Talk:Kuala Lumpur
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I do not think the tourist section should be written like a sales brochure, as this one is.
David (March 14 2005)
I do not think the tourist attractions that are not located in KL should be written as such. It would be better to shift these to Malaysia - Tourism.
jasontn (Mar 20, 2004)
The following excerpt by a native KL-ite (apparently) reads more like a disillusioned traveller's rant, and has been moved here from the main article (Sewing 16:40, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)):
- ...the public transport system is woefully inadequate (try riding on a KL bus and feel the pain, plus they have no sense of the term, TIMETABLE), taxis are some of the rudest in the world ("Cannot lah, traffic jam.") and the water infrastructure, once the best in South East Asia, is old, leaky and in a sorry state generally, with water which used to be drinkable from the tap now brown and sludgy, the cause of many an irate citizen having to install expensive water filters.
- Well, while obviously the wrong tone to take, it is somewhat accurate :). I'm not sure how you could edit out the hostile tone, though. Perhaps by describing the public transport system as 'underdeveloped' or 'immature', perhaps? --T-Boy 15:30, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Well, I noticed Sunway Piramid is listed as one of the malls - which is rather inaccurate. It is under Subang Jaya District, which is separate from the Federal Territory and within Selangor. In fact, it is rather hell to get to Sunway Piramid from the centre of Kuala Lumpur - you would have to take a Komuter train to Subang Jaya stop, and with enough prayers, hope on a bus to Sunway which in all realism, is normally a 1/2 an hour ride (plus another half an hour train ride from Brickfields, not forgeting the long bus wait).
Other than the theme park, which IMHO is the bigger attraction, I don't see what's there for Sunway Piramid to offer that one couldn't find in places like Megamall, or Suria, or one of the dozens of other malls in KL. Oh... the pyramid theme...
Oh well. You could have mentioned about the malls along Jalan Bukit Bintang - Imbi Plaza, Sg. Wang Plaza, Lot 10, Star Hill, and oh, further up the street, Berjaya Times Square (note the Berjaya)
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KL vs Putrajaya
AFAIK Kuala Lumpur remains the official capital of Malaysia, even though some administrative functions have been shifted to Putrajaya. See [1] (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/my.html). Jpatokal 04:09, 22 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hotel
Do we need to list down the hotel and rate it? If we do that, as what the page currently does, we risk to sound like a travel page. Other cities' page, like NY may provide a good template for this page. __earth 18:10, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
- No, we don't, that's what Wikitravel (http://wikitravel.org/en/article/Kuala_Lumpur) is for. I have brutally deleted all non-encyclopedic listings. Jpatokal 03:06, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Jawi
Do we really need KL's name in Jawi? Bandar Seri Begawan I could understand, but Jawi is not an official script anywhere in Malaysia, certainly not in the Wilayat Persekutuan KL. Jpatokal 16:34, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- And again. Mr Tan's latest edit also breaks "Lumpur" at least on my browser. Discussion, please, or I'll remove it. Jpatokal 09:20, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Tourist hype removed
I have removed the entire following section:
- Kuala Lumpur is one of the cheapest places to travel to, offering great value for money. Accommodation is extremely cheap and is of excellent quality; 5 star hotels have rooms going for US$40-100. Food is extremely cheap if one frequents the local outlets (hawker stalls, roadside places and the like) and is nothing short of delicious. There are upmarket restaurants all over central Kuala Lumpur and in the more affluent suburbs, offering fare ranging from cutting edge avant-garde fusion, to representatives of just about any culture imaginable. Japanese food has gained immense popularity. Alcohol, however, is very expensive in Kuala Lumpur, due to Malaysia being a predominantly Muslim country (Islam prohibits the consumption of alcohol, but non-Muslims are free to consume alcohol) and the bars are not a big part of the social scene, although they are extremely popular with the affluent and expatriates.
- Kuala Lumpur has a vibrant nightlife, concentrated in three places; the first being the City Centre (specifically, the Golden Triangle area), the second being the posh district of Bangsar (near the Mid Valley Megamall) and the third being the up and coming swanky district of Seri Hartamas/Mont Kiara. In the Golden Triangle area, there is a myriad of chain restaurants, stores and shopping boutiques as well as a slew of nightclubs and bars. Nuovo and Sangria are interesting clubs to check out.
- Jalan Tunku Abdul Rahman and Jalan Bukit Bintang are both shopping streets with many shops and malls. Recently, Jalan Bukit Bintang has undergone massive redevelopment, making it more pedestrian friendly aesthetically pleasing.
- Interestingly, there is an enclave in the city centre where there exists a traditional Malay village (Kampung Baru, a stop on the Putra line LRT), where traditional Malay culture is very much alive.
- Posh residential districts include Taman Tun Dr. Ismail, Seri Hartamas/Mont Kiara, Bangsar, Tropicana, Ampang and Kenny Hill.
This is not NPOV and it's not encyclopedic. The writer is invited to contribute to Wikitravel instead (although even there the hyperbole should be toned down a little...). Jpatokal 16:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Contrary with what had been written, the Merdeka Square is not where the Independence was declared. Instead, it was at Merdeka Stadium.
Dataran Merdeka & Stadium Merdeka
I have to agree with the previous poster, it seems the association of Dataran Merdeka/Independence Square with the actual declaration of independence, as writen in the tourist destinations section, is inaccurate (but the site is more significant for the lowering of the Union Jack flag on the start of 31st August, 1957). What's more confusing is the mention of it taking place in Stadium Merdeka in another area of the article.
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If that is the case, it's easy to see how the error arises. I certainly understood this sign to mean that this was where the declaration of independence took place, although I now recall that there is a photo in the National History Museum (not far from this sign) of the Tunku declaring independence at a rally in a stadium. Adam 13:33, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)