Talk:Gene Roddenberry
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There seems to be a feud going on between 68.3.136.97 and others over the inclusion of the paragraph about Roddenberry's work ethics... -- Arteitle 04:28 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Trekker1 here... I worked on the show and with Gene Roddenberry. He did not leave the show in the third season. He worked right up until his death. And why post mean-spirited things about arguements with the studio? Is this really what should be in a biography? I'm not sure how to get into this chat room -- hope this is the way. I will continue to monitor his bio for accuracy and appropriate commentary.
- Wikipedia is not meant to be mean. We try to collect "facts" on a neutrale point of view. There are a lot of sources that say that Gene was quite controversial. e.g.: http://www.talkingpix.co.uk/Books_Gene%20Roddenberry.html or just read the autobiographies of Kirk, Spock, Uhura.... Wikipedia makes exactly the difference to the rest of the internet/books/voices that it shows positive and negative things of everything. You can not be neutral if you don't state the negative sides of a person. Please help us to make this article "true" by not only deleting but also contributing. Thanks, Fantasy 06:12 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Trekker1 again... In the interest of accuracy, you should not put that Gene "quit half way through the third season" of the Next Generation. This is simply not true. He never quit, and worked for almost two more seasons, contributing right up until his death in 1991. He reviewed all the scripts personally, attended all production meetings, was frequently on the set, and even had a building dedicated to him on the Paramount lot. Other sources are simply not familiar with his life the way I was, nor did they work side by side with him the way I did. And I have already contributed to this article regarding the information on his first wife (who was originally omitted, as if their 26 years marriage hadn't even existed!). I have been watching and updating this for many years. He was a good man and doesn't deserve to have his legacy done with revisionism from people who were not there. The paragraph I've been deleted is SIMPLY NOT TRUE!
- Wow, that is great, I am glad to know you. It is seldom that you can come across someone that had real contact with Gene and the STNG people. I envy you. I am not yet sure how we should go on with this, I just remember in Uhuras autobiographie that Gene was at the end (I don't know how long, weeks/years) quite pushed out of the films... I have read it some years ago, probably i mixed someting up. I will read it again, maybe I remember it wrong... Here you later, Fantasy 14:44 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- PS: Trekker1, there is one rule in Wikipedia that could help you a little bit: If you do something, put a comment in the "Summary" box, so that others know why/what you have done. Fantasy ;-)
- Ttekker1: True or not it is very widely known that Roddenberry was muscled out of a position of great control part way through the third season of TNG. That doesn't mean he didn't continue working at all (if I recall he was still listed as an "Executive Producer" even though his editorial control was diminished when Rick Berman began taking over) but it does mean that per our NPOV policy we must state both of these interpretations in a neutral way. --mav 16:44 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Trekker1 here again: Gene was not "muscled out" in any way. It is true his health was beginning to decline, and he simply wasn't up to the task physically. He had final approval of everything for a few more years. By the fifth season, he wasn't able to work very much. Berman and Michael Piller were encouraged by Gene to carry on his legacy. Joel Engle's book is very inaccurate in many places, as he interviewed people who had grudges against Gene and were willing to say harsh (and often untrue) things; Joel never met Gene and didn't have any way of knowing what was and what wasn't accurate.
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NPOV issues
There's no problem with adding critical information to a biography, but it should be well documented, especially when there are charges of plagiarism. Just pointing to "books by so-and-so" or "speeches by so-and-so" is not proper documentation, and hand waving of the type "These claims are extremely well documented" has no place in an encyclopedia. Just the facts, please.
I have removed the allegation of a Roddenberry/Barrett affair. When did it take place and where is this documented? Roddenberry was later married to Barrett, after all. I've also removed:
- Roddenberry's propensity for exaggerating his role in Star Trek is legendary and well known to scholars of the science-fiction community, and extremely well documented.
Pure fluff. Which exaggerations? Documented where? Details, please.
Also removed:
- At the time of Roddenberry's death, almost all of his former co-workers were so angry at Roddenberry that they refused to go to his funeral.
Source? A Google search for "roddenberry funeral" turns up Wikipedia at a top spot.—Eloquence 19:09, Jan 1, 2004 (UTC)
- A lot of these sources appear to be Joel Engel's biography ISBN 0-7868-6004-9. As far as the funeral, Engel says, "Irony explains why so few of those former fellow gods joined those who, on [the day of his funeral], had come to pay their final respects: They had no respect left to pay" (p. 12). Engel is extremely detailed and often cites sources, but he does seem to have something against Roddenberry. --Geoffrey 23:32, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
The source for everything is here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671009745/qid=1112454809/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7706117-7242547?v=glance&s=books
Inside Star Trek the Real Story is a book by the two main guys besides Roddenberry who created the originally series, Bob Justman and another guy. It talks about how Gene Rodenberry would have sex with Uhura viewable in a window from the street, how he had sex with Yeomon Rand, how he put Barret in because he was having sex with her and the studio was pissed that he did that, he admitting to having a "serious case of pillow talk". This book also documents his exagerations about his role in star trek, such as refuting many things he said that he invented.
Father, a police officer???
Wasn't his father also a cop? -- AllyUnion (talk) 04:36, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Biography
I think he also has a biography... or a part autobiography. -- AllyUnion (talk) 12:28, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Space burial
why is there no mention of his notable burial in space? User:Alkivar/sig 00:55, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)