Talk:Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
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Drug Reference
Is someone planning to write about the drug undertones of this book or should this link be removed? -Adrian
I added a picture of the Caterpillar and a hookah; I see no reason why not, since the picture is already used in the Hookah article anyway. -- Lament
(although this reverse the orders of posting it makes more sense to stick it here)
I wasn't having a go at you, Lament, it's just the link here made no sense. Hookah probably isn't the 'drug overtones' the writer of that link had in mind. Why did the page refer to The Matrix and not older references? Surely people who've read the book would have some interest in the surreal?-Adrian
Instead of "drug overtones" i used the term "similarities to psychedelic experiences," which i think is more neutral. "Drug overtones" (or undertones) seems to suggest these were intended by the author, which i doubt was the case. -- Flearosca
Canonical
What does "canonical" mean in this context? -- Zoe
Pseudonym
I have reverted Ed Poor's change - aren't I daring? ;) As I see it, a book should be credited to its author, even if the author wrote it under a pseudonym. Furthermore, Dodgson is referred to as "Dodgson" throughout the article, and we shouldn't expect readers to already know that Carroll = Dodgson. And we certainly shouldn't expect people to click on the "Lewis Carroll" link just to find out that they are the same person. Of course, changing "Dodgson" to "Carroll" throughout the article would overcome this problem, but it would be crazy to call him "Carroll" when discussing his real life! -- Oliver PEREIRA 03:59 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
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As someone who uses a pseudonym in all his writings, i disagree with your point of view, but i am not reverting the changes you made. -- Flearosca
Custom Classics
"Customized classics" are a range of "editions" that put your picture on the cover, add a happy ending to Romeo and Juliet, and replace the names in the texts with the names of your choice: "Oh, Brad, Brad, wherefore art thou Brad?" You can get a customized edition of Moby Dick, with either Ahab or Moby bearing your own name. I'm trying hard to suppose that such links are added in good faith, and not as vandalism. Try to imagine EB referring to this type of product in its articles about literary classics. Wikipedia is a serious encyclopedia too. I've removed one of these links from this article, just as I have removed the same user's nonsense text in Romance novel and Romantic fiction. --Bishonen 19:11, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Is Alice in Wonderland really about a bad trip?
I have recently read Alice in Wonderland. I checked it out from the library, and found it a most difficult book to read. Much of it made no sense. However, I did conclude that Carol was a drug user. I mean, the mushroom, the hookah. There are so many things about that book that could most undeniably be seen as someones trip on shrooms or acid. The Disney movie didn't help much either, with all the colors and everything all over the place. I've done shrooms once and I didn't like it, but once was enough to be able to associate the trip with the story. I mean, I felt like I was lost in some sort of wonderland. Then I watched the movie while I was on it. You do weird things, like my girlfreind. I went up to her and held her hand while on it. She looked at me and just said, "why are you touching me?" not angry, just asking. As I look back, that just reminds me of the way the characters were in the movie and book. Like you ask yourself hard questions. It's a simple show of affection, but she asks me why? "Well, I don't know because I love you" I say. "Why do you love me?" she asks. I really couldn't answer that. I mean how could I, being young and in a fairly new relationship. I was faced with a question I couldn't answer yet couldn't ignore. You think of those things that you normally wouldn't put thought to. Then I ask myself, what is love. I started to think that love was nothing. It's really weird, by the end of the whole thing I was laying on the floor, in a corner, in the fetal position. About the book though, no one seemed to worry about anyone but themselves. The feel of the book, and it may also be that the movie is influencing my perspective, is what it felt to be on shrooms. I feel as though I can associate with the mind set of the characters. It's hard to explain if you've never done them, I just wanted someone elses opinion. I was just wondering if anyone else agrees with me. Perhaps someone has read other more intellegent peoples theories as to why this seems to be a drug users story. _______________________
I think that anyone who has actually read about Lewis Carroll would find it very, very hard to imagine the man smoking psyllocibin. Carroll was a logician who liked to play word games and who enjoyed twisting logic until it broke. His personal habits appear to have been very, very abstemious.
Jeff Noon's Automated Alice
Maybe there should be a reference to the book "Automated Alice" by Jeff Noon, a writer from Great Britain. He describes the book as a trequel to the first two alice books by Lewis Carrol.
Some info about the book can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Noon
and here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0552999059/ref=ase_125/202-6476551-2460615