Talk:Xenogears
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I removed the links to Evangelion and FF. I believe that we should keep only the necessary links - links that further explain and expand the item, or are of necessity.
We should discuss FF's influences to XG, rather than put up a link without any hint of its relations to the topic. This will only lead to confusion for newbies to the topic.
Evangelion is more of an item of comparison to XG; and not an item that further expands on the topic. Other than that, it already has a link on the topic's body.
-Virgofenix
Xenogears' ending credits has a quick flash of the word "Episode 5".
-Virgofenix
The article contains the following sentence: "Xenogears is actually the fifth installment of a series of six, but no Xenogears games were made before this one.". What does this mean? If there were no other Xenogears games made before this one, then how can it be the fifth installment? Does it say "Number 5 of 6" in the intro or something? --4.246.6.169 05:23, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- It's the same situation with Star Wars, George Lucas created the fourth installment of the saga before created the first three. Also, take a look at the Xenosaga page for more info. --ThatNateGuy 04:22, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
BKidd, it's great that you're describing this game, but remember that a) we're trying to write an encyclopedia here. That means we try and present a balanced picture of things, not taking a fan's perspective. Please read the article on neutral point of view at some stage.
Your claim that Xenogears has "proven to be one of the most memorable and controversial games ever released", shows a bit of a lack of perspective. It's like claiming that, say, Limp Bizkit is the greatest band ever. I read computer gaming magazines fairly regularly, and I don't even remember Xenogears. (I'm not saying it's not a great game. It might well be). Compared to the controversy caused by, say, Wolfenstein 3D, or Doom, the fuss caused by Xenogears is pretty minimal. Nor have you explained what genre the game belongs in. It sounds like an RPG, but I'm frankly not sure from your article.
Like I said, it's really excellent that you're putting in this effort, but try to write your articles for other people who might not be so familiar or enthused with the game and we'll all get much more use from that substantial effort. --Robert Merkel
I've lived in modern technological countries for several decades and I've never heard of it before. :-)
That's why I amended the text to read "for the Playstation". I'll work more on it soon, because it's not that big a deal even within the Playstation universe. -- NickelKnowledge
Wolfenstein or Doom could be a great popular success, but nothing compared to the shock xenogears did to his fans. For me, this saga beats Star Wars ... Xeno is a RPG for the playstation,it hadn't a great success so u probably never heard of it ... however it has the deepest story ever imagined for a video game (and i'm objective here, ask everyone who finished it ...). I consider it as the first RPG, due to his sci-fi evoluted story ... it's worth an article in the pretty cool wikipedia ^^ ... hoping it'll make some of you to discover this great game (you have the chance to be able to legaly buy this game, some have not this possibility ... Xenogears was never released in europe :'( (some fans are going to remedy to this ;) ). It's impossible to have a NPOV with this game once you finished it ;-) sorry for my bad english. Smeuuh@free.fr
Just out of curiosity, where did the rumors that Xenogears might not be released due to its religious content come from? Moral Majority types usually don't get that upset about games as far under the radar as Xenogears, regardless of their content. Thunderbunny 18:12, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
There is no proof that Xenogears was rushed. This can only be inferred from the gameplay of the second disc.--Paraiba 19:56, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I removed this from the end of the (rather perfunctory) sentence on the battle system (which says that it's based on button combinations):
- this system was used again in a later Square RPG, called Chrono Cross.
I would guess the author is referring to the fact that both games' battle systems give you a certain amount of 'stamina' with which to attack in a given turn, but in Chrono Cross one selects the level of attack (weak/strong/fierce) from a list, rather than particular buttons being associated with each level, and picking attacks in a certain order doesn't have special effects as it does in Xenogears. Unfortunately, I haven't played Xenogears recently enough to be able to give a more detailed description of the battle system; anyone else feel like improving on it? Damien Prystay 06:40, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
The rumor of religious friction, according to xgam.org as well as other Xenogears sources, is entirely true. As for the proof that Xenogears was rushed, you really do have to figure so what with their reported funds drought, as well as the drastic difference between the first and second disks. Furthermore, there are bits of code which were never implemented, as well as some loose ends never tied up. These should really be nonissues. -Big Billy V
- I looked at <a href="http://www.xgam.org">xgam</a>; it appears to be a fan site, hardly an authoritative source. Anyways, I still think the rumors are suspicious (though they are, as a previous editor mentioned, definitely out there). I've heard plenty about uproars coming from games like Grand Theft Auto, Doom, Duke Nukem...genre-defining and/or very commercially successful games which contain frequent graphic depictions of violence and/or sex. Xenogears is a relatively obscure RPG whose greatest sin is making a few less-than-reverent, out-of-context Biblical references. I don't think that upsets too many people, and it really does seem like the only talk of a negative Christian reaction to Xenogears is speculation coming from Internet message boards. Thunderbunny 08:32, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I threw in the Nietzsche link, as his work is central to where they derived ideas for the overall themes of the game, as well as the titles for the Xenosaga series. -Polarism 16:38, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The links to Nietzsche and Jung under "related" seem like non sequiturs. They would make more sense worked into the article text itself so the reader can get some idea of their relevance from context. As it is, they come completely out of left field. — Gwalla | Talk 06:37, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed this statement:
"; they had simply too much ground to cover."
Because it was presenting a point that was already presented, and I'm a perfectionist. -Akir