Talk:Norman Lamm
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Rabbi Lamm
This is better than the copyvio page that was here before. I'm concerned, however, by the repeated use to words like "greatest", "gifted", "eloquent" and what not. All have the smell of POV to them. This article is not supposed to convince the reader of Rabbi Lamm's greatness; a reasonable reader can make inference without having to be bombarded with commendations as to Reb Norman's oratorial skill. I have left most of these words in place for now.
Another concern is the link to the article on the controversy between Rabbi Lamm and Rabbi Elya Svei. Is this pertinent to the article? Is it a chillul hashem? JFW | T@lk 13:56, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
- Jfd:Rabbi Lamm is considered to be "great" by the Modern Orthodox world. He is a "gifted" speaker and fundraiser. How else to understand his prominence and importance in that domain? It would make no sense to say that "no-one" considers him great, or that he is "not" a good fundraiser or speaker as that would be neither true nor accurate. If someone wants to, they can insert how Dr. Lamm is viewed by other groups. As for the dispute with Rabbi Svei, the article shows how the "YU crowd" reacted to it, it's open information and no secret, after all Rabbi Svei made that announcement (against Rabbi Lamm) in public in front of hundreds of people with the media nearby, (in fact I put it in as an extrenal link rather than going into the entire issue in the body of the article, but it is actually mentioned on Wikipedia (I had nothing to do with the "hate speech" Wiki article, in fact one day I hope to put in a good response on behalf of the Torah world (Bli Neder), see it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Orthodox_Judaism/hatespeech_towards_other_Jews#Ultra-Orthodox_views_of_Modern_Orthodox_Jews ), and since when is Wikipedia concerned about Chilul H-shem? If that's the case you can delete 90% of the stuff on Judaism from Wikipedia as it's full of anti-Torah views where-ever you look. It's a tough neighborhood, that I will tell you. IZAK 04:42, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
It would make no sense to say that "no-one" considers him great - IZAK, I wasn't saying this at all. But: this is an encyclopedia article, not aimed at lauding Rabbi Lamm, who is effectively leading Modern Orthodoxy and has written and spoken about very important issues facing Judaism nowadays.
The article on Rabbi Lamm will stand without promotional terms as to his oratorial skills; this is a matter of personal preference and therefore POV.
I was making the chillul Hashem comment more tongue-in-cheek than in any other form. But: the purpose of this link might be worthy of reexamination.
The link doesn't work, by the way. The "hatespeech" page has moved to Relationship between segments of Judaism, which is a much more NPOV title anywayz. JFW | T@lk 08:21, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
POV
This article is crammed with the most outragous POV. I'm only removing the obvious poiints that clearly defy the guidelines.jucifer 18:33, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Image
Removing unverifiedimage see: [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Lamm-portrait-.jpg&diff=0&oldid=13772848). IZAK 06:13, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
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