Talk:1 (number)
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If we're going to define the number one, I think we need to cover more. One is the identity in many number systems, not just multiplication over a ring.
I also think Peano's definition of number deserves a mention. And then we're into definitions of number, which is probably a more fruitful article, but one I'm not qualified to write. --Vicki Rosenzweig
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Doesn't all the stuff at the bottom of the list belong at the disambig page? Isn't that what disambig pages are for??? Revolver 09:43, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
OK, what the heck....
I enjoyed piling on to the "one is also" list and contributing some trivia, and experienced a twinge of ego deflation when Eloquence deleted them. (And, worse yet, called it a "crap removal example." Crap? Crap? CRAP????!!! My inclusion of the Marvin Hamlisch song entitled One was certainly not crap, it was absolutely on target, scintillatingly clever, incontrovertibly encyclopedic, and I was about to self-nominate it for Brilliant Prose when—but I digress).
Anyway, I stared at the list, considered reverting the pageand thought about what I would actually appreciate finding if I followed a link to an article on One and decided Eloquence was right.
Dpbsmith 23:19, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
...But, what the heck, if people think the "one is also" list DOES belong, darned if I'm getting left out of the party. So, I guess I will add those entries to the list. Dpbsmith 16:19, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Proposed criteria for inclusion in "other meanings" section
If we're going to have a list... we should distinguish between
a) things that actually have something fundamental to do with one-ness or properties of the number one—these are IMHO the legitimate items. If there are any. And,
b) things that are associated with number 1 simply because they are the first of a numbered group of things (e.g. highway route numbers).
The latter should probably be characterized as '"trivia." Dpbsmith 12:01, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- In response to (b): can you assume that something was given the number 1 just because it happened to be the first, or was it given the number 1 because it's the most important of the set? Also, be careful to call things "trivia" if your POV is the only thing telling you its trivia. E.g., the Marvin Hammlisch song is trivia to me because I don't care about Broadway musicals, but it would be wrong for me to impose my sense of trivia on others. 141.217.200.131 22:39, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- In the example I gave (highway route numbers), those that are numbered "one" are indeed simply the first, not the most important. Re trivia: perhaps I shouldn't have used that word, but I gave an NPOV definition of what I meant by it. The Marvin Hamlisch song does not illustrate any particular property of the number "one." It is simply a song whose title happens to be "One." It doesn't have a very good claim to be mentioned in an article about "One," any more than Beethoven's Symphony No. 1, Brahms' Symphony No. 1, Mahler's Symphony No. 1, Rachmaninov's Symphony No. 1, or Sibelius' Symphony No. 1, none of which are trivial piece of music, but all of which are trivial examples of the number 1. Dpbsmith 01:47, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- I can see your point about it not being worthwhile to list all the Symphonies No. 1, there are too many of them and probably none of them illustrates oneness (though it reminds me about a particular Symphony No. 0 which is worth mentioning in the article on zero).
Does the Marvin Hamlisch song illustrate any properties of the number one? I don't know, I've probly never heard that song. Is that the song that says "one is the loneliest number"? Whatever song says that illustrates a property of the number one, and is worth including in this article.
As for the highways, 1 is often the most important national, state or local highways, and it might also be the first. For example, Michigan 1 is Woodward Avenue, which is the central north-south street of the metro Detroit area. Those numbers are not always given sequentially, but are instead matched up between properties of the number and properties of the highway, e.g., odd-numbered U.S. interstates are north-south highways. (I don't think state and local highways are worth listing, but national ones should be listed.) 141.217.173.168 16:31, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Evolution of glyphs
I think the articles 0 - 9 ought to discuss how the glyph for the numeral in question evolved. In the case of 1, I was about to write in the article that its form has remained very stable through the many permutations by the Hindus and Arabs, but I'm holding off on that until I do a little more reading on the subject. PrimeFan 17:47, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
A page for the word "one"?
See discussion towards the end of Talk:List of numbers/Deletion.
Prefixes
Some of the number articles of Wikipedia have prefixes added to their tables; others don't. What's the problem?? Check to see which do and which don't. 66.245.0.163 20:35, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)