Talk:Jeep
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The designation of G.P. is not for 'General Purpose'. GP (W) - In 1941, G = "Government(regardless of year), P = 80" wheelbase Reconnaissance Car, and the W = apparently means Willys pattern". (ref http://www.mil-veh.org/archives/99-09/0764.html)
What Car company is IH? We could add link. Rmhermen 13:23 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hi Rmhermen, Answer: International Harvester - I assume this is/was an American car/truck/farm equipment maker..
I'm just starting to fumble my way around here; thanks for fixing my fixes in Toledo, Ohio!
Later, Chris
- Didn't know International Harvester ever made passenger vehicles. I just checked and International Harvester is a "was" In 1983 the tractor division merged with Case and the truck division became Navistar. Rmhermen
Do we need separate pages for jeep, the military vehicle and Jeep the line of civilian vehicles? Rmhermen 14:12 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Rmhermen, thank you for your excellent updates here and to the Willys page.
I would think that the military and civilian vehicles are common enough up until the late 1970s that a single page could cover them. Things split up after that what with the Army buying Blazers and the Jeep turning into the Wrangler, Cherokee, Eagle... and spawning the SUV era. I have always seen that as the end of the era. Blazers and hummvs have little in common with Jeeps beyond 4wd, the blazer in particular being built on a Chevvy pickup chassis.
My two cents. Kat 16:18 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Hi everybody,
Let me try to answer some questions taken above. 1. Jeep is a trademark - actually belongs to DaimlerChrysler. The name originates from G. P. i.e. General Purpose - the abreviation is a typical US military slang (such as G.I. Joe, for instance). 2. Although there are tendencies for the word to be genericized, this word is still protected by trademark laws of different countries. Accordingly, only DaimlerChrysler is entitled to use the mark Jeep. No other all-road 4-wheel-drive vehicles are "Jeeps", not even a Mitsubishi Pajero or a Chevrolet Blazer. 3. At the beginning, a call for a bid had been made by the US Army. The loser company - called American Bantam - used this abbreviation first when it offered his Army Reconaissance Truck to the Army. The winner of the bid was Willys. If anybody is interested in, I am ready to offer a detailed timeline, how the original Jeep trademark went from a company to another. (such as Willys-Overland, Kaiser, AMC, Renault and Chrysler).
Hi everybody Millisits
This page really needs to conform to other automobile pages. Jeep is a brand of car, not a generic term. There needs to be a place to chronicle the military jeep, but there also needs to be a different place for the marque. I propose using "Jeep" for the car brand (since that's the trademark) and "Army jeep" for the military vehicles. Thoughts? --Sfoskett 18:15, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi, Sfoskett, Thanks for your sympathy to my lines. I think, however, that this is a case of temporary'genericization of trademarks, so, this is not a disambiguation case. Since "Jeep" and the proposed "Army Jeep" belong to the same story, I think only one (the existing) entry would do. (Let me tell you a similar case. In Hungary (my homeland)in my youth there was a shortage in razor blades (see: 1984 of George Orwell). No original Gillette blades were available and people used the word "zsilett" ("Gillette" pronounced in Hungarian) as a sinonym of all kinds of razor blades. For young generation, it is a clearcut case: Gillette blades etc are being marketed in the country and everybody knows that Gillette is a brand.)
OK, so how about we move the military stuff to a section and make the page primarily about the modern car brand? We can disambiguate right on the page and provide links to other historical models if needed. But the page has got to link to the Cherokee, Liberty, Wrangler, etc as well. I'll do it this week. --SFoskett 16:11, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
- OK, what do you think? Clear? --SFoskett 18:37, Aug 12, 2004 (UTC)
The Marque
- 1st sentence: "...and the distinctive 7-bar front grill design"
- 2nd sentence: "the distinctive Jeep grille"
Which spelling is correct? Thryduulf 18:05, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Grille is the thing on the front of a vehicle. A grill is something you cook on. --SFoskett 19:09, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC)
First SUV
Can Cherokee really be called "the original SUV", with the Range Rover being introduced four years earlier? Mind, the RR didn't get introduced into the North American market, where the SUV term originated, until years later. Harald Hansen 07:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)