Talk:Michael Jordan
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super good friend
168.99.197.188, would you please explain the source and relevance of your recent addition to Michael Jordan ("He also enjoys playing basketball with his good friend, Will Smith and his super good friend, Aaron Klingensmith. In fact, Jordan often admits Klingensmith rivals him on the court. None the less, the two remain fantastic friends to this day.") If you cannot, I'd suggest removing this. Bbpen 21:11, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
At least mention him as a pop culture figure not just a basketball player
Michael Jordan is not only a worldwide popular and skilled basketball player. He has a huge influence on world popular/sports/corporate/ culture back in the 90's. How about his influence on American pop culture with the "Air Jordans" shoes back in the 80's/90's? It was mention on a previous Wikipedia Michael Jordan article historys but it was deleted by an anonymous person. I can understand getting rid of the Merchandise section but to get rid of "Air Jordans?" --DraQue Star
Jordan's Skills
Hmmm. We have several paragraphs on Jordan's skills as a merchandise salesman, but very little on what made his play distinctive. From what I can recall, the man had a virtually flawless offence, but I didn't see enough NBA basketball to give a good discription. --Robert Merkel 03:30 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The page mentions Jordan's final 202 batting average, but omits the fact that he sat on the bench during his last game in order to protect his above-200 average.
Jordan's "signature" moves
As far as I can tell, two things distinguished Michael Jordan from the rest:
Tough perimeter defense: He constantly harrassed the ballhandler at the top of the key and rarely got beat off the dribble. He was excellent at stealing the ball, and was a very good shot blocker for a guard.
The "fadeaway" jumpshot: Michael Jordan's favorite "move" was to dribble to about 20 feet from the basket, then suddenly elevate over the defender and shoot the ball. Not unlike what Kobe Bryant does for the Lakers, for example. Then again, a lot of those 20-footers went in, so you can't fault him for taking them.
a couple of arguments
Using the word "unstoppable" in reference to his play on both sides of the court is a poor choice. He may have been good but not unstoppable. Maybe I am looking into it too much but I am tired of the seemingly deification of this guy as a basketball player. The vast public consensus is that he is the best ever, which is highly debatable. Also, the reference to Hollinger's player ratings, they do not imply that Michael Jordan is the second best player ever because they only go as far back as the 1989-90 season. Much more dominating players like Wilt Chamberlain had seasons that would dwarf Jordan's accomplishments.
Jordan's Personality
How about a section on his personality? He was the very definition of competitiveness - so much so, in fact, that he often went over the edge. His dealings with teammates at practice; his gambling sessions; and his relationship with Phil Jackson are all deserving of mention.
Good point. A lot could be added here really: "The Jordan Rules", his gambling addiction, his relationship with his wife (if anyone can find anything they can cite!), his relationship with Phil Jackson, more on UNC and his youth, more on the Wizards, something about controversy over how the referees treated him. I think any additions would have to be done by an especially fair and objective writer who could portray known and relevant facts without creating a firestorm among fans or detractors. As is I think this article is currently very neglectful of the controversial and the negative, and if it's still this way when I'm more confident in my editing, I may take a crack at it. --Mister Tattle 09:17, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
LeBron James?
Anent the edit by 68.41.161.165: Is anyone seriously pointing to LeBron James as the best player ever? Not yet -- no matter how much potential James has, he's never played a single minute in an NBA playoff game. Bbpen 23:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
"greatness is considerably diminished" What?
Perhapse I am missing something but why is this paragraph in this article?
"This greatness is considerably diminished by the fact that Jordan received regular assistance by the referees on a nightly basis. This was never more apparent than in the final game of Jordan's career with the Chicago Bulls. With the clock winding down and the bulls trailing the Utah Jazz by one point, Michael Jordan drove to the hoop, pushed Bryon Russell off with his free hand, then stepped back and buried the game winning jump shot. The officials swallowed their whistles and allowed one of the greatest acts of debauchery to go unpunished. Ever since that time, basketball minds have not been able to reflect on Jordan's career without an appropriate asterisk."
And why is it not editable?
It strike me that it is an accepted part of the sport of basketball that durring the playoffs the refs let the players play, and it is also excepted that high profile vets get "more calls" then rookies and lower statue players. Never, be it on sports talk radio, or ESPN had some argue that Jordan's career was tarnished because he "pushed off" in the 1997 finals. They talk about his failed stint as owner of the Washington franchise yes, but not his abilty to draw and avoid fouls.