Talk:Moldova
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An event mentioned in this article is an August 27 selected anniversary.
Moldovan Language ? There is no such thing as it's identically Romanian language, not even a difference.
Until 1940, when the Russians occupied it because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact here was spoken Romanian. There's no way to change the language of 4 millions people in 60 years.
The differences between English and "American" are much greater than between Romanian and "Moldovan".
Last time I read a book in Moldovan language, I noticed it wasn't written in Romanian only after I checked the publishing house that was located in Moldova. :-)
HI! The above statements are certainly true! Bessarabia, now known as the "Republic of Moldova" actually represents almost half of the real Moldova. Moldova, Transylvania and Wallachia are the 3 ancestral Romanian provinces, which form the state of Romania. "Bessarabia" is the eastern half of the historical province of Moldova: Romanian land. Along the course of a cruel history, Russia has managed to snatch several times the eastern half of Moldova ("Bessarabia") from Romania, transforming it into the Soviet Socialist Republic of Moldova, which has been in fact populated by Romanians, for the last 2000 years!!! My point is there is no "Moldovan" language, as there is no "TRansylvanian" or "Wallachian" language: there is only Romanian. The republic of Moldova carries the Romanian National Flag colours: Red, Yellow and Blue, and its population speaks Romanian, because they are Romanian :-) Have a nice day
Quote from history section:
- "Moldova has suffered from several invasions, including the Kievan Rus and the Mongols. "
The Kievan Rus had it's border on the Nistru/Dnister (that's the reason why Transnistria was colonized with Russians, to defend the western Russian border), so Moldova wasn't actually invaded by the Kievan Rus. Bogdan 08:34, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Can anyone help me with this? This article gives 9 subdivisions, but in the last few years the government has split the country into 32 Rayons again - the map and info is out of date - anyone care to help? Thanks ! The Trolls of Navarone 16:14, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- It seems that the Moldovan government's sites are often self-contradictory. :) Anyway, I found that they switched from the Romanian-style of "judete" to Russian-style of "raioane" in February 2003. [1] (http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2003/08/560_mo.pdf)
- I did a google search, but I couldn't find a map with the new 32 "raioane", but only an older map with 40 "raioane" [2] (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/moldova/md02_07b.pdf). Bogdan | Talk 19:35, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)~
- Hmm. The 40 one is the old Soviet, I think, the govt changed to 12 on independence, and then changed again a couple of years back to 32. I have a new paper copy, but it may not be frequent on the internet. Let's have a search... ;) The Trolls of Navarone 06:57, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Acording to moldova.md (http://e-gov.moldova.md/moldova(test).nsf/BDEDFCA988B2DB3C85256207004F45A9/E166C8A4AA427628C2256D89002BE097), and to the constitution (http://e-gov.moldova.md/moldova(test).nsf/bdedfca988b2db3c85256207004f45a9/f3b543db74961f57c2256c2b003a851e?OpenDocument) the official site of the republic, the solo official language is moldovan language (romanian), and the russian's language use is granted. You can say something about that in =Demographics=. --Danutz
- I'm pretty sure that, while not an official language in the whole country, in the Semi-autonomous regions Russian and Gagauz are official languages - it will probably be in some presidential decree or act of parliament, or perhaps in an act passed by the semi autonomous region, which might explain why it is not on the main MD page. I see your point, but how do you suggest that we convey that Russian is officially used by a significant minority of govt officials, not to mention people? The Trolls of Navarone 15:49, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- How about stating that Russian and G are officially used in some parts? The Trolls of Navarone 15:52, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- So, I'll write this, after the template of Italy:
Moldovan (Romanian)
(+ Russian in Transnistria and Gagauzia, Ukrainian in Transnistria and Gagauz in Gagauzia)
--Danutz
I used the <br> tab just for everybody to see clearly that romanian is no local official language, just that it is the same as Moldovan.
Shouldnt this page be merged with Moldavia ? --Piotrus 14:10, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
No. Moldova is the former MSSR, now an independent country; Moldavia is the adjacent Romanian province. Both names go back to the same historic name for the region. -- Jmabel 15:44, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
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Landlocked
"Landlocked"---at the present moment, because those who drew borders made sure to landlock it. Decius 09:20, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- True enough. Do you think that should somehow go in the article, or are you just remarking? -- Jmabel | Talk 03:10, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
I'm going to read through the article real quick, to see if there is any discussion on how the borders of the Republic were fixed and drawn---if the details of the border-fixing are not discussed yet, I think they should be, but I don't have the references. Decius 05:07, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I sped through it, and I didn't see any discussion on how the modern border was drawn. Decius 05:10, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Deportation
"Under Stalin, ethnic Russians were brought into the new country, especially into urbanized areas, while many ethnic Romanians were deported to Siberia and Kazakhstan."
The first is true, but I am not sure where the second is coming from. Surely, many Romanian soldiers were deported, but during my 5 years in Moldova I have not heard of any significant deportations of the population. (User:Gaidash 8 May 2005)
- I didn't write the passage; it's not cited; and I don't know for sure, but… I have heard that there are a good number of Romanian speakers remarkably far east in Russia and formerly Soviet Central Asia, and this seems to me like the most likely explanation. But does someone have something solid on this either way? -- Jmabel | Talk 03:30, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
- There were several waves of deportations, especially during WWII, but also afterwards. See: Involuntary settlements in the Soviet Union 07:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC) (unsigned, apparently User:Bogdangiusca)
GDP
Could someone come up with good, cited statistics on GDP? Especially because for a country in this region there are really two important numbers, GDP by exchange rate and GDP by purchasing parity, and they will differ by at least a factor of four. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:46, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Population
Similarly, a recent anonymous edit completely changed the statistics on population makeup, also without citation. Can we please have some cited numbers? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:21, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
- They were taken from the census results (http://www.statistica.md/recensamint/Rezultatele_prel_recens_ro.zip). bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 06:34, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
- I can access it, although it seems that their server is pretty slow. bogdan ʤjuʃkə | Talk 08:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)