Talk:Liechtenstein

--- Please don't edit back in "lost their case", this is an extremly unscholarly idiom to use in the referendum circumstance. "Looking northbound" caption for the picture doesn't make sense. We don't really "look" anywhere "bound". I let the doubly-landlocked definition stay, but deleted several sentences about usbekistan and some other central asian landlock examples. It was too much of a digression.

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I thought we were still trying to hack out a general format for country articles over at talk:Netherlands? --maveric149

Yes, that's right. However, I find it hard to see any problems with that page, having edited it myself a number of times. What usually helps for me is editing a similar thing, which may help me to find some problems or additions for the template. So I chose this article to work on, and put in a temp subpage, such that others could see it as well (could have done it on my HD as well, agreed).--jheijmans

That's fine -- I also have found this to be rather useful with the elements articles. The template has evolved quite a bit since the original one and I am starting to feel very good about it. --maveric149

What does "double landlocked" mean? RickK 04:12, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

It means it is landlocked and it is also surrounded by landlocked countries (in this case Austria and Switzerland). Adam Bishop 04:14, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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I've shifted the contents of Military of Liechtenstein and Foreign relations of Liechtenstein onto this page, because they were just a waste of a click. The latter could potentially have a bit more, but in that case someone can always move it back to its own page later. - IMSoP 22:25, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Right to Vote

Question about the wording of the paragraph:

In a referendum on July 1, 1984, male voters granted women the right to vote in national (but not local) elections—a victory for Prince Hans Adam.

This is ambigious and could mean that the right to vote for woman was a victory for Prince Hans Adam or the fact that they didn't didn't get the right to vote at the local level was a victory for Prince Hans Adam.--enceladus 03:19, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

In a referendum on July 1, 1984, male voters granted women the right to vote in national elections—a victory for Prince Hans Adam's position. This right, however, does not extend to local elections.

Better? - Nunh-huh 03:22, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sounds better. I wasn't willing to change it as I wasn't sure which of the two it was.--enceladus 03:23, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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Liechtenstein did not become sovereign in 1806. The dissolution of the Empire is not the beginning of sovereignty. The renaming of the orginal unmittelbare estates of Schellenburg and Vaduz "Liechtenstein" is when a sovereign Liechtenstein comes into existence, and even before that the constituent parts were sovereign.

The empire was a Feudal polity comprised of hundreds of sovereignties. Carrying out feudal obligations constituted recognition of Suzeranity. Suzeranity and Sovereignty are not the same thing. Even before the abdication of the Emperor, the prince of liechtenstein had Landesherrlichheit and Landeshoheit "Lordliness on Land" and "Sovereinty on Land", thereby the geo-political entity Liechtenstein was sovereign.

You are mistaking the Empire for something it wasn't. It was basically a political corporation with Emperor as chairman/president. Not like ancient china and rome and egypt where the leader ruled considering himself a god.

"Double landlocked" is not a real word, even if it almost captures a concept we dont have a word for.

I think the history page might (or might not) do well to mention all the territory seized from the House of LIechtenstein in Czechoslovakia after world war one, and the fact that for decades, Liechtenstein citiens werent even allowed to enter that country. Also, the lawsuit by the current Prince concerning the tresures and land. I dont know, its up to you.

At least, it should be explained that the House of Liechtenstein bought Schellenburg and Vaduz ONLY to be admitted as a voting member of the Imperial diet - You couldnt have a vote if you didnt own "soverein" land. (thats why the family never stepped foot in the principality for like many decades after they bought it).

Tridesch

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Liechtenstein family - origins and Moravian land holdings

If the family, as stated, originated in Silesia, I am hardpressed to explain the existence of Schloss Liechtenstein by Vienna since the 11th or 12th century. Additionally, I am certain that the family maintained at least its possessions in southern Moravia (Lednice(Eisgrub and Valtice/Feldsberg) until 1945.

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The liechtenstein family did originate in Silesia and did also have possessions beyond it in Moravia and Austria and elsewhere wihin the empire too. I think its expansion was just very rapid. The article already agrees with you insofar as the 1945 thing.

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The Liechteinstein family originated in Lower Austria. Their original castle is said to be Burg Liechteinstein (http://www.burgliechtenstein.at/) in Maria Enzersdorf south of Vienna. Martg76 18:53, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)