Talk:Mr. Spock

Where exactly in the tenth film did it say that Spock's mission was a failure, and where is it said that Spock is now dead?

172.209.224.1 01:21, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It doesn't say explicitly that it was a failure but since Vulcans and Romulans aren't reunited in the tenth movie, it seems that he didn't succeed in bringing them closer. BTW the article says "Zar returns to the past at the end of the novel, but also reveals he is sterile" -- exactly where is this sentence in the novel Time For Yesterday? I read it but I don't remember Zar being sterile. Alensha 21:42, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I read the novel about 10-15 years ago and there was a conversation, somewhere in there, where Zar asks McCoy to sterilize him and McCoy says that he would. Either the author or the editors put that in the book to close the loop as to whether or not Spcok could have grandchildren. P.S.- I dont think Spock is dead either. Indeed, in Star Trek Nemesis the cooperation seen at the end of the film, i.e. when the Romulan military turns on Shinzon, would indicate that there is something still going on with reunification efforts. Husnock 1 Nov 2004

I found that part in the book. McCoy says Zar is able to have healthy children so there's no need to sterilize him but he will do it if Zar really wants it. I always thought Zar changed his mind after McCoy reassured him, but now I'm not sure. I don't think Spock is dead (at least, I hope he is still living :-) Alensha 18:50, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

First or last name?

I haven't seen "This Side of Paradise" in a long time, in which we first learn that Vulcans have two names. Question: has it been established that Spock is his FIRST or his SECOND name? I've been going under the impression it's his first name, but the introduction to this article says otherwise. 23skidoo 01:21, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"Spock" is apparently his surname.

I don't think so, since we have seen him referred to as "Spock, son of Sarek", etc. I believe it is his first name, unless canon supports that every Vulcan has a different family name. 23skidoo 17:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Anon User Christian Statements

There is an anon user who keeps adding that Spock has a "Christian" name. The user has made this addition at least five times over the past 2-3 days. I have attempted leaving messages on this persons talk page but to no avail. The person is logging under several different IP addresses, as well, probably because of a rotating server.

In any event, I think we'll all agree that saying things like Vulcans are Christians and that Spock is a Christian and has a Christian name is not based on any evidence in Star Trek. I will continue to revert this person's comments in line with the policy of No original research. I hate to be mean to a newbie, but if it continues it might become a vandalism issue. -Husnock 05:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Be careful not to violate the three revert rule. You might need to consult an admin on this since the anon seems to be pretty insistent about it. 23skidoo 18:02, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Good point. The guy hasnt been on in a few days. If he does come back, it might become a vandalism issue if we all agree that saying Vulcans are Christians is patent nonsense and can be reverted without discussion. -Husnock 18:05, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I think there may be a misunderstanding here. In many parts of the world "Christian name" simply means a first name; it doesn't imply anything about religion. So all the poster probably means is that Spock has a first name. In fact I seem to remember a sequence from one of the TOS episodes where some woman falls in love with Spock, something like this:

Woman: Do you have a Christian name? Leila Kolomi: You never told me if you had another name, Mr. Spock.

Spock: You would never be able to pronounce it. Spock: You couldn't pronounce it.

Since I think "Christian name" was more likely to be used as a synonym for "first name" in the US in the sixties, it may have gone exactly like that. DJ Clayworth 18:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Fair comment, although if you check some of the Edit summaries there does appear to be an intent on the part of the anon to suggest that Vulcans might be Christians. Are you sure this dialogue appears in the episode? I know there is an exchange, but I don't recall Spock being specifically asked for his "Christian" name ... only his "other" name. Anyone got the DVD handy? 23skidoo 18:15, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Possibly the anon user is doing the misunderstanding. I suggest we put the info back in a form that can't be misinterpreted. I'm pretty certain that, whatever the phraseology, nothing more religious than "first name" was implied.

Finally found a reference: according to this interview (http://ponilla.org/Nimoy/Interviews_LK2.htm) with Leonard Nimoy Spock had a first name which could not be pronounced. "The only reference to his first name I recall is an episode which includes a beautiful love scene. In the end she said: 'You never told me your first name' and I said: 'You wouldn't be able to pronounce it'. " DJ Clayworth 18:27, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

In light of the corrected quote (see above), it's pretty clear that the episode doesn't specify whether the "unpronouncable" name is his first or last name. 23skidoo 13:37, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Yesteryear references

I mentioned this on Kchishol1970's talk page as well, but I'll put the question out. Is there any source that says for certain that Yesteryear is considered canon? My understanding is there are no exceptions, and that the Encyclopedia and Chronology are not considered authoritative on this matter. 23skidoo 17:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)