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Returning to pre-Lumos version, which was clearer and more representative of actual New Age beliefs (as opposed to CSICOP). 19 March 2005
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New Age/Revised Article - Deletion
- Hi there! Could someone inform me please what the deal is with New Age/Revised? Is that rewrite still valid? Or already incorporated? Or rejected for some reason? In the latter case, VfD'ing may be appropriate. Yours, Radiant_* 13:22, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
- This article is a fork from the New Age article and was created after a major rewrite was attempted by an anonymous user which removed lot of existing good work. As I recall the rewrite itself had a lot of useful things in it and the "Revised version" was creatred as a place to keep them visible while they were incorporated into the main article. I believe this is now complete and the "Revised" fork should now be deleted. Lumos3 21:37, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I have begun marking New Age/Revised for deletion. If anyone disagrees please comment here or on that article's discussion page. Lumos3 14:40, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- The "fork" was a good idea, to avoid edit wars as well as to allow the anonymous user to have a visible sandbox. It may have served its purpose by now. The main article is OK<i> ;-) I still need to get some NPOV New Age spin going for NA use of crystals. I use them but this would be a POV article, then. BF 22:31, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merger with New Though Movement
The New Thought Movement describes some movements that originated in the USA in the late 19th century. Some of which may now be described by some people as new age and others not. The New Age is the name of a late 20th century movement. There is no question they should be merged in my mind. Lumos3 21:36, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Crystals
There is a link to Crystals - but that leads to a mainstream physics/chemistry type article. It isn't really clear what the New Age connection to crystals is. Maybe someone could add a page for this?
I'll try to help out on this request. I removed the wiki link on crystals. BF 22:49, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comments - snake bites its tail
I have a problem with the introduction, once again. Over the life of this article everyone who showed an interest always changed the introduction! And the reason they did was, everyone writes differently. When we introduce a topic of length, the author(s)' style starts to smooth out everything for readability. I haven't said anything, really, since it seems petty to complain about "how" the article reads.
However, unless I am misreading, as the intro is now it shows a subtle shift that I don't like.
- The movement is most visible where its ideas are traded, in specialist bookshops, music stores and fairs.
There is no movement, period. It was once upon a time... as I wrote 3 years ago: <i>the New Age silently, without any fanfare, changed western culture... one would think it had become the mainstream!(paraphrased). Generally, yes! Exchanging ideas(which is a better way to state the point than 'ideas are traded') is one way to make the individual visible to someone else.
- Typical activities of this subculture include participation in study or meditation groups, attendance at lectures and fairs; the purchase of books, music, and other products such as crystals or incense; patronage of fortune-tellers, healers and spiritual counselors.
These activities are not just New Age identifiers. Millions of people engage in them and the second half of the sentence after the semicolon is a misleading nonsequitur, and also grammatically incorrect. Teenagers buy music and incense, and other different age brackets do too. Does this imply there could be a teen subculture too? And if so, are some teens picking up the already-in-place New Age lifestyle from their parents? Healers and spiritual counselors are not specifically New Age derivative. They might appear to be, by those who live in a vault.
I have not decided if I want to clean the junk out of this article yet. It's tantalizing, but for now I watch it grow in size, and see the snake biting its own tail. BF 23:12, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
A few comments
I'm the "anonymous user" who did that forked version. Yeah, feel free to delete it.
I cleaned up some stuff today, mainly by moving things around. The biggest problem with the way it was before was, it wasn't clear. (Who what when where why?) And then there was a lot of overlap / duplication. Still is, actually--maybe somebody else wants to have a go.
On the lifestyle stuff (books, crystals, fairs, etc.) I think this is very important. What do New Agers do? How do we know that they exist? Even if other people do many of the same things, it's still good to let people know that we're not (necessarily) talking about, for instance, a bunch of people who go to church on Sunday, or bite the heads off of chickens under the full moon, etc..
"Movement" needn't imply that they all agree with each other or anything. For instance, we habitually speak of the "anti-war movement" or the "civil rights movement". The fact that outsiders see them as part of one broad group is enough to qualify, no?
Deleted the fork
I've deleted the fork under New age/revised. If anybody has any objections, drop in at my talk page. -- Sundar (talk · contributions) 09:48, May 9, 2005 (UTC)