Talk:Serial Experiments Lain
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This page needs to be edited badly--
Todo:
- In general, this should be a larger page :)
- Add information about the playstation game and directly relavant manga.
Ta-done:
- There's a bit of editorializing about Lain in Anime. I don't know what it means, but it should be moved to Lain and expanded.
- Humble Opinions (IMHO) should be removed and replaced with an objective analysis.
What makes you think Alice's name is a reference to Alice in Wonderland
Regarding the Alice in Wonderland issue:
http://www.google.com/search?q=serial+lain+alice+wonderland
It's probably a good idea to drop the opinionated statements about sub vs. dub debate, as this really isn't a good place to place a debate (This is Wikipedia after all, and probably should be fairly objective...)
Pipian 17:54 20 May 2003 (UTC)
Dropping the sub-dub debate NOW. This isn't a message board, it's a wikipedia, besides, you know which is better.
Will attempt to summarize, but lain's head is such a vast place... ;-) --Gamera2 05:05, 25 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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Bootleg Bootleg confustion
I seem to have confused the bootleg of the offical CD Bootleg with the actuall CD bootleg. Whoopsie daisy.
Still, I'd rather leave the refrence to the bootleg on the page, since many other pages (http://www.google.com/search?q=bootleg&btnG=Google+Search&domains=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org&sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org&ie=iso-8859-1&oe=iso-8859-1) pages also make refrences to bootleg copies. Futhermore,I would appriciate it if you'd add the slightly rare (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005FXU7/ref=sr_aps_pm_/249-4993231-1003516) copy of the offical track, which happens to be titled Bootleg, to avoid any further confusion.
Gamera2 21:37, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Interesting. I wasn't aware there was a third OST (I own the other two). I just saw "Bootleg" and "Son May" and just assumed the worst. :) Wikipedia teaches me something new every day.
- Anyways, I'd write something about it but, seeing as how I just heard about it, maybe you could add something about the soundtrack? I don't even know what's on it.
- RadicalBender 21:45, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Okay, I made an error and reported the bootleg of bootleg as the officall bootleg, but I think the offical bootleg is the one described as 2 discs, one with data. I'll clean that up once I get un-lazy and more information if someone else doesn't do it first. Basically, switch the info. --Gamera2 21:55, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The Nightmare of Fabrication
Er... what's wrong with a link to the manga? It's mentioned in the article. --Eequor 05:10, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- That's exactly the reason. There is no need to fill up the article with redundant links. First, there were two links to the same page in the External Links section (which is uncalled for, since one can have access to all the content of the site with a link to its main page only, so there's no need). Now you added another link to the same place, now in the body of the article. That link can already be found on the External Links section, since you edited it again.
- I don't think there's a reason for so many references to the same site. It's not like people won't see the manga part. A single link in the end of the article should suffice. &ndash Mackeriv 13:23, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- But this allows readers to find the manga easily, without digging around in Google or the fansite. The first link is unobtrusive and provides access to the manga at the point in the article where it is mentioned: this is for persons who may want see the manga without reading the entire article. The second link makes it clear that a copy of the manga can be found, especially for persons who don't read the whole article, or who might not have noticed it when it was mentioned in the art books section (I know I missed it the first time). Not everybody is interested in fansites; they should have a quick alternative to a link they would otherwise be uninterested in. Similarly, not everyone will be interested in the manga -- but the fansite has insightful commentary and may be of interest to them.
- I'd like to raise a different objection about the manga link. I'd rather not have links to scanlations or bootlegs as they are technically copyright violations (not that Wikipedia is doing the copyright violation, but I try to avoid any hint of impropriety if possible). RADICALBENDER★ 15:48, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- It's relatively easy to find from Google. Why make extra work for readers by pretending it doesn't exist? --Eequor 16:03, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- Why make extra work for readers? You just answered your own question: it's relatively easy to find from Google. There's no need for us to link to it. You can get all sorts of things of questionable legality from Google. Doesn't mean we should be linking to it. RADICALBENDER★ 17:12, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- My point is, without some mention in the article, the reader may not even know that it can be found from Google. Additionally, the book this vignette appears in is rare and, I suspect, out of print; it would be difficult for people to find this manga offline. The Nightmare of Fabrication is only a small part of Omnipresence In The Wired; giving easy access to a sample of the artwork is likely to create interest in the rest of the book -- which is not available online. This is ultimately beneficial. --Eequor 19:05, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- It may be informative to look into exactly how this portion of Omnipresence In The Wired came to be online, and why it is the only part of the book that is online. --Eequor 19:10, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- thought experiments lain (http://www.cjas.org/~leng/lain.htm) contains a number of interviews, including a few between the owner of the site and the creators of Lain. The manga can be found on this site; it seems likely that the creators are aware of this.
- Anyway, as I understand it, fan translations are generally considered permissible in the absence of any intentions by the publisher to produce an official translation. --Eequor 19:46, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
- What I was saying is that I do not think there's a reason to put THREE links to the same place. When I checked the links in the External Links section, I had the clear feeling of hitting the very same page twice. Tell me, how many situations of this kind have you seen on Wikipedia? It's just uncommon. If you think the link for that manga is so important, I say the best thing to be done is to put it in the end, and ONLY it. There's no need to put two links to the same manga page (doesn't matter where they are located within the article), and you also don't need to add a link to the main page as well, because all the pages in that site are very well visible. It's just the same site.
- I always say, the beauty of Wikipedia is its versatility. It's great that we can find so many links to other pages while browsing trough articles. Still, the versatility becomes a problem if it's overdone. More content is not always the best choice. Less even if it's redundant. I know you had the best of intentions, but that's something to think about.
- While on the "copyrights" subject, I don't really think that's an issue. You see links to sites that supposedly violate copyrights here on Wikipedia all the time. In my opinion, that's completely harmless.
- The things I've said here are just my opinions. I'm not gonna edit that article and remove those links, if anyone's wondering. It's just my point of view on the subject, which yes, is not worth a cent. =P
- Mackeriv 21:26, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
Fansites
I'll admit, the links are rather weighted in favor of one fansite. Other sites should probably be linked, if more that have good auxiliary information can be found. --Eequor 15:44, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
People not used to the series might take a little while to understand what that image is about, but I like it anyways. I added a little caption, so that should be good, too. – Mackeriv 17:59, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Mini-Series or Not
Ok, I am a bit confused. What defines this a series as appose to a mini-series? I mean is there a specific length that it should be. I thought a Mini-Series was a show that intentionally written to be under 20 episodes, as appose to the "Lets see how long we can run it for" series. Thapthim 20:14, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Well, the thing is, this term is usually not used with anime. I personally have never heard it related to Japanese animation. Maybe that's because short series like Lain are common. A series of thirteen episodes constitute a single season, and many ones are like that. I don't know if Lain should be seen as a "mini-series". – Mackeriv 06:53, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Yeah,your right, since the Japanese (To my knowledge) do not call it a mini-series (ie no special names for animated series below a certain episode count), it would be wrong to call it a mini-series. Thapthim 06:34, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)
"Present day, Present time"
This is somewhat of a nitpick, but i always thought the "Present day, Present time, hahahahaha" part of the episode intros was not supposed to imply the series was set in the present, but was a mocking of the concept of linear, uniform time. It's up to interpretation, but i've always thought Lain was set in the near future, since it displayed a level of technological penetration that wasn't present in Japan when Lain was first broadcast (1997). Recall the presence of an overarching traffic planning network in the series, which i don't be; also, the hand-held devices may be similar to ones that are widespread currently, but were not back in 1997. -Pyrop 04:54, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
- I admit that quote is not a very good indication of time. However, I see no point of claiming the story is set in the future. If there's no reliable indication of time, that should stay out of the article. – Kaonashi 12:03, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)