Talk:Stan Lee

Is there any truth to the rumor that Stan Lee is the dad of actor Jason Lee? jengod 18:24, May 17, 2004 (UTC)

I doubt it. I don't recall any mention of Jason Lee when I read Stan Lee's biography and autobiography. For what it's worth, Stan was born Stanley Lieber. Gamaliel 21:08, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Category: comics writer should really be Category: Comic book writers, and if you're going to put in a new +cat, you should create it. khaosworks 15:12, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

How can there be a encyclopedia page about Stan Lee without mentioning that he really wasn't the driving force behind Marvel but capitalized on his status as Editor, which he got because his uncle owned the company?

• Easy: we stick to the verifiable facts, and leave the opinions and speculation out of it. The article mentions his relationship to Goodman, for example; it's up to the reader to conclude whether that's the reason he got the job. It also mentions that there is disagreement about how much of Marvel's success was due to Lee vs. other creators. Tverbeek 21:29, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The page mentions Striperella, but not the lawsuit against Lee Regarding the creation of Striperella. It doesn't mention the facts that artists such as Ditko and Kirby dispute his claims of sole creation of these characters either. This is smelling like a whitewash to me. History has to record ALL the facts, including ones that makes the people you see as heroes look like villians. unsigned comment from 66.190.70.147

• If we have made omissions in this article, please feel free to add information. I doubt anyone here is interested in a whitewash. All articles here are a work in progess and it's most likely something that no one has gotten around to adding yet. Also, you can sign your comments with four tildes (~). Gamaliel 01:52, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Don't assume that Lee is my (or anyone else's) hero, just because we don't describe him here as a villain. As a matter of fact, the article does mention the disputes regarding Kirby and Ditko's role in creating those characters. (See the paragraph that begins, "Because of this system...") It's pretty brief, probably because the more you say, the more opportunity there is to say something that violates neutrality. Instead it simply reports what "some observers argue". Maybe more detail is needed. If there are facts missing, then please add them; that's how a wiki works. Just keep in mind that Wikipedia is supposed to be written from a neutral point of view, so anything that smells like a witchhunt (like some of your judgmental edits to Spider-Man) is going to get edited to tone it down, just the same as anything that smells like a whitewash should be. (P.S. It helps if you register before making edits, so people can see that you're here as a positive contributor and not just an anonymous troublemaker.) Tverbeek 02:24, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• This is too off-topic to put in the article, of course, but I think it should be noted that Stan Lee is an ardent Democrat. Most of his comics contain progressive morals, and he has given large amounts of money to the DNC ($15K in 2000). I owe my early conversion to liberalism to Stan Lee and Chris Claremont. --Grepowell 05:13, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Silver Surfer not created by Stan Lee?

I dispute that the Silver Surfer wasnt co-created by Stan Lee. I remember him having dialogue in issue #48 of 'The Fantastic Four' his first appearence, so would have to of been scripted by Stan Lee. Additionally he is officially credited to this day as the Co-Creator with Kirby. Additionally his whole history, where he come from and who he is as a character I suspect would of come from Stans Lees writing. But if what you say is true (which it could be), The Silver Surfer page will require some changes too. - The guy who made the change (sorry forgot I wasnt logged in) --UnlimitedAccess

"Many are familiar with the often-repeated story of how Lee was presented with the penciled pages to FF #48, only to be surprised by the new character in the story." I googled this up quickly from http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/23notes.html. Not sure of the source of the story (Origins of Marvel Comics?), but it's a very common and famous one. Gamaliel 00:07, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

It troubles me that still to this day that the character is officially credited by Marvel as a Lee/Kirby creation, I think its worth noting. Okay, then how about this. "Lee is credited for officially creating the Incredible Hulk, the Silver Surfer, Iron Man, the Mighty Thor and the X-Men with Kirby; Daredevil with Bill Everett; and Doctor Strange and Marvel's most successful character, Spider-Man with Steve Ditko." The Silver Surfer page goes into sufficient detail about this anyway. But the Silver Surfer page could have one alteration, where it says at the top "Created by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee" could read something like "Officially created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby". I know its a bit semantical, but as an encylodpedia it's worth including. What do you think? UnlimitedAccess

Perhaps we should just leave SS off that list entirely and just deal with the indepth discussion for the Silver Surfer Article. To say he's "credited officially" with creating all those characters may lead the reader to suspect that he played a role in none of them, while in reality SS is probably the only one where he played no role at all. (And if you really want to get into it, you could say SL is a creator since he fleshed out the character and adopted SS as a pet project.) Gamaliel 17:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, I just felt that if someone is researching Stan Lee the article should at least point to this dispute of SL/JK creating Silver Surfer, particarly because of the "official" status that still stands and because of the final point you made in your last post. -UnlimitedAccess

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This whole debacule with people saying “OH STAN SHOULDN’T GET A CO/CREATOR CREDIT” is very upsetting to me. Let us take the case of Silver Surfer then, If Lee was infact caught completely off guard by the apprence of the character, he would still have a hand in its creation, as he wrote the diologe and one can easily say that the diologe of a character is its personaility in a comic serireis, BUT you maintaim that because Kerby desinged the look should recive full credit. While Lee activly worked with Marvel he had his hands in almost everything that was going on, so therefore one could say he was co-creator of just about everything marvel put out during those years. I belive that Lee should be credited as co-creator, but if it is that important to some out there, perhaps his name should come first, as the Last name in a Co-creator credit is usually the more noticed -----Iorek Brynson

Your right, his look is only 50% of his character, but your forgetting Jack Kirby in SS first apperance wrote and scripted his dialogue as well, thus giving him his personality. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby after then both worked on SS for the next several years giving flesh to the character, and because of that Stan Lee is officially credited as a co-creator. But technically, SS was exclusively created by Kirby. I still stand by initial statement though, that it is worth including on this page of his involvement with the character. - UnlimitedAccess 04:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)