Talk:Vaccination
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Not sure about the etymology of the word vaccination. Vaccinia is a term for cowpox so probably vaccination is derived from it. Kpjas
Indeed. And the phrase Vaccinia is derived from the word for Cow. Can't remember whether its latin or Greek though.
Vacca is Latin for a cow. AFAIR
needs a writeup on how the bad press on vaccination got started and how it got debunked ... Alex.tan 18:24 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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Myths and facts on vaccination
--Myth #1: Measles deaths had declined by 99.4% (from 1901/2, UK) before vaccination.
--Myth #2: There is no evidence vaccination eliminated smallpox, and vaccination increased the spread and incidence of the disease, as well as spreading leprosy, syphilis, TB and the like around the world. Huge epidemics were caused by compulsory vaccination which was why they repealed the compulsory vaccination act. Most cases of smallpox had been vaccination.
--Myth #3: The dangers and infectivity of smallpox have been hyped to sell vaccination. It was considered less dangerous than measles in the 18th century and 98% curable under homeopaths or naturopaths, while under allopaths it was 20-30% fatal, due mostly to their use of mercury and ignorance of diet and nutrition--the main protection against smallpox.
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-- Fact #1: There are no long-term double-blind randomised controlled studies of any vaccine for any disease published in any journal in any country in any time period. (To perform a long-term controlled study of vaccination, one would take two large groups of people, and vaccinate one group and not vaccinate the other. Then one would wait and see how the individuals in each group fared over a period of years.)
-- Fact #2: Epidemiological evidence shows that vaccines are not 100% effective, that they do have undesirable side effects, and that they sometimes can cause the disease they seek to prevent.
-- Fact #3: Epidemiological evidence show that vaccine programs can decrease the incidence and prevalence of disease.
-- Fact #4: Post-exposure prophylaxis vaccination has been demonstarted to reduce the incidence and severity of such diseases as smallpox and rabies.
-- Fact #5: Some of the reduced incidence in given diseases for which vaccinations are given is due to improved nutrition and improved sanitation, and cannot be entirely attributed to the vaccination's effects.
We need a better write-up of this. It must include sources or at least areas where myth is prevalent and sources for so-called facts. Also it can't be a numbered list. Measles is not the number one myth subject in America for instance. I doubt these should be called myths and facts at all to keep in NPOV. Rmhermen 16:03, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)
Should this be merged with vaccine? Rmhermen 17:09, Nov 12, 2003 (UTC)
This is a POV until scientifically reviewed, and if the facts are right, scientists will never deem this true, because, according to Myth #3, vaccination is overhyped, and therefore, if that was true, the scientists would never deem this true, because then it would hurt their credability. KirbyMeister 11:11, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
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I think the article is out-of-balance. The other side of the picture is completely absent. There are many published objections to vaccinations. A few could be mentioned here. Yes, I'm the culprit who added the NVIC link. Afterall, it is probably the best source of facts on the internet on this topic.
- there is far more published suport. The evindence does not support the antivac position. The most famos anti-vac paper has had it's credibitly destroyed. The national vacine information centre is a sick joke.Geni
US information
If that is to be included you also have to alow the leagl staus of vacintion with regard to civil law in every other country on the planet. I fell this could redult in the article looking rather silly <ANON>
well more to the point... is it true?? Erich 12:02, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
Pretty much all damages due to vaction in the US are payed by the US govenment.Geni 23:28, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
so, just to clarify, can you still sue and receive damages, but the government picks up the tab? Erich 11:49, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
As far as I understand it pretty muchGeni 11:58, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)
ratbags.com
two pages from the ratbags site
http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight/vaccines1.htm
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/
looks like a provacination site to me.Geni 23:29, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Thanks for listing the subdirectory links because there was nothing about vaccines on the home page. Wiki links should go directly to the page on topic. Readers may not want to continue if they do not find what they expect. The second link should be http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/vaxliars1.htm Petersam 16:02, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Ideas about inoculation transmitted to the west from India?
I've just been reading the smallpox page which includes the following paragraph:
- Smallpox is described in the Ayurveda books. Treatment included inoculation with year-old smallpox matter. The inoculators would travel all across India pricking the skin of the arm with a small metal instrument using "variolous matter" taken from pustules produced by the previous year's inoculations. The effectiveness of this system was confirmed by the British doctor J.Z. Holwell in an account to the College of Physicians in London in 1767.<i>
As the date of this account of Indian practice to British physicians preceeded Edward Jenner's vaccine by nearly 30 years I am wondering if some cross-fertilisation of ideas occured.
This is just speculation on my part. I have no expertise in this area. Just wanted to mention it here. Oska 08:51, Jan 7, 2005 (UTC)
- There was alos some knowlage of this practice from turkey. I belive there was some use of live smallpox as a vaccine however it wasn't until Edward Jenner made his observations that cowpox was used. Geni 11:37, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
