Talk:Nena

I don't understand why the name/word Nena must initially reference to the singer and can't just itself by a page that links to all likely references. For example, NENA stands for two organizations that are in the United States and Canada. I would not be so insistent had I not seen that location names such as Regina functions itself as a page that links to many other sites.

What makes it different in the case of Nena Kerner being automatically referenced to as Nena reference immediately to her? Did she save the world?? Does see have an organization founded to help people?? I don't believe that a name such as Nena should be referenced solely to a singer at first link and not itself function as a link to many pages. To live it this way would be a disgrace to the organizations and other individuals that also possess this name. My words of Martin Luther King Jr. ring out "I believe all (wo)men are created equal)". Daniel

At first NENA and Nena are two different articles, thus the two organizations can go there easily. The reason why this article is not at Nena Kerner is simply that her stage name (and thus the name she is prominent with) is Nena, only very few ever heard about her last name. andy 18:37, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Let us not forget as the page itself says Nena Kerner was not even her original name. Indeed, there are more than one person known as Nena it must immediately link to Nena? Going to back to the name Regina, there is essentially only one, the one in Regina, Saskatchewan however, it itself functions as a linking page which would also be exactly what this one would function as. Perhaps referring to her name as Nena and Nena Kerner within her description on the page would be the best option. Any conflicts in this logic, and why? Daniel

Nena Kerner is not her name for sure, either Nena or Susanne Kerner. But as she is famous with her stage name, we should use that one. So either the article should be at Nena or Nena (singer). The decision whether Nena should be the page about her, or if Nena should be a disambiguation page is more difficult to decide. It simply depends on whether the other possible meanings of Nena are similar well known, or are obscure ones only known to few. At least here in Germany Nena almost always refers to the singer, thus the original Nena (disambiguation) was the better way to do it. The fact that 100% of the links to Nena mean the singer can be hint of the importance. Nevertheless - a list of famous people with first name Nena don't belong there for sure, Regina also don't list those who had Regina at their first name. andy 19:24, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Now I think I know where you are coming from. Since this is the English version of wikipedia, it would seem only fair that the word Nena function as ambiguation page to all possible individuals/organizations that Nena would refers and since she is so well known in Germany would also be referred to as Nena (Nena Kerner) on this page. You may be right about the [[Nena (Singer)] part but I did some research before I did the rename for example, look her up in Music Mozilla (http://musicmoz.org/Bands_and_Artists/N/Nena/Members/Kerner,_Nena/) and much of what's mentioned in the article is also found under Nena's biography as well. In essence my change was informed, just not done in proper protocol.

As for the German version of wikipedia of the name Nena (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nena), it would be perfectly acceptable that Nena would simply refer only to her since the other possible meanings of Nena on this page, that I added, refer only to English individuals and organizations. I also want formally apologize for not simply moving the page (I didn't see that as an option at the time) as opposed to the cut and paste that I did, I am relatively new to the system and ask for forgiveness from those whom I may have offended in the process. Daniel.

Of course I am biased as Nena was (is) much more famous here. However again - are any of the other meanings similar well-known as the singer? Aren't they abbreviated NENA? Or did she use Nena Kerner as stage name outside Germany (I doubt it)? As all links to Nena refer to the singer we don"t need to hurry to move the article - maybe someone else might want to comment first. At least if we move it we need to move it with the "Move this page", and change all links linking here (including the interwiki one from the german wikipedia). andy 20:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Okay, we'll wait for more input, but my last comment here would be with more of a global English prospective, as this is the English version, which could also be noted by the several English people that I had added to the entry with the name Nena. As your singer is popular in your country (Germany), so are the individuals (which I noticed you had deleted when reverting to the other format) and organizations I added are popular in their own country (Australia, Canada, USA) which reflect the global prospective that I believe is the mandate of wikipedia. Daniel.

Nena was famous outside Germany as well - it even had an english version of 99 red balloons. I don't think those organizations are same well-known, but I just think, don't know it for sure. And we should not see it US-centric either. However those I deleted were people who have "Nena" as their first name, those really don't belong here, same as we don't need a list of people with first name "Joe" either. Don't forget, Nena is the full stage name of the singer. andy 21:00, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Nena is the stage name for a German pop singer from the 80s. Acronyms belong at NENA. There is no need to turn this into a disambiguation page. Maximus Rex 03:43, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The issue still stands, there is more than just the Nena than you know of, just like there is more than one Regina. It should be disambigation page that is FAIRLY representative, and in it's current form it is biased and representative only of Germany. Notice if I look up the word Nena NeNa, nena in [Google (http://www.google.com)] it outputs the same results anytime which, contrary to how you may feel about the issue, is how a lot of users think not everyone is "techie" and nor should they be.

In addition, if Nena is as popular as you believe her to be, why is she given precedence when she doesn't even have an English version of her website which the sites I added do, and Nena was neither her original name. Other popular individuals named Nena (including an artist) were added by me, and deleted by you which further proves the existing bias. Leave the name as is and wikipedia is also biased not free (as in free speech, and fair representation) which makes it no more unique than any encyclopedia in existence today. As I said before all people are created equal, and as such should be represented equal. If people come find out about Nena they will click the link to her right away. You are just scared of fair representation for who knows what reason. Just because you feel she is more famous and uses Nena as her stage name that she has earned the right, which may be true for the German but isn't for the English. I will leave the discussion because further argument will only prove how much deeper your bias goes and you may leave it this way anyway, so the bias also goes to wikipedia. Sad I thought wikipedia was better then that, I guess I was wrong.Daniel

Again, those organizations you want at Nena are all abbreviated NENA, not Nena - and 50% of the first 10 google hits are about the artist as well. Other example: Nasa vs. NASA - the first one does not exist, and if it were an artist known only in Germany the same disambiguation headerline would be enough as well. Finally the only reason why the city Regina is at Regina, Saskatchewan instead of Regina is simply that in US/Canada cities are usually cited with the state - which makes Regina the obvious choice for the disambiguation. Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with the article about the singer being located at Nena (Singer), I just don't think it is necessary. andy 16:33, 11 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Let me see if I get this straight, wikipedia is representative of Germany only? Too bad the title of the site doesn't say that, pretty confusing. Another page that bears testimony to this page being a disambiguation page is that of Python which gives equal weighting to the movie, the programming language, and the character. As such, this text is meant to lead to the same conclusion, meaning that even people with the last name Nena should be given consideration. I don't think there is much more that can be said on the side of fair representation then this. Or as the introduction to Wikipedia states "Avoid bias. Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, which means that articles should represent differing views on a subject fairly and sympathetically." Which this page fails to honour in it's current form. Daniel.

I get tired of wasting my time in this discussion, it's really not worth because you seem to be determined to turn this into a disambiguation no matter what. I still haven't seen any meaning of the word "Nena" which would valid a disambiguation at all, the organizations abbreviated NENA don't count as NENA is not the same as Nena. Is there a programming language called Nena? A movie character in any well-known movie? But wait, it has a "Nena creek" somewhere in Oregon. But even that would go to Nena Creek, and does not valid a disambiguation at this space. And all this has nothing to do with german bias or not. Why don't you first write articles about the NENA organizations if you consider them so much important to be listed in this disambiguation? Writing contents should be priority here, not discuss endlessly about minor naming things. If you want to here more community words about this, try to post this question in the Village Pump. Or ask for a poll on how this page should be named. Or move it and wait till someone else catches the bait and starts a move-and-edit war with you. andy 21:33, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)