this info in its proper page eventually if no one else does.--John Z 23:57, 21 May 2005 (UTC)