Talk:Bill Oddie
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For use in future bibilography:
- A Birdwatcher's Miscellany, Rob Hume, Blandford Press, 1984 ISBN 0-7137-1385-2
Painter or not
I'm not convinced that Bill Oddie fits in the category of painters.
- 1) Even though he might paint sometimes and even present a TV programme on painting, that is not sufficient
- 2) Look at the rest of the list in Category:Painters, Bill Oddie and Churchill look like interlopers
- 3) Painting is not even close to Bill Oddie's main claim to fame
- 4) You don't even list painter as on of his qualities in the opening paragraph.
Is there a reason he should be included? -- Solipsist 14:14, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Yes: he's a painter. The category is not "people famous as painters"; "professional painters"; excluding him on thsoe grounds is rather PoV. If he and Churchill look like interlopers, it's becasue too few other painters are included. Andy Mabbett 15:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Sorry, still not good enough for me. If his qualities as a painter aren't strong enough to be mentioned in the article about him, I can't see that they are strong enough to include him in the category. Given the ammendment you have recently added, he would be more appropriate in Category:Illustrators. Churchill at least published a book about painting, but that isn't mentioned in his article either. Perhaps the solution is to put them both in the Category:Amateur painters. -- Solipsist 17:15, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- still not good enough for me - Like I said, PoV. Oddie and Churchill have probably each sold more pictures than Van Gough... Andy Mabbett 17:59, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- No its PoV to put someone in a category that is not particularly relevant and ignore others. Or are you contending that painting is one of the most important aspects of Bill Oddie's life. If so, it doesn't show up much on a Google search. (As you probably know Van Gogh only sold one painting during his lifetime, but he was included in professional exhibitions and has sold a vast number of reproductions since).
- Lets also try Reductio ad absurdum and add Bill Oddie to Category:British writers certainly more relevant than painting, Category:British musicians lets not forget Tie a Yellow Ribbon and The Funky Gibbon, Category:Photographers he must have some holiday snaps and even published a few, its PoV to require all Photographers to be professional, Category:Mountaineers I reckon he must have climbed Snowdon at least once.
- It seems silly to be arguing about this when there isn't even an article on Philip Snow who would have a much better claim and an illustrator and painter in the same field. -- Solipsist 18:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- So stop being silly and write one! Andy Mabbett 18:57, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- still not good enough for me - Like I said, PoV. Oddie and Churchill have probably each sold more pictures than Van Gough... Andy Mabbett 17:59, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Following further discussion at Category_talk:Art and Wikipedia talk:Categorization, moving from Painters to Illustrators -- Solipsist 08:28, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)