Talk:Tommy
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Moon plays his drums almost like a sane person through most of the opera, but has plenty of opportunities for showing off too.
I removed this sentence from the article because it's not encyclopedic... but maybe somebody can rephrase it more appropriately and reinsert it. KJ 09:32 Dec 13, 2002 (UTC)
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Who got killed?
The beginning of the article reads:
- Tommy is the fictitious biography of Tommy Walker. Tommy's father had been listed as missing in action during World War I, but he returns unexpectedly in 1921 (changed to World War II and 1951 in some later versions) and kills his wife's new lover in front of the seven-year-old Tommy.
This is wrong, the guy killed by the lamp is Tommy's father which came home from the war, and this was done by his new stepfather, Frank Hobbs. I corrected this at 2004-07-17 20:14, but Jgm reverted that at 21:01. There isn't much doubt about this? Sunny256 2004-07-17T22:00Z
- Hi, I have the original album sleeve in front of me. There is no "Frank" in the original version: there is "Lover", "Mother", and "Father". The "You didn't hear it" part is sung by Mother & Father; Father sings parts througout the rest of the work. Therefore he's not dead. I suspect this may be another thing that was changed for the movie or stage musical, but can't confirm as I don't have a copy. If so, the right thing to do might be limit the main story paragraph to the original alubm version and move all the differences between the original and the subsequent versions to the next paragraph. Sorry if I appeared short with the reversion, was on my way out. Jgm 22:54, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Frank, to my knowledge, first appeared in the film, but certainly isn't a part of the album. However, the album's song is also quite clearly set in 1921, so if the article mentions 1951 (also from the film but not the album) then maybe it should mention Frank as well. Besides, the plot of the album is so ambiguous and vague, it's very hard to get anything definite about it at all - it's not even clear that the father kills the lover. John Entwistle once said that he never knew what the plot of Tommy was until he saw the Ken Russell film - and that Ken Russell got it wrong...--MockTurtle 23:16, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Perhaps the changes I just made help this situation? Jgm 16:24, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Much better :) --MockTurtle 02:53, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Just chiming in to confirm that although different versions vary, on the album, it is Captain Walker who kills the lover, and not the other way around. It's really unmistakable if you read the libretto. I've reverted the text to what it said before it was "corrected". Skyraider 04:06, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
User:Hiphats wrote in the film version, the lover kills the husband rather than the husband killing the lover, and Tommy's parents, as well as his followers, are all killed in the end, leaving the lead character to finally find both himself, and total, personal freedom). I don't think this is correct as written. First, if the first part of this is correct (and I think it is) one of the parents is already dead prior to this point in the film; secondly, I don't recall any massive death of Tommy's followers at the end of the film version (though I do think the Mother may have died at the hands of the mob). If there is another version being referred to then it needs to be made clearer, I think. Jgm 00:29, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
"Fictitious" Moon composition?
Early on, the article states:
- The opera was composed by Who guitarist Peter Townshend, with two tracks contributed by Who bassist John Entwistle and one fictitiously attributed to Who drummer Keith Moon, though actually written by Townshend.
Is there any external source to confirm that "Tommy's Holiday Camp", credited to Moon, was actually composed by Townshend? Skyraider 22:58, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- In an early song list, this song preceded "Welcome." Pete: "As we were leaving IBC Studios one day, I said to Keith and John as they were walking down the stairs, 'I've really got to do something with this whole business of the establishment, the church, or what turns out to be the church at the end of the story. I've got to work out something to give it life, to make it real, to make it palatable, but not something churchy, which would make the whole tone of the album pretentious.' Keith said, 'Well I've been thinking that it would be a good idea to set the whole thing in a Holiday Camp.' I said, 'What a great idea,' and Keith said, 'Well O.K. I'll write that tonight.' I thought, 'God Almighty, if Keith goes off and gets into writing songs about Holiday Camps, I don't know how they'll fit in.' So I said to him, 'Don't worry Keith, I've already written it.' Keith got the credit for it because it was his idea, and also I felt, it turned out just as he himself would have written it." ~~ Shiri 23:10, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
About track 6
- see this here (http://www.thewho.net/discography/songs/EyesighttotheBlind.html). I'll put it on the article. Ben (talk) 01:29, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Tommy (film)
Bah, I just discovered this. Perhaps some of the information needs to be transplanted there? ~~Shiri — Talk~~ 02:21, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)