User talk:Gianfranco

Ciau Gianfranco Did you know that we have started a sicilian wikipedia? If you have any friends that can write in Sicilian, please let them know. Indeed, if you yourself can write in Sicilian, your articles will always be welcome. Salutamu --pippudoz 05:57, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ciao Gianfranco, mi chiamo Valentina e sono una studentessa dell'Università Cattolica di Milano. Sto studiando per la mia tesi di laurea, nella quale studierò proprio il progetto dell'enciclopedia open source e in particolare sto cercando di capire bene il funzionamento base di Wikipedia. Essendo la mia tesi in ambito sociologico, in particolare trattasi di sociologia della comunicazione, sarei interessata soprattutto a capire il processo di 'annullamento' del diritto d'autore/editore, al fine di creare questa sorta di 'diritto collettivo'. Ho letto che tu sei uno dei veterani, nonchè il fondatore del progetto italiano di Wikipedia. Mi piacerebbe chiederti un po' di solidarietà e vorrei una mano per entrare in questo mondo e cercare di capirne a fondo il funzionamento, anche con la lettura delle tue esperienze a riguardo e magari di altri wikipediani. Sono particolarmente incuriosità dal fatto che un così grande numero di persone si siano messe insieme per creare qs archivio di tutto lo scibile umano, perennemente aggiornabile. Ti ringrazio moltissimo già da ora per la collaborazione, attendo impaziente un segno di vita da parte tua :-)))) --[Vala]

ps. sai dirmi qualcosa anche sulla versione internazionale in inglese e sui fondatori. Come hai scoperto tu il tutto, ecc. Thanx

Sono it:Tomi: un nuovo amico (Christian) ha mostrato un interesse a capire meglio cosa voglia dire diritto d'autore. Gli ho dato una risposta. puoi verificare (almeno l'ortografia :-), per favore? http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Silvio_Berlusconi/Talk

Scusa, ho sbagliato un link, come si cancella la voce (nello specifico patriarca di Venezia cehe andava diviso in patriarca e Venezia). Al momento la pagina l'ho svuotata, ma per eliminarla non basta... puoi dirmi come si fa? Lucas

1500 articoli ?! suvvia non bariamo, più della metà sono a quattro cifre oppure seguiti dal nome di un mese. Magari fossero già stati riempiti anche questi !
ciao it:Tomi

Intanto non sottovalutiamo il duro lavoro dei portatori d'acqua ;-)))

Secondo: caso mai mi potevi dire "l'era dell'ottimismo", con tanto di commessi e clienti che saltellano tutti contenti gridando che questo è il migliore dei mondi possibili... :-)))

Seriamente, siccome in pochissimi stiamo facendo un gran lavoro (io un po' meno, a dire il vero), mi piaceva comunque dare un segnale di crescita, il cui dato numerico è difficile da individuare sceverato dalle pagine sui giorni e sugli anni. Occorrerebbe una query che non so immaginare al momento. E' importane però segnalare che la "massa critica" si muove, cresce, si perfeziona e si sviluppa, e sapendo che quando toccheremo i 5.000 avremo già incluso e completato gli anni (2000), i giorni (366) e i decenni (200), da quel momento saranno tutti articoli "puri".

La Wiki inglese cominciò in questo modo. Può sembrarci strano, ma quando qui si prefissavano di raggiungere quota 100.000, sembrava un obiettivo impossibile. Anche il richiamo numerico (fatto al nostro stesso modo) ebbe probabilmente la sua importanza.

Con il PHP (che non so proprio perché stia ritardando - quando ho messo l'avviso, mi era stato dato giorno ed ora...) potremo distinguere velocemente la qualità degli articoli già escludendo dal computo i redirect e le pagine Talk, e avremo un conto già più netto. Vedi qui (http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics)

Comunque, cerchiamo di raggiungere i 5.000, che (comunque siano) sarebbero già una massa di articoli di buona rilevanza :-))) G

Ciao Gianfranco, son sempre io, tomi http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi .

Ti invito a leggere http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi/Discussione .

Ci risentiamo, tomi

Ciao Gianfranco, Sono Tomi http://it.wikipedia.com/wiki.cgi?Tomi , a parte ringraziarti per il tuo lavoro su it.wikipedia.com , volevo chiederti se c'è un modo di aver un proprio mirror locale, per evitarmi di stare troppo a lungo on-line (off-line non va molto bene, perché ci sono sempre piccoli stupidi errori che si fanno) Serve a me a casa (Linux/Apache/MySQL/Perl-PHP-Pyton)

Seconda domanda: c'è modo di mettere le immagini da qualche parte? Avrei altre domande, ma te le risparmio (per il momento) ciao, tomi

Hi Gianfranco --

I've left a note for you on Talk:Salic law. If you have a chance, could you please check it out? Mille Gracie! JHK

Hi Gianfranco - you don't seem to be around very much these days, but I hope you can help me with something over at conductor. I'm wondering if the Italian term direttori (which you introduced to a section of the orchestra article which I've since moved to conductor) is exactly equivalent to "conductors" or if it means something more specific (for instance, is it only applied to conductors of opera, ballet, other stage works; or only to well established conductors; or something else). Thanks. --Camembert

Hi Camembert, I believe that Direttori (singular: Direttore) mostly coincides with the English Conductors. It is indeed a degree in artistic careers that is in use in many disciplines and it should correspond to the function of the one who has the duty of organising and coordinating an artistic show. But, like in the most evident example of Opera, the Direttore is not always the general artistic organiser of whole show - Visconti and Zeffirelli, just to mention a couple of cases, produced "their" famous interpretations of Opera works with no directly musical performance. So Direttore applies to the organisation and coordination in the respective field of competence.

In formal language, we have the "Direttore d'Orchestra", the "Direttore del Corpo di Ballo" and so on; recently, new forms were also added like the ugly "Maestro direttore" or "Maestro programmatore", but these are reserved to special careers (like for radio-TV companies' orchestras).

The title is quite bureaucratic, in the sense that it is not reserved to the really most important "bacchette" only. We have plenty of unknown Conductors that merely have completed a course of studies in the Conservatories (this happens also for the word "Maestro"), so they have achieved a sort of official administrative licence to conduct, but no serious impresario would ever let them govern an important orchestra (even if sometimes... ;-)

In general language, consider that a true Direttore is a good Conductor.

Long hair is not mandatory :-) --G

Hi Gianfranco. Sorry to hear about your office getting flooded; hope you manage to sort things out soon. --Bth

Thank you, Bth.

We're still working very hard these days, and little by little objects and furnitures are being dried and re-ordered. Unfortunately there are many things, especially photographs, pictures, books, to which I linked personal memories, that are lost forever and this is the worst damage. I'm currently within the chaos, yet (sadly) working.

But... I won't surrender, not at all! :-))) --G

Thanks for your help on Italian cuisine - (I put the other info there in the last few days) - i know it is terribly inadequate - with more time to research it i'd like to really flesh out the italian cuisine section properly. cheers Leon

Hi Gianfranco -- check out Pontifex Maximus to make sure I haven't done any violence to anything you've added<G>. -- Someone else 02:28 Oct 31, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Someone Else, thank you for your help.

No violence, at all :-) Only, I think that some dubitative caution could have perhaps remained, given that there is no "scientific certitude" on what they were or represented and many versions are available on these topics.

But that's really the only point, and effectively not crucial. Thank you again :-))) [G]

Hi again<G>. Point taken, room for doubt is a good thing, but a little bit goes a long way. I just did a bit of editing on Rota. Again, I don't think I did TOO much damage... but you should check just the same. (I think it's nice that you ask for help with the language, your English is really pretty good.) Someone else 04:21 Nov 2, 2002 (UTC)

No damage, Someone Else, don't worry. Now it is what I really wanted to say :-)

I do need that someone (else? :-) graciously checks my contributions, as I'd like to add something (hopefully) useful and correct to the project, and in an Encyclopedia there is no room for mistakes.

I hope indeed that my English can be sufficient for communications, I'm always afraid I could need to add gesture to explain myself, and here it wouldn't be that easy... :-))) [G]

Gianfranco, Since you've already pointed out the intransigence of the Italian bureaucracy's devotion to official documents (Gian-Carlo Rota) I thought you might find this link of interest - a story about the difficulty of a young man accidentally designated as a female on his birth certificate.... [[1] (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51403-2002Nov1.html)] -- Someone else 22:54 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)

ehmmmmm.... I'm afraid that in the article there is as much sweet irony as terrible truth.

Yes, a few "peaks" might have been sharpened for the audience's advantage - but the essential description is correct. This is really not what we are used to, it is actually something that cannot surprise us. We say "ahimé"...

A few years ago we had the case of a family, still in a poor context of Southern Italy, of which the many brothers and sisters were recorded (or later resulted) with many different surnames, instead of presenting the same common one. More or less, these surnames were only little different among each other, perhaps a carachter or two, a plural instead of a singular and soon, but "formally" they were different. This could happen because birth acts were written by hand by different officers who often took no care in what parents verbally declared. Maybe once the father had a louder voice, maybe for the birth of another son he had caught a cold, maybe also the officer was half-deaf, maybe the father was not completely aware of his personal surname... who knows? After the wrong recording by the first officer, there is still another officer who will perform the transcription of the first document. At this moment, when the first one was not a "calligraphist", it was easy to wrongly read and copy. And once you have a "document", there you are, from here to eternity. When the parents died, a sort of law had to be officially and formally issued to recognise to the brothers their (poor) rights in the succession.

I believe that the one who better rendered this formalism was Luigi Pirandello (I personally love this author, I regret that foreigners unfortunately cannot entirely appreciate his sophisticated use of the Italian language, his attention to quite unperceivable details of the communication, an accessory literarian greatness - but me too, I miss in turn these nuances for those authors foreign to me). Well, Pirandello wrote a paradoxal novel, "La Patente". It is the story of a man that the general superstition, in the village in which he lives in, indicates as a "jettatore" (one who brings bad luck, one to avoid because accompanied by "mala sorte", a sort of "outrageous fortune" that occurs to damage others than him). This man goes to the local police district and formally asks for a "Patente", a "document" that could publicly demonstrate that he was embodying such an unpleasant figure. Why? Being a jettatore is usually not a comfortable situation in Italy: everybody would avoid you, when you walk people secretly knock on steel (not wood, here), shake a coral red horn, or perform other scaramantic manoeuvres inside their pockets. A man would never let you marry his daughter, a wedding or an important purchase would be postponed if you simply pass by in the surroundings. So, why was he asking for such a document, why did he need a formal transcription, an official recording of such a disgraced condition? Why a "document" is so important here? Because with that document (let me point out that we don't have such certifications... if I well remember...) he would have been able to work: he could have legitimately stationed in front of a restaurant, or in front of a jewelry, and the patron would have immediately come out, paying him a fee to rapidly abandon his position and eventually move to stand in front of a concurrent shop... He just needed a document.

But we follow ancient traditions: quod non est in registro non est in mundo"...

Deep thanks for your note, I enjoyed reading that article (after the happy ending, of course...) :-))) Gianfranco

Hey, many thanks on your assistance with the War on Drugs. I just finished revising, cleaning up the English and making some other changes. Feel free to check it out. I had one question:

• The proposed scheme would be terrificly dangerous because this would bring trafficants to engage into a chemical challenge (newer drugs are mostly made by synthesis) with the state, in order to create new clandestine products for new markets. Eventual new products could be even more lethal than current ones, so to gain consumers' interest. In alternative, trafficants could be forced to invest in other illegal activities, with all the power of their really huge capitals.

This was cited as an argument in favor of prohibition. If I read it correctly, it is saying that, if drugs were legalized, people who currently sell illegal drugs would invent new (presumably legal, since the War on Drugs has been cancelled in this hypothesis) drugs that excite the public's interest by killing large numbers of users using the (virtually nonexistent) profits they make from selling then-legal drugs at inflated prices, with the (also nonexistent) leftovers used to fund other illegal activities. I'm not at all saying it is impossible for someone to make such an argument, but I've never heard of it and it doesn't make much sense. If people really do argue this, please give me more details so I can reword it more clearly. Thanks a lot for your help, Tokerboy 06:13 Nov 5, 2002 (UTC)

Hi Tokerboy, thank you for your note and for your huge work on that page. I'm very sorry to answer you so late, but I was in bed with an... unpleasant girl :-)

I'm answering you on the Talk:War on Drugs page, so to allow other contributors to eventually enrich the discussion. See you there :-) [G]

Hello Gianfranco,

I saw that you have changed the format for the title of the links footnote in the article House of Savoy. I had actually already formatted this title on purpose, in a way that may appear too big, but which was in line with what has been defined in Wikipedia:Manual of Style. So, I changed it back. Not a big deal. Just wanted to let you know about that, and that it is probably important that we all use the same style across the 'pedia, so that there is a common feel across all pages. olivier 09:58 Nov 6, 2002 (UTC)

Hi, Olivier.

The change I made was intended to avoid the paragraphs to be ordered starting by zero: the hyerarchy of these tags ("==", "===", etc.) and their position, currently makes the numbers of each paragraph start from 0.1, 0.2, etc, which makes no sense to me. Two alternative solutions we could use: we could make the last tag too like the other ones (please look at "=" signs) and we would have no more numbers, or we could invert the current tags (using "===" where now is "==", and viceversa), so that the article might start - more normally - with 1.1, 1.2, etc. I do consider that it would be better to have no numbers at all for that article, but... qu'en pensez-vous? :-) [G]

The reason why you see numbers next to the headings is because you have selected "Auto-number headings" in your "Preferences". I am not using this option, so I did not initially see the same thing as you did. Now I can see what you mean, and I agree, it does not look great. Maybe the best way to solve it is to uncheck "Auto-number headings" in your "Preferences"... I agree that it will not solve the problem for people wiling to visualize the numbering though. So, please feel free to change the tags accordingly, but I would rather keep the formattng in line with the Manual of style. olivier 08:59 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)

Well, in the Manual of style it is suggested to use "=" tags instead of " ''' " ones, but we can freely choose how many "=" signs to use in order to render any paragraph with its own "weight" inside the article and to eventually nest sub-sections. I'd say that the Manual's instruction was perhaps meant to allow auto-numbering (and I evidently agree this can be useful), and for this purpose it's necessary to turn the " ''' " tags into "=" (or "==", "===", "====", etc) ones. In fact my point was only that if the first sections are tagged with three "="s, and the last one with only two, the first section is recognised by the stylesheet as "of minor importance" of the last one, so it is numbered as if they were sub-sections while the last one was a section ("of higher level"). In this case, starting with a "sub-section" (as recognised by the software), numbers start with 0.1, 0.2, etc.

If we edit as proposed, we are still in line with instructions :-) [G]

Hey, sorry about the delay on moving the wiki. I've been distracted by the &$&*$@# performance problems, and have kept having to push back my upgrade plans. Should be soon... in the meantime, make sure the italian translation is up-to-date with the last few changes: see [2] (http://meta.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Language.php&diff=0&oldid=5010). It won't hurt if you don't, you'll just see a few new English messages. :) --Brion 10:02 Feb 4, 2003 (UTC)

I'll check it in depth tonight, but for what I have now quickly seen, there shouldn't be a problem if variables' names haven't changed. Besides, I still trust that further changes might be added later, when we will experience it in the "ordinary" editing life ;-)

Thank you again :-))) [G]

Hello,
I have been told by fr:Utilisateur:Tomi to ask you about this page [[3] (http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_formats_for_language_linking)]. There are century and millenium to add for Italian. And are there capitals on months in Italian? Because there are not on this page, but there are in the Italian Wikipedia. By example, a link to it: gennaio goes to it:1 Gennaio. Thanks, Yann from France.

Hi Gianfranco --
Just wanted to let you know that I expanded the article on the American Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, to which you contributed a while ago. --Xinoph 04:42, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

Sciau Gianfranco.

I was wondering, since you have some Sardinian friends... do you think perhaps you could introduce them to Wikipedia and help get sc: up and running? (sc: (http://sc.wikipedia.org/)

Also... I think it's best for right now if people use the Limba Sarda Unificada (sp?) standard for spelling and grammar.

Node

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)

bee eater image.

I marked Image:Pasq3.jpg as GFDL, is that OK?

Corriere della Sera

Hi, I left a question for you on Talk:Corriere della Sera about one sentence you added to that article. Cheers, AxelBoldt 20:51, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Il Corso in Sardegna

Ho letto di recente l'affermazione errata che in nessuna parte della Sardegna si parla corso. Strano, perché una recente legge regionale sarda non considera come sardi, il gallurese e il sassarese. Molto più importante, i linguisti, specie quelli che si occupano di lingue romanze, considerano che sia il gallurese, sia il sassarese, sono varianti del corso o strettamente imparentati con il corso. Per quale motivo? Perché il plurale è in -i come nei dialetti toscani, perché l'articolo è identico a quello del corso, perché la sintassi e molto altre regole sono uguali da una parte e l'altra dello stretto di Bonifacio (dove si parla ligure, ma questa è un'altra storia). Certo, tra la lingua sarda e il gallurese/sassarese ci sono molti punti di contatto (vocabolario - ed il famoso ajò, ma questo esiste anche in Corsica). Dunque, prima di dire cose che sono false, bisogna leggere sulla linguistica (e non solo ethnologue). Ed essere più cauti. Ho scritto questo testo in italiano perché volevo esser certo di essere capito. Enzino 22:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

E' vero, bisogna essere più cauti.

Ad esempio nel supporre che qualcuno faccia uso di ethnologue e che non abbia letto invece - magari per passione, ma con estrema attenzione - sufficiente letteratura scientifica su carta, in questo caso testi dell'Università di Cagliari, certamente il Blasco Ferrer, ma davvero non solo, prima di formarsi un concetto.

Poi, anche in ambito scientifico ci sono certamente teorie originali. Che possono servire tanto alle leggi regionali quanto ai lavori sulla LSU. Ma di solito non me ne interesso.

E' vero, bisogna essere più cauti.

Expanding "Italy" Article

How would you feel about expanding "Italy"'s English Wikipedia article? In comparison to other countries, I think the size of the article is unrepresentative of Italy's historical significance and greatness. There's seems to be only 5 or so complete paragraphs on the subject, in contrast with France and Germany who's entries boast an abundance of information.