Talk:Mexican Revolution

This is a huge, huge topic which requires considerable work. I've been afraid to touch it until someone is willing to help... anyone up for it?

Properly I think this should cover a period vaguely beginning towards the end of the Diaz regime, extending to 1930 when the PRI came to power. Basically what I think it needs is:

1. Discussion of the Porfiriata
2. The various successions - Maderistas, Carrancistas, Obregonistas, etc.
3. The social revolution - Zapata and land reform, efforts at destruction of the hacienda/peonage system, the end of debt slavery
4. The United States response
5. The rise of the PRI
6. The place of the revolution in modern mexican culture?

Graft

The extent of the Revolution

_____Graft writes that he considers the Revolution ending in the 30's. I don't know that much about history, but my mother, Don~a Marie-Therese Padilla Santoscoy de Creighton, daughter of el licenciado Don Jorge Padilla, told me that in the 40's her father, she, and her sister Magda were still being persecuted. _____You see, my grandfather the attorney Jorge Padilla, according to my mother, was one of the founders of PAN(Partido de Accion Nacional). I don't know the extent of his contributions, but when I mentioned the name of my grandfather to a stranger in Chicago, in 1985, he was astounded, so it seemed, and pointed a finger repeatedly in my chest, saying"Do you realize who your grandfather was? Do you know?" _____My mother also told me that he, my grandfather (abuelo) had been a Cristero. This was an organization some of whose members took to the hills, so to speak, to hide and conduct a guerrilla against the PRI and government (one and the same, in a manner of speaking). ______Don Jorge Padilla had a house in Guadalajara, where my mother was born, in 1924. He was born, I think I remember, in 1894. Anyway, she said that once, the government sent the Army to close the church in La Barca where my grandfather and grandmother had their country home. My grandfather helped to organize the people so that they would fill the church with all their families, even the children. So many attended that the soldiers were compelled to back off. _______But apparently someone high in power hated my grandfather very much, for someone advised him that he was on a "death list." So was the Archbishop of Guadalajara. My grandfather and another man, I think an attorney, helped to smuggle the Archbishop out of Guadalajara, go by train to Los Angeles. Marie-Therese (she went by "Don~a Terri" or "Don`a Teresita" among her friends and acquaintances told me that this was the only time she knew that my grandfather had ever carried a gun, which I infer was some sort of pistol. ________My grandfather and his co-conspirator founded one of the first grocery stores in L.A. which carried Mexican foods, according to my mother. Because she had been arrested along with my aunt, Tia Magda, the two sisters soon joined him later in Los Angeles. ________You may wish to verify this by contacting Mr. Carlos Padilla who resides in a suburb of San Bernardino, or leaving a message for Mr. Pete Creighton at the Alumni Office of Knox College, in Galesburg, Illinois. My mother is still alive, and may welcome an opportunity to pass this piece of history to an historian or student of history, as she is still of sound mind, as of this posting. _________Incidentally, one of my great-uncles or uncles is still in touch with the President of Mexico, Mr. Fox, according to my mother, but I don't remember who it is. I'm fairly sure that some of us support Mr. Fox to this day.

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Per the translation request, I'm translating the Spanish version. Information in the English version not in the Spanish version will be merged in afterwards (original article is commented out at the end). Mgmei 05:39, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I've done the merge -- Jmabel 07:52, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

Rock on. Mgmei 17:42, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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I believe that Graft's suggestions above would still be a good guide to the desirable eventual scope of this article. -- Jmabel 07:55, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

List

More things to mention

1. Plan de San Luis de Potosí
2. Plan de Guadalupe
3. Plan de Ayala
4. Ejidos
5. Picture of Diego Rivera Mural (There's one related to the Mexican Rev, in mind. Can't find it)

Any more to add? Kimun 03:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The first two could easily be folded into the article. The Plan de Ayala obviously belongs in a (missing) section discussing the Zapatistas/Villistas, Magon brothers, etc. Maybe ejidos do as well. Are there any Diego Rivera paintings in the public domain? Probably a whole bunch of his would do... Graft 05:27, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

US Intervention

I'm inclined to say that a lot of the US stuff should be folded into the article, not broken off into its own section. Henry Lane Wilson, for example, should probably be discussed along with the overthrow of Madero. Does that sound like a good idea? Graft 18:23, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It probably should. No great problem integrating those 4 incidents into the chronological narrative (and the article's a bit sparse on events between Huerta and the Qro. constitutional convention anyway, which is where 2 of them would go). Are you volunteering? –Hajor 19:44, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)