Talk:Limerick

___ Isnt this a very narrow minded look at Limerick? Shouldn't we add something insightful about Limericks culture. Or how about its booming industrial aspects? If anyone wants to discuss it feel free to do so - 14:55, 31/1/04 Ludraman

Contents

1 Move request? 2 Celtic Tiger 3 Crime 4 Page move 5 Population 6 Eamon de Valera 7 Removal of The Arts 8 EU law on City Size?

Move request?

I'd like to move "Limerick, Ireland" to "Limerick City". Any objections?

Seabhcan 11:24, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Its a good idea, but all links should/would have to be moved as well to the new page, also it might be useful considering Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names)? Djegan 12:34, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that Link, didn't know about it. Seems to deal with US cities though, which are a special case as there are so many with identical names. Among the Irish city pages there seems to be no convention: 'Dublin', 'Galway', 'Cork (City)', 'Waterford City'... There are already redirect pages called 'Limerick City' and 'Limerick (City)'. I propose I move the text here to 'Limerick City' and make 'Limerick, Ireland' into a redirect.

'Limerick, Ireland' has 88 pages linked to it, 'Limerick (City)' has one and 'Limerick City' has 9. If I change the most important of the 88 to point to 'Limerick City', I'd say others will fix the remaining links over time. Seabhcan 13:02, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think this is probably a good opportunity to acheive consistency. Dublin and Galway are of course fine where they are. So, remaining is Limerick, Cork and Waterford. The first two are also terms in general use, requiring one of the following -

1. Cork (city) & Limerick (city)
2. Cork City & Limerick City
3. Cork, Ireland & Limerick, Ireland

I suggest no. 2 as the best option.

As regards Waterford - well, the term is used for Waterford City and County Waterford, but probably rather than finding a disambig at Waterford one should have either the County or the City, with a disambig message at top. I suggest giving the City prominance. See Kilkenny (technically a city). This should also be standardised for Irish town/cities with matching county names. I suggest that cities be given prominence over counties, but we give counties prominence over towns? So county names redirect to the county, not the town of that name.

In summary -

• I suggest no change for Dublin, Galway.
• Move Cork (city) to Cork City and Limerick, Ireland to Limerick City.
• Just checked, Waterford redirects to Waterford City which is sensible (it draws attention to the fact Waterford is somewhat ambiguous - though allows its most common usage).
• Kilkenny is good where it is, (moving to Kilkenny City would look odd, while Kilkenny Town is incorrect).
• Other county towns should be at for example Kildare Town, with Kildare being redirected to County Kildare rather than just presenting a disambig page. In this instance, the above example would need changed from its current situation (town page AT Kildare).

Whew, I may have overdone the explanation there a bit!

Zoney 16:40, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

You make a good arguement. I agree, lets do it. Seabhcan 17:06, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Celtic Tiger

I'd like to add some stuff on the darker side of Limerick: the high unemployment areas like Moyross, Southhill, etc. Can anyone help with this? Info on unemployment rates, violent crime, etc would be interesting. I'd like to show that the 'Tiger' didn't reach everyone. Also the regional hospital isn't exactly up to EU standards. Something on that would be good too.

Seabhcan 13:54, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Crime

There should be a crime section in this... Anybody have ideas how to go about it? Seabhcan 16:39, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I agree, the page reads too much like a tourist brochure

Page move

User:Seabhcan's move from Limerick, Ireland to Limerick City was cut-and-paste, not preserving the page history of the former. I've merged the two here at Limerick now, but unfortunately the talk page history is a bit garbled. I had to manually restore comments by User:Seabhcan from post-page move. The main article is fine I believe.

zoney ♣ talk 13:19, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Population

I've inserted a population figure in the text, including the suburbs -- Limerick's city council area represents an unusually small proportion of the overall urban area, with only 54,023. There are 29,124 in suburbs in Co Limerick and 3,851 in suburbs in Co Clare. This is from the 2002 census, vol 1 table 5. BrendanH 15:57, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)

Eamon de Valera

Eamon de Valera was born in New York and grew up in Bruff, County Limerick. His name should be removed because the article deals with Limerick City

You're right, Hanshans23, and you should correct it. The rule on Wikipedia is Be Bold in correcting mistakes and editing. But be sure to sign your comments! This is done by putting ~~~~. Also, You might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Irish Wikipedians' notice board. Good work on Jim Kemmy, by the way. Seabhcán 16:01, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nitpick: he grew up in Bruree, Co Limerick. BrendanH 10:28, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

Removal of The Arts

I disagree with the removal of this section:

Several city center pubs venues, such as Dolan's Warehouse, The Highstool, The Vintage Club and Riddlers host regular live music by local groups. An interesting variation on this is The White House (http://limerick.com/whitehousepoets/) with a "Poetry Night (http://www.poetryireland.ie/readings/otherreadings.asp)" on Wednesdays, featuring readings by both local and international poets.

I think it adds body and interest to the article. Although, "it's not a travel article", we do need current and cultural information. Seabhcán 16:05, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I removed it coz of a comment in the 'is this your first page?' guidelines thing along the lines of 'we don't want to hear about the price of coffee in yer favourite café on the Champe Elyssé'; just thought it veered a bit too close to that - hanshans

How about we include the poetry thing only? Its unusual. Seabhcán 22:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

EU law on City Size?

"According to EU Law A City must have at least 50,000 people."

Really? I never heard about this. And the 8,591 people of city of Kilkenny, the 44,594 people of Waterford city and the 30,000 people of Newry will be greatly shocked also. Can we have a source for this EU law please? Seabhcán 10:54, 20 May 2005 (UTC)