Talk:Knuckleball
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The version of this page made by 163.1.247.84 was a copyright violation of an article in the New Yorker. [1] (http://www.google.com/search?q=The+actual+use+of+the+knuckles+in+pushing+the+ball+has+essentially+been+out+of+style+for+ninety+years.&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) I changed the language to remove the variation, but mainly through paraphrase. I would appreciate it if someone else would compare the versions and verify that the changes were sufficient. — Adam Conover † 18:07, May 16, 2004 (UTC)
Meeler -- I'll take your word for it regarding the seams of the knuckleball, but if you have more sources on how a knuckleball is thrown, why not add them anyway? The more information the better... — Adam Conover † 19:21, May 16, 2004 (UTC)
Jared Fernandez
Jared Fernandez is a knuckleballer and has been in and out of the majors for the last 4 years. Should he be mentioned as a knuckleballer that doesn't quite knuckle it? He has pitched for Houston and Cincinnati and is currently on the minor league triple A Houston Astros farm team the New Orleans Zephyrs. He is pitching poorly.
- What do you mean "Doesn't quite knuckle it"? As long as he is a real knuckleball pitcher (and doesn't simply have, say, a knuckle-curve (i.e., not a true knuckleball) in his arsenal, sure, include him. — Adam Conover † 02:40, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)
Someone changed the article to say that the finger grip is the only grip used to throw the knuckleball today, rather than the original knuckle grip. I don't believe this is correct. It's my understanding that Fernandez (just mentioned above) for one uses a knuckle grip. As far as I know, he throws a knuckleball in the modern sense, though I haven't added him to the article because I think trying to list every knuckleball pitcher is excessive for this context. --Michael Snow 18:31, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- To explain another revert, I removed a reference to Mike Mussina throwing the knuckle curve. That's true enough as far as it goes, but there's a separate article on the knuckle curve, Mussina is mentioned there, and general information about the pitch and its practitioners belongs at that article. No offense intended, but the information strays from the main topic of this article and is only faintly relevant here. The discussion here is of pitchers who probably threw a knuckle curve, but are often called knuckleballers in the literature. As far as I know, Mussina is not generally referred to this way, so mentioning him is gratuitous. --Michael Snow 02:13, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)