Talk:Nu metal
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judgement night, LOAD & RELOAD
"The idea of matching up rappers with rockers is not entirely new," writes Rolling Stone. "Run-D.M.C. and Aerosmith did it in 1986 with `Walk This Way,' and Public Enemy joined up with Anthrax in 1991 for a version of `Bring The Noise.' But somehow the concept of musical miscegenation between the two most urgent forms of youth culture music has remained a largely unexploited source of creative exchange."
http://mantle.geop.itu.edu.tr/~onur/hiphop/judgment.html
LOAD and RELOAD represented a significant musical change for Metallica. The band's breakneck metal tempos and layered guitar compositions had largely been replaced by bluesy rock songs, full of bent notes, warm guitar tone, slide guitar, and shuffle and swing rhythms.
Metallica also reinvented their visual image with LOAD and RELOAD: the CD booklet for Load contained many controversial photographs of the band, taken by Anton Corbijn. The band members - who had recently cut their hair - were depicted wearing pimp suits, smoking cigars, and sipping brandy, sometimes wearing heavy makeup..
nevermind the napster thing which made them look like they were REALLY out of touch with new metallers.
these are things that should be considered adding to the article!!!!
Where is the ORIGINAL rap+metal?
Where the f**k is the reference to Mike Patton and Faith No More???? These guys really started the whole Rap+Metal thing back in the late 1980s. ok i'm blind. However I see no reference to Anthrax arguably the first rap meets metal tune was done by them. Alkivar 04:21, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It should be noted that nu metal isn't merely the adding of rap to metal, but a range of instrumentation changes as well MrHate 03:34, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
Isn't Zeromancer industrial? -- Dysfunktion
Are 28 Days really a "notable nu metal band"? -- Sam
Somebody who knows more than me about Ministry, Fear Factory, and other industrial bands should edit this to include the connections between industrial and nu-metal, which have so far not been mentioned at all. leigh 05:45, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)
Is this a joke?
Who the hell wrote this ridiculous article? Numetal isn't metal, it's hard rock with a commercially profitable name. This person should turn off the radio, turn off MTV, grow back some brain cells they've lost, and put a career of journalism out of their mind. Holy ****, I 've never laughed this hard at anything in my life.
- Lots of people contributed to the article. I haven't got a clue what is nu metal and what is auld metal myself so can't tell if you are right or they are.
But if you are confident you know what your talking about then please feel free to edit and improve the article yourself. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 16:37, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Nu-"metal" is not metal.. In fact nobody should write it the way you wrote it in the article because nu and metal are words that cannot be connected. Metal is a reaction agaisnt commercializing music while nu is exactly the opposite. People who listen to that music are not metallers. Metallers have true personalities. People who listen to nu-shit are just posers who want to show off from the music they hear. That's pathetic and so not-metal..
There is so much wrong with this article. I tried fixing it, but the changes I made just got reverted again. If I try again will the same thing happen? Vim Fuego
- I can't tell who reverted your edits from the article history, but I imagine it was because of NPOV, a policy that we maintain very strictly at Wikipedia. The opinion that nu metal is not a form of heavy metal and that nu metal guitarists are less skilled than other guitarists needs to be backed up by those who believe it. Tuf-Kat 05:04, May 7, 2004 (UTC)
Tool
I've removed Tool (band) because though they may have influenced nu-metal (this is mentioned at the top of the page), they really aren't nu-metal themselves. I've heard "alternative," "hard rock," "prog rock," and "psychedelic" thrown together in the attempt, though.
- I second that. I've heard "art rock/metal" and "math rock/metal" as well. In any case, nu metal is definitely not an appropriate genre. [[User:Limeheadnyc|]] 19:11, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Evanescence
Is Evanescence really numetal? It sounds to me more like Rock or even Pop/Rock
Well, some people have criticized Evanescence for being "Linkin Park with a female singer" so I guess that's where the idea came from.
- Evanescence had a definate nu metal hit with "Bring Me Back To Life" but their resulting material is indeed more comparable to pop rock. On an interesting note, I once read an interview with the vocalist who said that her record company forced them to use a guest vocalist and rapper in that first single, and it was intentionally done to sound like Linkin Park. MrHate 03:34, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
NPOV meter going off the richter scale
This article is littered with obvious NPOV comments, most sided towards claims that Nu Metal is inheritantly unoriginal and commercialized. If someone better with NPOVizing skills than I would please correct this, it'd be great.--MardukZero 04:51, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Considering some of the comments above yours on this page, you can see the kind of sentiment that we have to deal with here. I agree that the article needs a lot of work (I'd swear it wasn't this bad last time I looked at it... you can't turn your back for a second!), but the POV problems seem to be all over the board. Sigh. It's a controversial subject, like abortion, only the debate seems to be populated largely by angry teenagers... Ah well. Onto my to-do list it goes.-leigh (φθόγγος) 09:24, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
If there's not a good reason to keep it...
...I will be removing System of a Down, as it is not nu metal (to be more NPOV about it, people do not generally agree that it is nu metal (see the SOAD page), and it really doesn't fit the definition of nu metal given on this page). --gb 09:22, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
- SOAD is actually one of the bands I would classify as essentially nu-metal. Guitars: extremely low-tuned, syncopated, and oriented more toward rhythm than pitch, combined with lots of "special effects" like harmonics and scratching. Drums: incredibly syncopated (influenced by hip-hop and eastern music), rarely playing a straightforward pattern for more than a second at a time. Vocals: combination of "clean" singing and frenzied emotional shrieking. Lyrically they are anomalous - the lyrics are often political or psychedelic rather than teenage angst - but aside from that, SOAD are textbook examples of nu-metal. Perhaps the most intelligent and sophisticated band in the genre, but part of the family all the same. -leigh (φθόγγος) 10:20, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
- Have to disagree with you there. I personally don't hear much syncopation in their music. I can think of some examples where it is syncopated but not overly. The rest of the characteristics you mentioned are typical of most (if not all) heavy metal bands... especially the downtuned guitars. Most bands these days downtune, metal or not :P Text book nu metal: Korn, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot. MrHate 10:28, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
- SOAD is actually one of the bands I would classify as essentially nu-metal. Guitars: extremely low-tuned, syncopated, and oriented more toward rhythm than pitch, combined with lots of "special effects" like harmonics and scratching. Drums: incredibly syncopated (influenced by hip-hop and eastern music), rarely playing a straightforward pattern for more than a second at a time. Vocals: combination of "clean" singing and frenzied emotional shrieking. Lyrically they are anomalous - the lyrics are often political or psychedelic rather than teenage angst - but aside from that, SOAD are textbook examples of nu-metal. Perhaps the most intelligent and sophisticated band in the genre, but part of the family all the same. -leigh (φθόγγος) 10:20, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)
Excuse me,...
Excuse me, but why this article's authors are absolutely convinced that Red Hot Chili Peppers have not to be considered nu metal inspirators? (unsigned)
- Because they're not. [[User:Limeheadnyc|]] 02:07, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It's possible that they are inspirators, but since no nu metal bands (that I know of) have cited them as influences, it should be left off perhaps. MrHate 03:34, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
Nu Metal is a joke and not a sub Category of Heavy Metal
This name is given as a joke to poser bands preteending to be Heavy Metal. People don't refer to themselves as Nu Metal.
- Of course they don't, it's intended as an insult. Unfortunately, nu metal is the name that stuck with these bands, and that's what they'll be called, even in Wikipedia MrHate 00:27, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
Still not a sub-category though.
Take this page off of the heavy metal music list!!!!!
nu-metal is not heavy metal it is rap with some distorted instruments
- Obviously, you've never listened to nu metal -- Dysfunktion 23:34, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Latest changes by me
I've tried to improve the article's tone some. If there are substantial disagreements with my conception of nu metal, I'd welcome them. I'd like to see this article become more than just a flame war. -leigh (φθόγγος) 11:27, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)